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Introduction to the HP Elite t655 Thin client - a cheap "lower power" AMD NUC from the suits at HP

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Introduction to the HP Elite t655 Thin client - your cheap little AMD NUC alternative - Might be a good toy to play with once the pricing starts to drop...

Welcome to the short and succint guide to the HP Elite 655 thin client

(And yes, this is just a rewrite of the t640 guide...and no, I don't have a t655...yet)

So why should you care (as a home labber)?


It's a small-ish thin client, roughly 196mm W x 196mm H x 35 mm D , ~1.35 Liters, released Q3 2022, general availability in Q2 2023.

The HP t-series thin clients are like the quarter-waters of the AMD mini-NUC world. Not nearly as high end as the Chinese AMD NUC-clones like the...
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Unlike the review posted here, I have actually got a couple of new T655s cheap because they had suffered slight case damage, and I examined and benchmarked them. It was a disappointment.

What you get quite a lot faster processor than a T640, faster RAM at DDR4-3200 and faster graphics. But HP has cripped the SSD. It has reduced it from the gen3x4 in the T640 to gen3x2 in the T655. That halves the hard drive access speed. So its still faster than a SATA SSD, but not by much.

The SoC does not impose this limitation. It has a full gen3x4 interface. HP has chosen to only implement two lanes to the M.2 socket.

Manufacturers of IT equipment should be designing them so that instead of getting thrown out as ewaste hobbyists or others want to buy them and repurpose them. Instead HP has chosen to make this product less attractive.
 
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Oh, and while I'm at it.

The way to get Windows 10 or 11 running on T655s is the same one as for T640s and T740s. (The T740 is a bigger T640, with a faster processor, NVMe and SATA M.2 sockets, DDR4-3200 RAM, and a PCIe expansion slot. But unlike either the T640 or T655 it has a fan, so its not silent.)

DO NOT USE THE WINDOWS DRIVERS HP PROVIDES ON ITS THIN CLIENT WEB SITE.

They are sabotaged to only install on the version of Windows HP provides for use as a thin client. They look like they've installed on generic Windows, but they haven't.

What you need are the drivers for the SoC on the AMD drivers web site. Either the R1505G for T640s, V1768B for the T740s, or the R2314 for T655s. Download them. Install Windows 10 or 11. Then install the chipset driver, reboot, then install the video driver. That reboot is necessary for the video driver to work.
 
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Unlike the review posted here, I have actually got a couple of new T655s cheap because they had suffered slight case damage, and I examined and benchmarked them. It was a disappointment.

What you get quite a lot faster processor than a T640, faster RAM at DDR4-3200 and faster graphics. But HP has cripped the SSD. It has reduced it from the gen3x4 in the T640 to gen3x2 in the T655. That halves the hard drive access speed. So its still faster than a SATA SSD, but not by much.

The SoC does not impose this limitation. It has a full gen3x4 interface. HP has chosen to only implement two lanes to the M.2 socket.

Manufacturers of IT equipment should be designing them so that instead of getting thrown out as ewaste hobbyists or others want to buy them and repurpose them. Instead HP has chosen to make this product less attractive.
First of all - this is not a review of one, it’s really a resource summarizing what’s the benefits and drawbacks of having one.

I did specifically mention on the resource that I do not have a t655, and on a non-related discussion mentioned that I don’t think they are a good value, whether at retail pricing for one at the time I wrote it back in Q1 2024, especially if you already have a t640, or more recently in Q3 2025. I still don’t think they are a good value now at Q4 2025 at secondary market pricing (eBay asks at least 150 for one) while both t640s and t740s can be had for between 50-100, or a t540 at ~35.

Why do I think the t655 is not a good value at 150? It’s just a t640 but with 4 cores (instead of 2). Going from 14nm to 12nm (which makes it a Picasso/Raven2 APU instead of a Raven Ridge/ Raven1) might net you a slight performance increase per core (maybe 5-8%?) but the real gain is from the 2 extra cores, 3 extra GPU Compute Units and thermal headroom to clock them higher - but even then it's maybe about 50% faster (not 100% faster). The R2314 is a long availability Ryzen 3 3350U notebook APU, and it is housed in a passively cooled enclosure. It also doesn’t do DDR4 at 3200MT...It’s capped at 2666, so at the most you are looking at is (maybe) 10% more memory bandwidth.

