In my case, there was almost as much thermal goop under the copper as above it. I twisted it a couple times and then pulled it off with my fingers. no issue there.... ya know except the mountain of goop.
Remove the two screws, then just pull it off. It was only connected to the case with (a lot of) thermal paste.
I had issues with disconnects, maybe also caused by my underpowered box running opnsense, I moved wireguard to my NAS, and after running wg-easy now for a while I don't plan to use the plugin anymore. Much easier to add clients. Just scan the QR code on WG easy, and your mobile phone is ready to be used. The only upgrade/change I will implement is to move the service to a VM on Proxmox, instead of running a docker service on the NAS. Two pieces of hardware less that can fail (Switch & NAS) and render VPN impossible.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind when I get round to setting up the VPN. The manual setup for clients without a QR code does sound annoying. I assume you wont use docker to run Wireguard on Proxmox, so you'll set up a VM/container running a linux distro and the wireguard service itself (eg not using wg-easy)?
I have created a CT on Proxmox running Debian 11, installed docker on it, and now I am running wg-easy and portainer on this virtual machine. The CT does only share a virtual bridge/network connection with the VM running opnsense, but is separated from the network Proxmox itself runs on.
Topton Computer Store
Ah yeah, the N5105/N6005 from Topton were well known for the problems. A good amount of pages in the N5105 thread is dedicated to this. I wonder if the quality has improved on the N100/N200/N305 boxes, or if we will see similar issues here. At the moment there is not enough feedback on this. To be more precise, I think no one beside me had a closer look at the new series.
. I reapplied the thermal paste with MX4 between cpu/gpu and also between copper block and black case. Adjusted the BIOS settings according to @Becks0815 thread earlier.Intel N200 (x86_64)
4 cores @ 3700 MHz | 31.2 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 4 | Test Iterations: 1 | Test Duration: Medium
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CPU Mark: 5265
Integer Math 19327 Million Operations/s
Floating Point Math 11874 Million Operations/s
Prime Numbers 25.6 Million Primes/s
Sorting 7339 Thousand Strings/s
Encryption 4361 MB/s
Compression 54874 KB/s
CPU Single Threaded 2164 Million Operations/s
Physics 201 Frames/s
Extended Instructions (SSE) 2500 Million Matrices/s
Memory Mark: 2141
Database Operations 1796 Thousand Operations/s
Memory Read Cached 18773 MB/s
Memory Read Uncached 8507 MB/s
Memory Write 6788 MB/s
Available RAM 30255 Megabytes
Memory Latency 31 Nanoseconds
Memory Threaded 18188 MB/s
--------------------------------------------------------------------------5265 is way below @Becks0815 's N100 model. There is quite some difference in especially the Physics, Sorting and overall memory values. They are mostly 2/3 of what to be expected. PerformanceTest FAQ - Poor PC Performance confirms the cpu results can be related to memory.# sudo dmidecode --type 17
# dmidecode 3.3
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 3.5.0 present.
# SMBIOS implementations newer than version 3.3.0 are not
# fully supported by this version of dmidecode.
Handle 0x0028, DMI type 17, 92 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0027
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 32 GB
Form Factor: SODIMM
Set: None
Locator: Controller0-ChannelA-DIMM0
Bank Locator: BANK 0
Type: <OUT OF SPEC>
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 4800 MT/s
Manufacturer: Crucial Technology
Serial Number: E7EE****
Asset Tag: 9********
Part Number: CT32G48C40S5.M16A1
Rank: 2
Configured Memory Speed: 4800 MT/s
Minimum Voltage: 1.1 V
Maximum Voltage: 1.1 V
Configured Voltage: 1.1 V
Memory Technology: DRAM
Memory Operating Mode Capability: Volatile memory
Firmware Version: Not Specified
Module Manufacturer ID: Bank 6, Hex 0x9B
Module Product ID: Unknown
Memory Subsystem Controller Manufacturer ID: Unknown
Memory Subsystem Controller Product ID: Unknown
Non-Volatile Size: None
Volatile Size: 32 GB
Cache Size: None
Logical Size: None
lshw -C memory
*-firmware
description: BIOS
vendor: American Megatrends International, LLC.
