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beisser

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why would you turn off e-cores?
that would make the pentium 8505 a 1 core machine which is utterly worthless :)
same for the i5 and i7 versions.

the e-cores do the same stuff as the p-cores just slower.
at least i havent seen any issues with it at all.
 

STHUserB

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Hi, great thread and thank you to all that have provided so much information. I am looking at the CWWK Pentium Gold 8505 unit to use as a bare-metal pfSense router. I hope folks might have some feedback/experiences for the following questions.

1. What maximum OpenVPN client session speeds have you seen? (also any max performance information with WireGuard would be useful).
2. Looking at the forum posts, some folks getting higher temps with pfSense, does that translate to 15w-55w of power draw typically? (@iceman_jkh did you have any success with tunables for pfsense?)

Thanks all
 

weiyiaw85

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Hi, great thread and thank you to all that have provided so much information. I am looking at the CWWK Pentium Gold 8505 unit to use as a bare-metal pfSense router. I hope folks might have some feedback/experiences for the following questions.

1. What maximum OpenVPN client session speeds have you seen? (also any max performance information with WireGuard would be useful).
2. Looking at the forum posts, some folks getting higher temps with pfSense, does that translate to 15w-55w of power draw typically? (@iceman_jkh did you have any success with tunables for pfsense?)

Thanks all
8505 only use for pfsense router it will overkill or not ?
why not consider run in VM to fully utilise the box ?
 

iceman_jkh

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Hi, great thread and thank you to all that have provided so much information. I am looking at the CWWK Pentium Gold 8505 unit to use as a bare-metal pfSense router. I hope folks might have some feedback/experiences for the following questions.

1. What maximum OpenVPN client session speeds have you seen? (also any max performance information with WireGuard would be useful).
2. Looking at the forum posts, some folks getting higher temps with pfSense, does that translate to 15w-55w of power draw typically? (@iceman_jkh did you have any success with tunables for pfsense?)

Thanks all
After using fta's hw bios, my temps are much better and my CPU clocks aren't locked at 2.4Ghz. It's definitely an improvement.
My temps are between 40-70C, but mainly sit around 42C.

I'm hoping to hear more info from fta, skamikes, etc. about where (in the bios) they made those changes, so I can try it too.
 

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TCC Offset: Location? Value?

Advanced>Thermal Configuration>Cpu Thermal Configuration>Tcc Activation Offset

That's the BIOS setting. I actually set this in my boot script (on Linux). It's an offset from 100C. For example, 10 would set the max temp to 90C. 20 would set the max temp to 80C, etc.

TCC Offset Time Window: Location? Value? (note: must be set to non-zero value)

Advanced>Thermal Configuration>Cpu Thermal Configuration>Tcc Offset Time Window

Tcc Offset Time Window must be non-zero for the offset to be turned on. This is how long the running average has to be above your offset before triggering throttling. In the range of 1 to 3 seconds should be appropriate.

PL1/PL2: Location? Value?
I set these in my boot script. I don't know how to set things at runtime for freebsd. I'm only familiar with linux. Since I'm using the Tcc Offset to do the appropriate throttling, I set these to the max: 55W for both (which is 55000000 in linux because it's units of microwatts).
 

STHUserB

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8505 only use for pfsense router it will overkill or not ?
why not consider run in VM to fully utilise the box ?
Hi, I agree that it could be used for multiple purposes but have two reasons to run bare metal pfsense currently:

1) want to ensure the performance for OpenVPN is maximised.
2) keep the configuration as simple as possible.

However might explore running pfsense within a hypervisor if there spare compute performance at a later date.
 

weiyiaw85

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Hi, I agree that it could be used for multiple purposes but have two reasons to run bare metal pfsense currently:

1) want to ensure the performance for OpenVPN is maximised.
2) keep the configuration as simple as possible.

However might explore running pfsense within a hypervisor if there spare compute performance at a later date.
I think as long you get more RAM should be able to cater multiple purposes / VMs

personally I'm considering N305 or I5-1235 or 13700H
 

beisser

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i have the 8505 unit and this is what im running right now:

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as you can see the cpu is pretty bored, even with all the stuff im running on it.

using it just for pfsense would absolutely be overkill :)

this is my opnsense vm on this box running a 100mbit pppoe vdsl line:

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as you can see its not really eating any cpu.
im only doing basic NAT though with no extras.
 

slidermike

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@fta do you know where or if these can be set in the bios?
Some of us are using proxmox and any of your performance enhancements we can do in the bios is welcome.
PL1/PL2: Location? Value?
I set these in my boot script. I don't know how to set things at runtime for freebsd. I'm only familiar with linux. Since I'm using the Tcc Offset to do the appropriate throttling, I set these to the max: 55W for both (which is 55000000 in linux because it's units of microwatts).
 