If I want a quad core Raven2 (and that's a very big "if" - it's Zen1 based and I would prefer at least Zen2 or Zen3), I would've gunned for a ThinkCentre 715q Gen 2 with a Ryzen 3 2300GE. Roughly the same horsepower and available at 80-100 - for 150 there are off-lease Lenovo m75q-1 with Renoir/Cezanne APUs that will provide better value for the money - in fact, someone is selling them barebones for about 60 or BO at the end of 2025. If you want something around the same price point I would've gone with one of those 80 dollar Seneca Element Tiger Lake i3s - weaker CPU but newer iGPU, and housed in a metal chassis for better thermal management. Those have 8/10 bit AV1 decoding built into Quicksync. AMD's VCN counterpart doesn't even offer AV1 decoding until VCN3.1 on the Zen3 based Rembrandt APUs.

As for the NVMe lane halving? The t640/655/740/755 design use a Sandisk Mothim NVMe eMMC card as their primary storage (same tech level as the SD7Express card on a Nintendo Switch2), which use one PCIe 3x1 lane, and I don't think most ship with a full fat NVMe drive included as both HP ThinPro and Windows embedded LTSC implement copy-on-write to preserve flash write cycles. Even If it did, no one expect them to be high throughput speed demons - its still sitting in the same plastic enclosure being passively cooled as the APU and that Picasso APU isn't exactly breaking speed records back in 2019 when it was new, and the NVMe drive is likely just as expensive, if not more so than the APU itself. Yeah, it sucks that the lanes are gimped especially when compared to its nearest Lenovo equivalent the m75n thin client - that one is running full PCIe 3x4, even when it only has 8GB of RAM soldered. If you want to see an example of eWaste, that m75n is even more of an instant eWaste product than the t655. The same goes for the Igel UD3 - same as the t640 but with soldered eMMC.

Well, actually, how much of a dealbreaker is it in a 1 NVMe slot homelab machine? Let's see how's my theoretically much faster, Zen2 based t755 is doing...

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root@proxmox01:~# dmidecode -t 1 | grep Name
    Product Name: HP Elite t755 Thin Client

root@proxmox01:~# lspci -vvv | grep NVMe
03:00.0 Non-Volatile memory controller: Micron Technology Inc 2550 NVMe SSD (DRAM-less) (rev 01) (prog-if 02 [NVM Express])

root@proxmox01:~# lspci -vvv -s 03:00.0 | grep Lnk
        LnkCap:    Port #1, Speed 8GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 unlimited
        LnkCtl:    ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes, LnkDisable- CommClk+
        LnkSta:    Speed 8GT/s, Width x2 (downgraded)
        LnkCap2: Supported Link Speeds: 2.5-8GT/s, Crosslink- Retimer- 2Retimers- DRS-
        LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 8GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-
        LnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -3.5dB, EqualizationComplete+ EqualizationPhase1+
        LnkCtl3: LnkEquIntrruptEn- PerformEqu-
I ran my t755 on a cheap DRAM-less NVMe drive, and that Crucial P3/Micron 2550 is a PCIe 4x4 capable drive.
For working with VM images using proxmox it's fine as-is, even with it running at PCIe 3x2, it can read/write at ~1200MB/sec...perfectly okay for what I need it to do. I can probably get it to run at x4 if I throw a heat sink on it and maybe remove the (unused) Mellanox ConnectX3-VPI off the PCIe slot so it's not dealing with its EM interference or thermals. But then, the t640/740 accepts SATA M2 and I am not sure if the t655/755 does or not (I don't remember testing for that). The fact that I have a stack of 64 and 256GB SATA M2s pulled from old/decommissioned Dell Latitudes meant that they are still very much useful for medium duty cases where a SATA3 SSD will work just fine.

So yeah, if you got the t655 for free or stupidly cheap, eh, maybe? Otherwise, just get a t640 with a USB-PD setup if you want cheap+functional, or an m75q if you want some decent staying power at a good price point - there are plenty of use cases where even the t640 is plenty for the needs.
 
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I got mine stupidly cheap. The AUD equivalent of about USD85. I didn't care if the grille on the bottom had a couple of bars broken off. I just wanted to see if a T655 would do a better job than a T640. With a faster CPU and graphics but a slower hard drive I can't make up my mind.