physical id: 0
version: 5.27
date: 03/18/2023
size: 64KiB
capabilities: pci upgrade shadowing cdboot bootselect socketedrom edd int13floppynec int13floppytoshiba int13floppy360 int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int14serial int17printer int10video acpi usb biosbootspecification uefi
*-memory
description: System Memory
physical id: 27
slot: System board or motherboard
size: 32GiB
*-bank:0
description: SODIMM Synchronous 4800 MHz (0.2 ns)
product: CT32G48C40S5.M16A1
vendor: Crucial Technology
physical id: 0
serial: E7EE****
slot: Controller0-ChannelA-DIMM0
size: 32GiB
width: 64 bits
clock: 505MHz (2.0ns)
*-bank:1
description: [empty]
physical id: 1
slot: Controller1-ChannelA-DIMM0
*-cache:0
description: L1 cache
physical id: 32
slot: L1 Cache
size: 128KiB
capacity: 128KiB
capabilities: synchronous internal write-back data
configuration: level=1
*-cache:1
description: L1 cache
physical id: 33
slot: L1 Cache
size: 256KiB
capacity: 256KiB
capabilities: synchronous internal write-back instruction
configuration: level=1
*-cache:2
description: L2 cache
physical id: 34
slot: L2 Cache
size: 2MiB
capacity: 2MiB
capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
configuration: level=2
*-cache:3
description: L3 cache
physical id: 35
slot: L3 Cache
size: 6MiB
capacity: 6MiB
capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
configuration: level=3
*-memory UNCLAIMED
description: RAM memory
product: Intel Corporation
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 14.2
bus info: pci@0000:00:14.2
version: 00
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz (30.3ns)
capabilities: pm cap_list
configuration: latency=0
resources: iomemory:600-5ff iomemory:600-5ff memory:6002010000-6002013fff memory:6002016000-6002016fffI bought the one with the lowest CL values I could find, and with standard values and without playing around with PL1/PL2 the N100 is at around 4600 passmark. So 5200 is good.
5200 is with your BIOS settings applied, with "optimized BIOS defaults" I get around 4000. So something is off here. My CL40 vs your CL38 should not make that big of difference I would assume.
Could it be that using more memory than supported by the CPU causes this? It would seem unlikely, but who knows! I've ordered the same RAM but a 16GB module (CT16G48C40S5) to put in my CWWK N100. When it gets here in 2 to 3 weeks I can run the same tests.
What was your PL1/PL2 for both cases? The N200 has a higher boost clock, but otherwise is essentially the same as the N100. If the N100 can hit the PL2 of 25W under full load, there's not going to be a big difference between the N100 and N200 under short term load. Under long term load with PL1=6, it's the same due to the restrictive PL1.
I don't think its the size, because here is a 32GB test with faster memory results:
@Kenjutso would you share your CL timing on your DDR5 module?
Awesome, thanks! I mean, speed is not that important for me. It's rather the size, as I will be running Proxmox with kubernetes vms for a homelab on the box, but still be curious what's causing the difference and see your results.
Stock (~4000 Score):
This makes sense. PL2=10W is really low. The CPU can't boost very much at that power level. In the second case, it will boost to 25W until you hit Tau, which is probably 28s, and then drop down to 10W. This will perform significantly better than your first case in pretty much any benchmark.
