Patriot Moderator Apr 18, 2011 1,310 694 113 Mar 29, 2017 #21 ShepsCrook said: Sorry, I was thinking the wrong thing. The 2683v4's sold anyway. Click to expand... No need, one can be derived from the other but are both useful tidbits. Frankly he may have been expecting the qpec and asked for the wrong thing. Didn't mean to be rude in the knowledge transfer.