CWWK i5-1235U 6 port i226 report

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PassMark PerformanceTest Linux


12th Gen Intel Core i5-1235U (x86_64)
10 cores @ 4400 MHz  |  62.5 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 12  |  Test Iterations: 1  |  Test Duration: Medium
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CPU Mark:                          18061
  Integer Math                     60534 Million Operations/s
  Floating Point Math              39708 Million Operations/s
  Prime Numbers                    48.1 Million Primes/s
  Sorting                          29559 Thousand Strings/s
  Encryption                       14723 MB/s
  Compression                      200099 KB/s
  CPU Single Threaded              3592 Million Operations/s
  Physics                          1078 Frames/s
  Extended Instructions (SSE)      9918 Million Matrices/s

Memory Mark:                       3393
  Database Operations              6568 Thousand Operations/s
  Memory Read Cached               32838 MB/s
  Memory Read Uncached             21388 MB/s
  Memory Write                     15757 MB/s
  Available RAM                    50653 Megabytes
  Memory Latency                   42 Nanoseconds
  Memory Threaded                  40349 MB/s
watching my processor frequency while running this test in proxmox host. frequency never get pass 4000mhz
 

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something must be off then. when i run it on my 8505 machine i get this (s-tui for monitoring in one window while passmark is running in the second):

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as you can see my 2 performance cores are hitting 4400 and my 4 efficiency cores hit 3300, which is exactly its spec.
its possible that you have some settings active which limit your cpu.
mine is pretty much unlimited since i have a slow 120mm fan laying on top of it.
 
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alcw

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thanks now i tried using this "s-tui" to monitor the frequency, it is able to hit >4000mhz but extremely small/short instance only. probably because my cpu temperature. i dont use any fan and just let it do the passive cooling. idle temperature for cores 50deg+. even if it run 24/7 around 80+deg i dont think will be an issue.

anyway, i am still able to get around 17900+ cpu marks
 

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yeah thats thermal throttling, thats happening to you.
its doing exactly what its supposed to do.
when it gets too hot it slows down.
this is a configurable setting (you can set it lower than the default). by default the limit is 100 °C on this processortype.
mine doesnt hit 100 usually so it doesnt slow down (screenshot shows 86).
 
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@lucker, I am going to be designing and printing my casing for 2x 3.5" HDD's and a 120mm fan, to do just that. The cables do not allow you to hang a 2.5" ssd from them; the boardside connector is way to fragile as is the cable if you ask me...
I would be quite interested if you do it to make a remixed version with just the fan support, do you plan to publish it somewhere like thingiverse ?
A standard 120 mm on the top is quite efficient while being so silent due to 5V PSU instead of 12V, but I would like some air going inside as well to help the SSD.
 

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watching my processor frequency while running this test in proxmox host. frequency never get pass 4000mhz
For multi-core stuff, this is normal. The default BIOS settings only allow to go to 4400 for a single performance core. Anything more than that will do 4000 max.
 
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If anyone is planning to use the iGPU for transcoding, I can confirm it works. I've passed it through to VM and then to a Jellyfin container. It has no problem with my high bit rate HEVC 4k movies.
 

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If anyone is planning to use the iGPU for transcoding, I can confirm it works. I've passed it through to VM and then to a Jellyfin container. It has no problem with my high bit rate HEVC 4k movies.
The obvious follow up question is.. how many streams can it transcode simultaneously?
The use case I can think of : Run a plex server container with the iGPU transcoding multiple streams.
 
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For multi-core stuff, this is normal. The default BIOS settings only allow to go to 4400 for a single performance core. Anything more than that will do 4000 max.
On my i7-1265U unit it does the same but 4200MHz for multi core and watched it scale to 4800MHz for single core tests.
 
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I've been watching this thread from the beginning, and it's really been helpful. Thanks to @fta for the HWP BIOS, and everyone responding with their findings and benchmarks! Thanks @Patrick for the review. Now I feel like it's my turn to share my experience, and maybe I can help others. Apologies for the long post.

