I got a 6650 because I wanted bgp as well as 10Gb ports counts.
I think I gave up on it, will use 7250 stack for 10Gb ports, and use SRX as bgp router for kubernetes.
Brocade ICX Series (cheap & powerful 10gbE/40gbE switching)
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I think I gave up on it, will use 7250 stack for 10Gb ports, and use SRX as bgp router for kubernetes.
The 6610 ASIC will melt...ive watched transceiver temperatures go up to 55-60 degree celsius and cpu up to 65-70, with stock cooling.
they are routers, how many routes do you need to take? or do you mean firewall? (NAT etc)
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while my switch is booting, this message comes up:
Starting kernel ...
bcmiproc-gmac 18023000.ethernet: can't find MAC address
Is that normal? The switch boots otherwise.
Also, when I run the command to license the 8x10g ports, I get a message re: an evaluation of 45 days. Does the latest firmware still utilize honor based licensing and will the ports be 10 gig after the 45 days? This is used in a lab so it's not in production or used to make money.
while my switch is booting, this message comes up:
Starting kernel ...
bcmiproc-gmac 18023000.ethernet: can't find MAC address
Is that normal? The switch boots otherwise.
Also, when I run the command to license the 8x10g ports, I get a message re: an evaluation of 45 days. Does the latest firmware still utilize honor based licensing and will the ports be 10 gig after the 45 days? This is used in a lab so it's not in production or used to make money.
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And I'm 100% sure you're wrong. I've actually seen photos my guys took of Brocade FCX648S-HPOE switches after they caught fire, and saw one that had burned out myself. The 6610s and the FCX line use extremely similar hardware. I can't say I've seen the same of the 6610s, but that's because we don't use them at work - we jumped straight to ICX7450s.
Now, having seen burned out Brocade switches before, you might wonder why I'm still a fan of these things. The reason is simple - They STILL WORKED. Yes, I had a total of four incidents, one of which involved two switches in the same stack, that resulted in literally scorched and charred circuit boards, but the switches were still operating. In these cases, they were PoE boards, but even so.
They've had their problems over the years, but being built fragile is not really one of them.
Any idea what a typical idle temp is for the ICX7250? The air coming from the rear of the switch is cool-ish, not very warm, but the heatsink for the main ASIC is rather warm, not hot but not comfortable either if you set your hand on it for a couple of minutes. I am just wondering I guess what the operating temperature specification range is for it and if it's going to be naturally higher than your traditional desktop or server CPU.
I've tried searching this thread, and browsing a dozen or so pages...
Can someone tell me if "PoE" is PoE+? E.g. 48V not for 24V like for Ubiquiti's newer AC Pro and AP AC HD?
These sound awesome... I just picked up my Mikrotik 24 port PoE+ + 4x 10Gbps cages, and was looking at their newer 10 Gbps 10GbaseT switch for $500.
But after finding these, I'm debating selling the NIB Mikrotik for a couple of these.
My only issue is my desktop, and two laptops, are already have 10GBaseT RJ45 10Gbps - so I need an inexpensive RJ45 10Gbps solution at my switch with VLANs.
Can someone tell me if "PoE" is PoE+? E.g. 48V not for 24V like for Ubiquiti's newer AC Pro and AP AC HD?
These sound awesome... I just picked up my Mikrotik 24 port PoE+ + 4x 10Gbps cages, and was looking at their newer 10 Gbps 10GbaseT switch for $500.
But after finding these, I'm debating selling the NIB Mikrotik for a couple of these.
My only issue is my desktop, and two laptops, are already have 10GBaseT RJ45 10Gbps - so I need an inexpensive RJ45 10Gbps solution at my switch with VLANs.
The PoE variants of both the 6450 and 6610 supply 802.3at Power over Ethernet Plus (PoE+). You're better off looking up data sheets for this type of info.
I am currently using Mikrotik S+RJ10 modules both a 6450 and 6610 without issues to convert SFP+ to 10Gbase-T. They are pretty cheap, and as long as you don't need too many you'll come out ahead.
I wanted BGP to pair my physical network with a Kubernetes cluster running Calico networking (no IPIP, VXLAN, or NAT required). On my current 6610, not only did I get this working in about 15 minutes, but I was able to redistribute the routes to other parts of my network via OSPF. Basically all of your cluster IPs are part of your normal infrastructure, allowing you to set policy both within the cluster and at the network layer. It's pretty cool.
When I drop this to a 6450, I've decided to just do router-on-a-stick with a Mikrotik RB4011, which on its single SFP+ port can route 10gb/s on that one port (I've tested it) and supports BGP. I'll then have it redistribute the routes via OSPF to the rest of the network, which the 6450 will manage. All of my nodes have a separate interface to my storage VLAN, so that won't hit the Mikrotik, so the Mikrotik will really only be routing traffic that enters/leaves the cluster...and 10gb/s should be plenty enough for this for me.
