Intel Celeron J6413 Powered 6x i226 2.5GbE Fanless Firewall Review

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skimikes

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Can you post the output of dmidecode -t system|egrep "Prod|Manu" for the model that you have?

Code: 
root@proxmox:~# dmidecode -t system|egrep "Prod|Manu"
        Manufacturer: CWWK
        Product Name: CW-J6-6L
Code: 
root@proxmox:~# dmidecode -t bios|grep Date
        Release Date: 11/11/2022
I am using a J6413, model CW-J6-6L. It happily supports up to 64GB RAM without the same flakiness that the N5105/N6005 models have. The on/off toggle is for when you have a wireless card installed - it will allow you to call into the unit to power it on.

I wound up with a silver chassis that has rounded edges so you can't stand it on its side.

PCIe pass-through is working fine on my device.

Temps are very reasonable as long as you have some air passing over the chassis:
Code: 
root@proxmox:~# sensors
acpitz-acpi-0
Adapter: ACPI interface
temp1:         +0.0°C  (crit = +119.0°C)

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0:  +33.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 0:        +29.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1:        +29.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 2:        +29.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 3:        +29.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
In a location without any air movement, that temperature sits closer to 40C.

With 5 NICs in use, the device is pulling about 14.9W.

Also, mine came with some no-name 36W PSU, model GR-1203000CH, where the prongs can be swapped out for those of different countries.
 
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One wonders what even the point of developing the J6413 variant is if it's so indistinguishable from the N5105, unless the J chip is actually cheaper on the Chinese spot market, or the N has an actual known issue with >16GB memory or something. Intel says the J6413 has 3x 2.5Gbps ports built in, but these devices don't use them.

Bryan, I'm not sure what issues you ran into trying to pass through the NICs, but mine passed through just fine. I did have to run 'update-pciids' to get mine to show up in the Proxmox GUI.

skimikes said:
Can you post the output of dmidecode -t system|egrep "Prod|Manu" for the model that you have?
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root@proxmox:~# dmidecode -t system|egrep "Prod|Manu"
        Manufacturer: Default string
        Product Name: Default string
root@proxmox:~# dmidecode -t bios|grep Date
        Release Date: 09/23/2022
root@proxmox:~# sensors
acpitz-acpi-0
Adapter: ACPI interface
temp1:         +0.0°C  (crit = +119.0°C)

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0:  +51.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 0:        +47.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1:        +47.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 2:        +47.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 3:        +47.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
I must be a BIOS version or two behind you (mine says 5.19), I'm running it in a dusty corner with some other devices.

Also, mine came with some no-name 36W PSU, model GR-1203000CH, where the prongs can be swapped out for those of different countries.
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Same. I got mine from CWWK Store. I think ordering from Topton gets you the 'name brand' PSU.
 
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Oarman said:
Bryan, I'm not sure what issues you ran into trying to pass through the NICs, but mine passed through just fine. I did have to run 'update-pciids' to get mine to show up in the Proxmox GUI.
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I also don't have problems with passthrough


Oarman said:
Code: 
root@proxmox:~# dmidecode -t system|egrep "Prod|Manu"
        Manufacturer: Default string
        Product Name: Default string
root@proxmox:~# dmidecode -t bios|grep Date
        Release Date: 09/23/2022
root@proxmox:~# sensors
acpitz-acpi-0
Adapter: ACPI interface
temp1:         +0.0°C  (crit = +119.0°C)

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0:  +51.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 0:        +47.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1:        +47.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 2:        +47.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 3:        +47.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
I must be a BIOS version or two behind you (mine says 5.19), I'm running it in a dusty corner with some other devices.



Same. I got mine from CWWK Store. I think ordering from Topton gets you the 'name brand' PSU.
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I got mine from Topton with Liteon PSU like in the video and dmidecode output as you have.
 
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Batmanzi

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Got the Topton version with a named PSU.