Ordering
On Wednesday 03-05-2023 I ordered a CWWK i7 1265u unit without SSD and RAM on Loksing (this unit). I intially wanted to order on cwwk.net, but after informing of payment by creditcard I was advised to order via Loksing (which is CWWK also I guess?).
First I got support via webchat, some basic questions of what's included etc. Also to probe if there's somebody on the other end of the line. After ordering I got a track-and-trace link. Received the unit on Tuesday 13-05-2023, it was sooner than expected.
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Packaging
Package was solid. Completely wrapped in tape, with somekind of waterproof sealing.
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The unit
I also got the Dajing ADP-96H12 power supply (like MichaelW posted). Not sure if it's a reliable unit and if I should replace it for security reasons, with for example a Mean Well power supply (any advice of which Mean Well unit could replace this is welcome).
The case itself weighs heavily, indicating there much aluminum for heat to dissipate. Also got some instructions in Chinese, nice but worthless. It came with a 10mm fan pre-installed (I requested it via webchat), pushing air from inside to outside.

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Installed components
I ordered the unit without SDD and RAM. I installed the following working components:
SSD: WD Blue SN570 1TB M.2 SSD (EAN: 718037883885, vendorcode: WDS100T3B0C, link to Western Digital)
RAM: Kingston DDR4 SODIMM Fury Impact 2x16GB 3200 (EAN: 740617318388, vendorcode: KF432S20IBK2/32, link to Kingston PDF)

Note on the WD SN570 SSD: it's single sided, with the storage chip facing the 10mm fan. Which is great for cooling. I tried installing a heatsink on top of the SSD with still using the 10mm fan on the inside, but unfortunately that would not fit. I tried the following two different low profile heatsinks: be quiet! MC1 M.2 SSD Cooler and the DeLOCK 18285 M.2 heatsink 70mm.

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I also re-applied the thermal paste. And also installed a 140mm USB fan on the outside, pushing air away from the unit. Used velcro straps to keep the 140mm fan on it's place (inspired by pictures in a post of fta).
Thermal paste: Arctic MX-6 ULTIMATE Performance Thermal Paste 4g (EAN: 4895213703949, vendorcode: ACTCP00084A , link to Arctic)
140mm fan: Noctua NF-A14 5V PWM (EAN: 9010018100235 , vendorcode: NF-A14 5V PWM, link to Noctua)

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When disassembling the case for re-applying paste, I noticed the screws were not tightened. I figured that with a tighter fit, the CPU can make better contact with the heatsink, thus better performance.

Benchmarking
Now finally I got some time for some benchmarking, tweaking, etc. I have benchmarked in stages:

Factory BIOS --> HWP with suggested settings mentioned by fway in this post --> HWP (with suggested settings) with re-applied thermal paste and 140mm fan

Factory BIOS
Installed Tiny11 (link to GitHub) Windows 11 Pro N on the SSD. For testing, and also to see if everything would be recognized in Windows (future proofing). Due to Tiny11 removing many components and the unit not connected to internet the Intel graphics drivers were not installed (later I did). Therefore PassMark 3D Mark test not executed. Never really used any of the benchmarking tools before so I was learning on the go.
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HWP BIOS with suggested settings

Still testing in Windows 11. Score is a huge difference with 19194. CPU single threaded score of 3483, which is no improvement. I felt something is holding the unit back at reaching it's turbo clock at 4.8GHz. It just kept it under 4.2GHz, or so it seemed. Ofcourse it could be thermals but maybe it has to do with Windows itself?
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HWP BIOS with suggested settings with re-applied thermal paste and 140mm fan
Due to the fact I could not use the full potential in Windows I decided to benchmark in Ubuntu 23.04, booted from an USB stick.
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                          PassMark PerformanceTest Linux

12th Gen Intel Core i7-1265U (x86_64)
10 cores @ 4800 MHz  |  31.1 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 12  |  Test Iterations: 1  |  Test Duration: Medium
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CPU Mark:                          20285
  Integer Math                     63796 Million Operations/s
  Floating Point Math              41348 Million Operations/s
  Prime Numbers                    50.2 Million Primes/s
  Sorting                          32275 Thousand Strings/s
  Encryption                       15989 MB/s
  Compression                      241040 KB/s
  CPU Single Threaded              3972 Million Operations/s
  Physics                          1262 Frames/s
  Extended Instructions (SSE)      12468 Million Matrices/s

