You just need to wait patiently. Folks like Provantage etc will occasionally offer really good deals on Netgear. And Dedicated does awesome deals on refurb Brocades. It's just a matter of waiting and watchingI must be in the wrong corner of the world. These things cost 20k here new, 15k refurbished. If I look across the world on ebay, I can find some for 3k, but "just for spares", i.e. not working, from UAE. Working ones on ebay appear to be around 8k.