Ubuntu 22.04 Server:
PassMark PerformanceTest Linux
Intel N200 (x86_64)
4 cores @ 3700 MHz | 31.1 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 4 | Test Iterations: 1 | Test Duration: Medium
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CPU Mark: 5578
Integer Math 19371 Million Operations/s
Floating Point Math 11938 Million Operations/s
Prime Numbers 26.1 Million Primes/s
Sorting 7928 Thousand Strings/s
Encryption 4070 MB/s
Compression 54220 KB/s
CPU Single Threaded 2111 Million Operations/s
Physics 485 Frames/s
Extended Instructions (SSE) 2458 Million Matrices/s
Memory Mark: 2593
Database Operations 2754 Thousand Operations/s
Memory Read Cached 18932 MB/s
Memory Read Uncached 12171 MB/s
Memory Write 10210 MB/s
Available RAM 31391 Megabytes
Memory Latency 34 Nanoseconds
Memory Threaded 27861 MB/s
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Proxmox:
PassMark PerformanceTest Linux
Intel N200 (x86_64)
4 cores @ 3700 MHz | 31.1 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 4 | Test Iterations: 1 | Test Duration: Medium
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CPU Mark: 5219
Integer Math 19344 Million Operations/s
Floating Point Math 11912 Million Operations/s
Prime Numbers 26.0 Million Primes/s
Sorting 6890 Thousand Strings/s
Encryption 4413 MB/s
Compression 53916 KB/s
CPU Single Threaded 2177 Million Operations/s
Physics 200 Frames/s
Extended Instructions (SSE) 2504 Million Matrices/s
Memory Mark: 2133
Database Operations 1792 Thousand Operations/s
Memory Read Cached 18605 MB/s
Memory Read Uncached 8451 MB/s
Memory Write 6725 MB/s
Available RAM 30098 Megabytes
Memory Latency 31 Nanoseconds
Memory Threaded 18173 MB/s
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Proxmox 6.2 Kernel:
PassMark PerformanceTest Linux
Intel N200 (x86_64)
4 cores @ 3700 MHz | 31.1 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 4 | Test Iterations: 1 | Test Duration: Medium
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Mark: 5208
Integer Math 19258 Million Operations/s
Floating Point Math 11888 Million Operations/s
Prime Numbers 23.6 Million Primes/s
Sorting 6944 Thousand Strings/s
Encryption 4351 MB/s
Compression 54363 KB/s
CPU Single Threaded 2161 Million Operations/s
Physics 209 Frames/s
Extended Instructions (SSE) 2479 Million Matrices/s
Memory Mark: 2336
Database Operations 1823 Thousand Operations/s
Memory Read Cached 19191 MB/s
Memory Read Uncached 11038 MB/s
Memory Write 8511 MB/s
Available RAM 30281 Megabytes
Memory Latency 32 Nanoseconds
Memory Threaded 18342 MB/s
--------------------------------------------------------------------------echo "powersave" | tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governorProxmox with Kernel 6.2 and powersave profile:
PassMark PerformanceTest Linux
Intel N200 (x86_64)
4 cores @ 3700 MHz | 31.1 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 4 | Test Iterations: 1 | Test Duration: Medium
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Mark: 5517
Integer Math 19288 Million Operations/s
Floating Point Math 11881 Million Operations/s
Prime Numbers 25.7 Million Primes/s
Sorting 7633 Thousand Strings/s
Encryption 4022 MB/s
Compression 53773 KB/s
CPU Single Threaded 2121 Million Operations/s
Physics 483 Frames/s
Extended Instructions (SSE) 2438 Million Matrices/s
Memory Mark: 2578
Database Operations 2768 Thousand Operations/s
Memory Read Cached 18786 MB/s
Memory Read Uncached 12178 MB/s
Memory Write 10339 MB/s
Available RAM 30251 Megabytes
Memory Latency 34 Nanoseconds
Memory Threaded 27930 MB/s
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Intel N100 (x86_64)
4 cores @ 3400 MHz | 15.4 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 4 | Test Iterations: 1 | Test Duration: Medium
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Mark: 5536
Integer Math 17239 Million Operations/s
Floating Point Math 10708 Million Operations/s
Prime Numbers 23.5 Million Primes/s
Sorting 9499 Thousand Strings/s
Encryption 4399 MB/s
Compression 55736 KB/s
CPU Single Threaded 2091 Million Operations/s
Physics 373 Frames/s
Extended Instructions (SSE) 2553 Million Matrices/s
Memory Mark: 2043
Database Operations 1726 Thousand Operations/s
Memory Read Cached 18993 MB/s
Memory Read Uncached 12494 MB/s
Memory Write 9538 MB/s
Available RAM 3089 Megabytes
Memory Latency 32 Nanoseconds
Memory Threaded 27474 MB/s
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