Passmark scores:
CPU: T640 3399 T655 4866 = +43% (more cores but slower clock)
3D: T640 728 T655 1154 = +58%
RAM: T640 1577 T655 1812 = +15%
HDU: T640 20450 T655 11964 = -41%

The T655 does run its RAM at 3200. I think that if you get the wrong RAM spec (not 1R) it is limited to 2666.

I don't need wifi so I put an adapter in that slot and plug a 2230 SSD in it. its not a problem that that only gives me gen3 x 1.

The T640 says on the slot it supports NVMe or SATA. The T655 only says NVMe.

I couldn't figure out from HP's documentation whether the USB-PD supplied power out to the monitor if it supported that, or power in from a monitor that supports that to power the T655. I just noticed it came with a 65W power supply rather than a 45W, so I assumed it was power out.
 
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I got mine stupidly cheap. The AUD equivalent of about USD85. I didn't care if the grille on the bottom had a couple of bars broken off. I just wanted to see if a T655 would do a better job than a T640. With a faster CPU and graphics but a slower hard drive I can't make up my mind.

Passmark scores:
CPU: T640 3399 T655 4866 = +43% (more cores but slower clock)
3D: T640 728 T655 1154 = +58%
RAM: T640 1577 T655 1812 = +15%
HDU: T640 20450 T655 11964 = -41%

The T655 does run its RAM at 3200. I think that if you get the wrong RAM spec (not 1R) it is limited to 2666.

I don't need wifi so I put an adapter in that slot and plug a 2230 SSD in it. its not a problem that that only gives me gen3 x 1.

The T640 says on the slot it supports NVMe or SATA. The T655 only says NVMe.

I couldn't figure out from HP's documentation whether the USB-PD supplied power out to the monitor if it supported that, or power in from a monitor that supports that to power the T655. I just noticed it came with a 65W power supply rather than a 45W, so I assumed it was power out.
Eh, AMD's own product specsheet on the R2314 says 2666MT/sec, but given how they probably didn't qualify it for later RAM, eeeh, not surprised if it does work. That being said, even with a theoretical 33% increase in bandwidth from 2400 to 3200MT/sec, yeah, 15-20% bumpup is more realistic.

Well, as a t640/740/t755 owner, I don't look at that the t655 all that positively - it (most likely) will not do SATA, it's not that much faster, and unlike the t540/640/740s, it's not EOLed and can’t be picked up very inexpensively.

Eh, as for the USB-PD and assuming that it's the same situation as the t640? The USB-PD is off the Psyduck HDMI/Displayport option card (not included with all shipping hardware and depends on the option port specified on purchase). It is used for data, USB-PD input and HDMI output at the same time (so you can use it with a USB-C docking monitor like an HP E27d G4). Why? Because it can potentially make the cable runs behind the desk a little neater if you only need a single large external monitor, although those HP E-series dock-monitors can use a VESA backmount for a mini-PC. That port can theoretically do USB-PD 3.0 100w (I have a Power-Z protocol analyzer here) but on a t640, I've only seen it draw up to ~30 watts max. As for that front USB-C port? In theory it can do USB-PD 3.0 15w, but output only (so its only useful for a smartphone). that port cannot do Alt-mode so it's really a charge+data-only port. Not sure if the t655 face the same limitations...
 
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I've just been in a fight with Asrock over AMD processors and memory speed. I got an Asrock m/b and put a Ryzen 8600GE (the 35W version) on it, and it wouldn't run my DDR5-6000 RAM at 6000, only at 5200. Asrock said AMD's specs say you can run RAM that fast in a 8600G which supports EXPO, but not a 8600GE which doesn't, so if we detect an 8600GE we turn off EXPO and lock the RAM down to a 5200 max as AMD says. I said but I've been running it at 6000 with that APU on an Asus m/b using EXPO, so it clearly does work, and Asus is Asrock's parent company.

I've found RAM specs on AMD's website don't reflect what other of their APUs and CPUs can and do do. I've found the images of AMD products don't match the actual products they sell. I thought I had a fake. I didn't. The images were of marketing mockups, before any product was ever manufactured, not what the customer got. It seems the specs are similar. I've got another motherboard that can't recognise any better than gen 3 SSDs, even though it should.