I'm mainly a Windows guy, installing Windows Core 2022 to run Hyper-V on this device was a huge pain in the butt, there are a lot of missing drivers and the NIC connectivity kept dropping whenever the cards are stressed out. I decided to drop Windows and switch to Proxmox.

I followed this guide to enable passthrough to opnsense for those who needs it: https://www.servethehome.com/how-to-pass-through-pcie-nics-with-proxmox-ve-on-intel-and-amd/, running 'update-pciids' did indeed help show the real PCI names in the portal.

One major change I got on my device compared to the review unit Bryan got, is that the back has a 80x80mm fan slot, I managed to fit this into it https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005C31GIA. The fan was kind of noisy at full speed and there are no controls for it in Proxmox, so I used a Noctua Low Noise Adapter and the noise is completely gone, and yes there's a 3pin port on the back of the motherboard that you'll need to take off the board to reach. and it's a mini JST port like this one 2.5mm Pitch 3-pin Cable Matching Pair - JST XH Compatible, such a very weird choice if you ask me.

Question to everyone here, what are your BIOS settings? I'm running the defaults after updating to the one skimikes shared.
 
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Having the Topton version as well with the liteon branded PSU. Running latest Proxmox on it with OPNsense, Home Assistant and a Debian LXC running Docker.

Anyone here had success getting a mini PCIe Coral TPU to work? Is not visible to Proxmox at all, it seems.

Currently running an updated kernel (kernel: 6.1.10-1-pve) to have a stable Home Assistant. With default kernel it random reboots or freezes up otherwise (known issue with this processor/chipset I found somewhere).

Code: 
pveversion
pve-manager/7.3-6/723bb6ec (running kernel: 6.1.10-1-pve)
Updated, installed drivers conform Coral site. Rebooted.

Code: 
lspci -nn | grep 089a
--> no output

Reinstalled software to have it rebuild for my specific kernel version:
Code: 
apt-get install --reinstall pve-headers-6.1.10-1-pve
apt-get install --reinstall gasket-dkms libedgetpu1-std
(and rebooted)
Code: 
lspci -nn | grep 089a
--> no output

I ran 'update-pciids' as well to have updated and correct id's.
Output of: lspci -nn -q
Code: 
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:4522] (rev 01)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake [UHD Graphics Gen11 16EU] [8086:4555] (rev 01)
00:08.0 System peripheral [0880]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake Gaussian and Neural Accelerator [8086:4511] (rev 01)
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake USB 3.10 XHCI [8086:4b7d] (rev 11)
00:14.2 RAM memory [0500]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake PMC SRAM [8086:4b7f] (rev 11)
00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake Management Engine Interface [8086:4b70] (rev 11)
00:17.0 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake SATA AHCI [8086:4b63] (rev 11)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake PCH PCI Express Root Port #0 [8086:4b38] (rev 11)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake PCH PCI Express Root Port #1 [8086:4b39] (rev 11)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:4b3a] (rev 11)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:4b3b] (rev 11)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:4b3c] (rev 11)
00:1c.6 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake PCH PCI Express Root Port #6 [8086:4b3e] (rev 11)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake eSPI Controller [8086:4b00] (rev 11)
00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake High Density Audio bus interface [8086:4b58] (rev 11)
00:1f.4 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake SMBus Controller [8086:4b23] (rev 11)
00:1f.5 Serial bus controller [0c80]: Intel Corporation Elkhart Lake SPI (Flash) Controller [8086:4b24] (rev 11)
01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller I226-V [8086:125c] (rev 04)
02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller I226-V [8086:125c] (rev 04)
03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller I226-V [8086:125c] (rev 04)
04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller I226-V [8086:125c] (rev 04)
05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller I226-V [8086:125c] (rev 04)
06:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Controller I226-V [8086:125c] (rev 04)
Also updated bios today hoping it would result in getting the mini PCIe Coral TPU available, no success...
 
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