That said, BGP support in the 7250 or 6450 would have eliminated a device and some complexity. The 6610 is incredible and is less than 40db from the next room, but it draws too much attention from the wife when she enters that room (~55db), so this is my current plan... though there is a part of me thinking about trying to swap in a rev b power supply. It would be good if someone can post noise measurement of a 6610 operating with one of those... I feel like I'm just at the borderline of acceptability.
Clayton
This is mine at idle.
The stack unit 1 chassis info:
Power supply 1 (AC - Regular) present, status ok
Power supply 2 not present
Fan ok, speed (auto): [[1]]<->2
Fan controlled temperature: 75.6 deg-C
Fan speed switching temperature thresholds:
Speed 1: NM<----->98 deg-C
Speed 2: 67<----->105 deg-C (shutdown)
Fan 1 Air Flow Direction: Front to Back
Slot 1 Current Temperature: 75.6 deg-C (Sensor 1)
Slot 2 Current Temperature: NA
Warning level.......: 100.0 deg-C
Shutdown level......: 105.0 deg-C
Exact same reason I got a 6650. My 6650 comes with redundant rev B PSU, they are loud even in a separate room.I wanted BGP to pair my physical network with a Kubernetes cluster running Calico networking (no IPIP, VXLAN, or NAT required). On my current 6610, not only did I get this working in about 15 minutes, but I was able to redistribute the routes to other parts of my network via OSPF. Basically all of your cluster IPs are part of your normal infrastructure, allowing you to set policy both within the cluster and at the network layer. It's pretty cool.
When I drop this to a 6450, I've decided to just do router-on-a-stick with a Mikrotik RB4011, which on its single SFP+ port can route 10gb/s on that one port (I've tested it) and supports BGP. I'll then have it redistribute the routes via OSPF to the rest of the network, which the 6450 will manage. All of my nodes have a separate interface to my storage VLAN, so that won't hit the Mikrotik, so the Mikrotik will really only be routing traffic that enters/leaves the cluster...and 10gb/s should be plenty enough for this for me.
That said, BGP support in the 7250 or 6450 would have eliminated a device and some complexity. The 6610 is incredible and is less than 40db from the next room, but it draws too much attention from the wife when she enters that room (~55db), so this is my current plan... though there is a part of me thinking about trying to swap in a rev b power supply. It would be good if someone can post noise measurement of a 6610 operating with one of those... I feel like I'm just at the borderline of acceptability.
Clayton
I gave up now until I can put a AC unit int the room and close the door.
I'll configure my SRX300 or F5 to be BGP router for kubernetes.
As said, it supports both standards. Ive been running a Unifi AP-HD attached to a 6450-24P, so it works with Unifi Gear.
Just to clarify this. It supports standardized IEEE 802.3af and 802.3at Power over Ethernet specifications. It does NOT support the passive, non-standardized 24V PoE that Ubiquiti used early on for the UAP-AC-Lite and UAP-AC-LR (and I believe some of their cameras too). If you have an old UAP-AC-LITE or -LR, you may not be able to power off of these switches.
However, there are converter modules you can get and you can always use a power injector. If you got one of those any time in the last year or so, you're probably okay. Check around on the Ubiquiti forums and they may be able to get you a date code or serial number checker that will tell you what it supports.
Awesome thread, many thanks to fohdeesha! Outstanding docs and info here and his website.
Bought a 6450-48P from eBay a couple of months back and stuck it top-of-my-home-rack. Was working great until I discovered that the POE was only intermittently working (and I was out of return policy). I'll be posting this 6450 for sale as it works 100% without the POE, essentially a 6450-48.
Today I bought a 7250-48P and looking forward to getting it in! The ease of licensing and the overkill on 10G ports will be nice. I have about 36 drops in my house now, and will run fiber 10G to my detached garage at some point. At these prices and features, why not!? I moved 8 POE IP cams over from the NVR directly to the switch to help admin and VLAN them and this switch will work well for it all.
Bought a 6450-48P from eBay a couple of months back and stuck it top-of-my-home-rack. Was working great until I discovered that the POE was only intermittently working (and I was out of return policy). I'll be posting this 6450 for sale as it works 100% without the POE, essentially a 6450-48.
Today I bought a 7250-48P and looking forward to getting it in! The ease of licensing and the overkill on 10G ports will be nice. I have about 36 drops in my house now, and will run fiber 10G to my detached garage at some point. At these prices and features, why not!? I moved 8 POE IP cams over from the NVR directly to the switch to help admin and VLAN them and this switch will work well for it all.
Uh oh! My new 7250-48P is from g-electronic. They have a bad track record of selling busted junk or?
yeah you could say that, I'd say about 90% of the units with bad PoE in this thread are from them