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weiyiaw85

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btw considering N305 more cpu more
i have the 8505 unit and this is what im running right now:

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as you can see the cpu is pretty bored, even with all the stuff im running on it.

using it just for pfsense would absolutely be overkill :)

this is my opnsense vm on this box running a 100mbit pppoe vdsl line:

View attachment 29090

as you can see its not really eating any cpu.
im only doing basic NAT though with no extras.
Wow , good sharing .
mean that in VM environment importantly is the memory , not CPU
do you have experience with Snort IDS/IPS ? will consume CPU or not ? because doing packet inspection
 

beisser

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IPS of any kind will of course draw extra cpu power and not just a little.
depending on your internet-speed it can even overwhelm the cpu.
i am almost certain that 8505 wont cope with the load if you run full IPS with a 2.5 gbit line speed.
it will most likely bottleneck you.

i have tried sensei in IDS mode on opnsense for a few weeks and disabled it again.
while the additional visibility is nice, the additional resourceconsumption isnt worth it for me and my homenetwork :)
 

weiyiaw85

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IPS of any kind will of course draw extra cpu power and not just a little.
depending on your internet-speed it can even overwhelm the cpu.
i am almost certain that 8505 wont cope with the load if you run full IPS with a 2.5 gbit line speed.
it will most likely bottleneck you.

i have tried sensei in IDS mode on opnsense for a few weeks and disabled it again.
while the additional visibility is nice, the additional resourceconsumption isnt worth it for me and my homenetwork :)
even your 8505 not able to cater the IDS mode consumption ?
 

beisser

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the resource requirements for IDS and IPS scale with your internet speed.
i only have a comparatively slow 100/40 Mbit Internet Line.
the 8505 has no issue with that at all.
like i said i can see in the promox resource graphs that with enable IDS my opnsense VM draws more cpu power.
in the monthly statistics on proxmox you can see my trial period of IDS:

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you can take a guess when i tested it and when i turned it off :)
Ignore the spike, that was an issue with opnsense.

what im saying is that with increased internet-speed the load on the opnsense or pfsense will increase too and enabling IDS increases this further.
 

beisser

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oh one more thing. IDS/IPS needs a lot more memory than just plain firewall mode.
the firewall i can run on 2GB of ram easily with room to spare, for IDS it is recommended to use no less than 8GB of ram.
in the end i didnt want to waste 25% of my machines ram for the firewall-vm in addition to the increased cpu consumption.
 

fway

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Got mine going:

Code:
                          PassMark PerformanceTest Linux


12th Gen Intel Core i7-1265U (x86_64)
10 cores @ 4800 MHz  |  62.6 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 12  |  Test Iterations: 1  |  Test Duration: Medium
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CPU Mark:                          19073
  Integer Math                     63361 Million Operations/s
  Floating Point Math              41405 Million Operations/s
  Prime Numbers                    51.6 Million Primes/s
  Sorting                          31975 Thousand Strings/s
  Encryption                       15032 MB/s
  Compression                      209662 KB/s
  CPU Single Threaded              3508 Million Operations/s
  Physics                          1145 Frames/s
  Extended Instructions (SSE)      11065 Million Matrices/s

Memory Mark:                       3292
  Database Operations              6525 Thousand Operations/s
  Memory Read Cached               31780 MB/s
  Memory Read Uncached             20734 MB/s
  Memory Write                     15558 MB/s
  Available RAM                    62211 Megabytes
  Memory Latency                   45 Nanoseconds
  Memory Threaded                  41570 MB/s
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Results submitted: PassMark Software - Display Baseline ID# 5038784
 

fway

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One more tweak...changed AC Loadline in BIOS to 100 (was set to 0).

Code:
                          PassMark PerformanceTest Linux


12th Gen Intel Core i7-1265U (x86_64)
10 cores @ 4800 MHz  |  62.6 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 12  |  Test Iterations: 1  |  Test Duration: Medium
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Mark:                          19611
  Integer Math                     65354 Million Operations/s
  Floating Point Math              41394 Million Operations/s
  Prime Numbers                    51.7 Million Primes/s
  Sorting                          29429 Thousand Strings/s
  Encryption                       14463 MB/s
  Compression                      234418 KB/s
  CPU Single Threaded              3507 Million Operations/s
  Physics                          1207 Frames/s
  Extended Instructions (SSE)      12188 Million Matrices/s

Memory Mark:                       3383
  Database Operations              6698 Thousand Operations/s
  Memory Read Cached               31208 MB/s
  Memory Read Uncached             21096 MB/s
  Memory Write                     15881 MB/s
  Available RAM                    62451 Megabytes
  Memory Latency                   42 Nanoseconds
  Memory Threaded                  42407 MB/s
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Running Linux Mint 21.1 "Vera" Cinnamon with everything.
 
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fway

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Finally got it to crack over 20k:

Code:
                          PassMark PerformanceTest Linux


12th Gen Intel Core i7-1265U (x86_64)
10 cores @ 4800 MHz  |  62.6 GiB RAM
Number of Processes: 12  |  Test Iterations: 1  |  Test Duration: Medium
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Mark:                          20130
  Integer Math                     64188 Million Operations/s
  Floating Point Math              41323 Million Operations/s
  Prime Numbers                    51.8 Million Primes/s
  Sorting                          32474 Thousand Strings/s
  Encryption                       16115 MB/s
  Compression                      241701 KB/s
  CPU Single Threaded              3507 Million Operations/s
  Physics                          1263 Frames/s
  Extended Instructions (SSE)      12132 Million Matrices/s

Memory Mark:                       3343
  Database Operations              6688 Thousand Operations/s
  Memory Read Cached               30928 MB/s
  Memory Read Uncached             21164 MB/s
  Memory Write                     15851 MB/s
  Available RAM                    62055 Megabytes
  Memory Latency                   43 Nanoseconds
  Memory Threaded                  42260 MB/s
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Results submitted: PassMark Software - Display Baseline ID# 50
 

fta

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@fta do you know where or if these can be set in the bios?
Some of us are using proxmox and any of your performance enhancements we can do in the bios is welcome.

I set these in my boot script. I don't know how to set things at runtime for freebsd. I'm only familiar with linux. Since I'm using the Tcc Offset to do the appropriate throttling, I set these to the max: 55W for both (which is 55000000 in linux because it's units of microwatts).
I run proxmox. My script will set up everything you need. You'll need to install the powercap-utils package before running the script.