Memory Mark:                       3359
  Database Operations              6857 Thousand Operations/s
  Memory Read Cached               35838 MB/s
  Memory Read Uncached             21306 MB/s
  Memory Write                     14768 MB/s
  Available RAM                    23491 Megabytes
  Memory Latency                   43 Nanoseconds
  Memory Threaded                  45383 MB/s
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Finally I saw it burst to 4.8GHz in s-tui (link to GitHub).
Sensors output when idle (ambient temperature around 21°C)
Code:
coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0:  +28.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 0:        +26.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 4:        +24.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 8:        +27.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 9:        +27.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 10:       +27.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 11:       +27.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 12:       +28.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 13:       +28.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 14:       +28.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Core 15:       +28.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
Very satisfied with the resulting 20285 CPU Mark and 3972 for CPU single threaded. Temperatures looking good, although the USB fan is kinda loud. I will be placing the unit inside a fuse box (Dutch: meterkast), with the doors closed. So that would not really be a problem.

Future
Now that I got the unit running at it's best, I will be going forward to migrate my bare metal pfSense 2.6 installation on my current Qotom Q878GE unit to this unit running pfSense+ 23.05 (again bare metal, I know, it's overkill). Usings the settings mentioned by iceman_jkh in this post.
 

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i would revert the fan and make it a downblower. it will blow between the fins and push the warm air out the side.
should be more effective than sucking air upwards (thats why classic cpu coolers had the fan blow onto the fins, not suck from them) :)
 

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The obvious follow up question is.. how many streams can it transcode simultaneously?
The use case I can think of : Run a plex server container with the iGPU transcoding multiple streams.
i only have fullhd material and 2 tvs to stream to, so thats the most i have tried.
had no problems and the cpu was at 0.5 to 2% inside the plex container, meaning the transcoding worked properly and didnt eat any cpu.
 
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The obvious follow up question is.. how many streams can it transcode simultaneously?
The use case I can think of : Run a plex server container with the iGPU transcoding multiple streams.
I tested with a HEVC 10 bit HDR 87Mbps video and transcoded to H.264 83Mbps with hardware tone mapping. It is right at its limit with 4 streams. It did the 4 streams while using +10-15W of power. That's pretty amazing.
 
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If anyone is planning to use the iGPU for transcoding, I can confirm it works. I've passed it through to VM and then to a Jellyfin container. It has no problem with my high bit rate HEVC 4k movies.
have you tried the SR-IOV passthrough that can split the iGPU to a few virtual GPU?

 
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Hi, is there somewhere the exact pinning documented of the serial header on the CWWK i5-1235U 6 port motherboard from CWWK?
 

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I also got the Dajing ADP-96H12 power supply (like MichaelW posted). Not sure if it's a reliable unit and if I should replace it for security reasons, with for example a Mean Well power supply (any advice of which Mean Well unit could replace this is welcome).
Personally, I don't trust any of these junky power supplies. It's just not worth the risk of burning your house down. Something like a
GST90A15-P1M or GST90A19-P1M should work for Mean Well. I replaced mine with a GlobTek.

Note on the WD SN570 SSD: it's single sided, with the storage chip facing the 10mm fan. Which is great for cooling. I tried installing a heatsink on top of the SSD with still using the 10mm fan on the inside, but unfortunately that would not fit. I tried the following two different low profile heatsinks: be quiet! MC1 M.2 SSD Cooler and the DeLOCK 18285 M.2 heatsink 70mm.
If I remember correctly, the heatsink needs be less than 5mm tall. This is the one I use.
 

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Personally, I don't trust any of these junky power supplies. It's just not worth the risk of burning your house down. Something like a
GST90A15-P1M or GST90A19-P1M should work for Mean Well. I replaced mine with a GlobTek.



If I remember correctly, the heatsink needs be less than 5mm tall. This is the one I use.
Thanks for the suggestions. Indeed, don’t want the risk. I’ve been looking at the GST90A15-P1M but it’s output is 6A. Whereas my current is at 8A. Maybe a complete n00b question, but shouldn’t it be equal or more (the replacing power supply)?