I know the USB-C port on the front is just plain USB spec. I just wasn't sure about the one on the back. I just use it for Alt mode to a HDMI monitor.

(I like the 8600GE. Its nearly as fast as an 8600G, if only because under full load the 8600G quickly hits its temperature limit and throttles, where the 8600GE stays cool and running at its top speed, but getting hold of one was a pain. The problem with all the Phoenix APUs is there's no desktop motherboard designed to do what they alone amongst all the Ryzen desktop processors can do. Like give you two USB4 ports straight off the CPU. Because they are actually Ryzen mobile processors put in a desktop package with a desktop TDP so they can run faster. The best m/b I can find for them is the Asrock one that has one USB4 with Alt mode, so you want DP you don't get USB4, and vice versa.)
 
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(I like the 8600GE. Its nearly as fast as an 8600G, if only because under full load the 8600G quickly hits its temperature limit and throttles, where the 8600GE stays cool and running at its top speed, but getting hold of one was a pain.
The GE has the same silicon as the G but "wired" to a lower TDP. Why not just use a 8600G and set the 35W TDP via the BIOS or with a tool like RyzenAdj? That's what I did for the 4650G in my NAS and it's running flawlessly for many years.
 

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That was my point to Asrock tech support. That of course the G and GE are the same silicon, and that I'd seen EXPO work with the GE. But they just point to the AMD specs that say one supports EXPO and fast RAM and the other doesn't. I'd seen references to a BIOS setting that stepped the TDP up and down on earlier Ryzens, but couldn't find it on any motherboard I had. It just wasn't there where people said it was on anything I had. Thanks for the info on an app that does it.

Edit: Ah, I see, adjustable TDP only works on MOBILE Ryzens, not on desktop Ryzens. We'll see whether it works on Phoenix series APUs that are desktop APUs built out of mobile Ryzen silicon.

Another edit: Looked again in the 8600G BIOS.

Found the 35W option. Its under ADVANCED\AMD CBS\SMU Common Options and its called ECO Mode. You have two choices "Auto", or "H Series OPNs System Config 4 (35W)". If it hadn't had "35W" in it I'd have never guessed that's what it was. That means I can take the big aftermarket cooler off it that prevents me putting it in a little ITX case without it overheating and throttling under full load, I can run it off the 120W power brick, and its better than the GE because it has EXPO enabled and I can run the RAM at 6000.

Thanks.

Gees, I wish I'd known that was there before I went to a LOT of trouble and expense to get the 8600GE. It was more expensive and I couldn't get it in this country retail. So I bought it from a Chinese AliExpress seller. He tried to cheat me by sending me a used Intel CPU, but I caught him out by opening it in front of a witness with a security camera watching and recording. Then the replacement didn't work, and it didn't look like AMD's official images, so it appeared to be a fake. But the AMD images weren't of the product they actually manufactured, and it was a setting in the motherboard that was somehow wrong, and all it took was clearing the BIOS. And finally it worked. By then, convinced I was never going to get a working GE, I'd bought a G retail. So now I had two. So I had to buy another motherboard and more RAM and a case for the second one.

With no discrete GPU to power, and with the APU running at 35W I can power the G with a picoPSU type power supply getting 12V from a 120W power brick. With the G running at "65W", and 6000 RAM, it was actually drawing 90W, and that was too much for the 120W power brick. And the other one using the GE is attached to the back of a 28" 4K monitor using the VESA mounts and both it and the screen can run off a 12V 200W power brick.
 
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I've just been in a fight with Asrock over AMD processors and memory speed. I got an Asrock m/b and put a Ryzen 8600GE (the 35W version) on it, and it wouldn't run my DDR5-6000 RAM at 6000, only at 5200. Asrock said AMD's specs say you can run RAM that fast in a 8600G which supports EXPO, but not a 8600GE which doesn't, so if we detect an 8600GE we turn off EXPO and lock the RAM down to a 5200 max as AMD says. I said but I've been running it at 6000 with that APU on an Asus m/b using EXPO, so it clearly does work, and Asus is Asrock's parent company.

I've found RAM specs on AMD's website don't reflect what other of their APUs and CPUs can and do do. I've found the images of AMD products don't match the actual products they sell. I thought I had a fake. I didn't. The images were of marketing mockups, before any product was ever manufactured, not what the customer got. It seems the specs are similar. I've got another motherboard that can't recognise any better than gen 3 SSDs, even though it should.

I know the USB-C port on the front is just plain USB spec. I just wasn't sure about the one on the back. I just use it for Alt mode to a HDMI monitor.

(I like the 8600GE. Its nearly as fast as an 8600G, if only because under full load the 8600G quickly hits its temperature limit and throttles, where the 8600GE stays cool and running at its top speed, but getting hold of one was a pain. The problem with all the Phoenix APUs is there's no desktop motherboard designed to do what they alone amongst all the Ryzen desktop processors can do. Like give you two USB4 ports straight off the CPU. Because they are actually Ryzen mobile processors put in a desktop package with a desktop TDP so they can run faster. The best m/b I can find for them is the Asrock one that has one USB4 with Alt mode, so you want DP you don't get USB4, and vice versa.)
Eh. AMD got their tech specs wrong consistently, to the point where I usually look at the Linux kernel feature descriptions of hardware components just to bypass their often outdated spec sheets. As for Expo, eeeh, you are depending on Asrock (kinda meh) to deal with AMD's AGESA firmware folks to get the hardware running the way it's supposed to. That's...going to be a challenge. That being said, the 8600GE is meant for TMM corporate PCs like the ThinkCentre m75q-5, which use laptop SODIMMs. Enterprise machines rarely (if ever) support EXPO, so AGESA on those APUs likely blacklisted the EXPO support, even if it'll likely work (oh look, market segmentation). My guess is that the 8600GE APU can simply be a Ryzen 5 7640H packaged for AM5 as AMD does rebranding to clear out old APUs all the time. AFAIK none of the mobile Ryzen Phoenixes or Hawk Points officially support EXPO.
 
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The 8600G a repackaged 7640H? The specs do look the same. And the clue that they are the same is that AMD even calls one the "mobile ryzen phoenix", and the other a "desktop ryzen phoenix".
 

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just use a 8600G and set the 35W TDP via the BIOS
Nice idea. Didn't work. But worth a try.

Edit, it didn't work yesterday. I think I know why. Corrected the issue, and today its working.

That BIOS setting changes the power consumption profile of the 8600G desktop phoenix APU to a H-series laptop phoenix APU.

The 8600GE sets itself by default to max turbo power of 42W, base power 42W, and PPT limit of 42W.

The 8600G sets itself by default to max turbo power of 88W, base power of 88W, and PPT limit of 88W.

That BIOS change resets that to max turbo power of 60W, base power of 42W, and PPT limit to 88W. So it thinks its an 8600GE, but with better cooling and a better power supply, so it can turbo boost higher. And EXPO is working so the RAM is running at 6000.

So, great, with that BIOS change its better than an 8600GE.

Might try the same BIOS setting in the 8600GE. Its there in the BIOS. It just won't turn on EXPO.
 
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No point in swapping the 8600GE for another model so it can run faster RAM because EXPO works on it, because that'd involve buying some fast DDR5 RAM. And the prices now !!!!!

I can do some more playing when my new monitor gets delivered. The one I used for that couldn't take a couple of days of 44C (111F). The passively cooled HP thin clients got awfully hot to the touch too if you lay them on their side.

Edit: Can confirm the ECO setting works on the 8600GE as well. Except in the case of it , it raises the max turbo power to 60W, giving it a small but measurable performance increase.
 
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No point in swapping the 8600GE for another model so it can run faster RAM because EXPO works on it, because that'd involve buying some fast DDR5 RAM. And the prices now !!!!!

I can do some more playing when my new monitor gets delivered. The one I used for that couldn't take a couple of days of 44C (111F). The passively cooled HP thin clients got awfully hot to the touch too if you lay them on their side.
Eh - out of the 3 thin clients from the 2018 generation (Igel M350, HP t640, Wyse 5070), the t640 has the most amount of plastic (i.e. it doesn't have a mostly metallic chassis to help wick away heat, which is what the Wyse 5070 or the Moderro IEC4650 has), so I am not surprised that it gets hot to the touch. That being said, the APU itself is rated up to 105C, and as long as you don't cook your NVMe drive heat soaking it over days at a time, it should be fine.