2.5Gb/ SFP+ uplink / POE+ managed switch landscape is frustrating right now.

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sic0048

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Vendors also don't care about density what people want, they're busy bringing "cloud" nonsense.
Manufactures build products that are going to be in demand and sell well. In addition, most switch manufacturers are focusing on the business market, not the home market, and therefore don't cater their products to that we might need/desire. Even the manufactures that sell to the home user cater to what the average home users is looking for (ie the 99%, not the 1%). Most users on this forum would certainly be "fringe" or "cutting edge" home users (the 1%) and honestly there aren't a lot of products being produced for our needs/desires.

Long story short, the average home user is just beginning to see a need for a switch with port capacity greater than 1gb which is why we are just beginning to see these switches hit home market.
 

flipper203

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I just received a TL-SG3210XHP-M2. What are these crap fans, the noise is far louder than my nas that is in the same cabinet !!!! I can't keep such a noisy switch in my living room! I am a bit disapointed
 

NWA

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So these are our choices:
  • Zyxel XMG1915-10E(P) alt. XGS1210-12 with too few 2.5g ports
  • Tplink TL-SG3210XHP-M2
  • Ubiqiti USW-Enterprise-8-PoE
  • MikroTik CRS310-8G+2S+IN
  • Qnap QSW-M2108-2C
I've got Zyxel XMG1915-10EP in the end. Couldn't stand Ubiqiti consumption or Tplink helicopter noise. So here are the impressions: device is tiny. Device is dead silent. Not extraordinary hot. Connected two 25gbit machines to it and it delivers nice 9.7Gbit between them. Also connected 6 2.5gbit devices, and the total consumption is 15W. Not like 21W on Ubiqiti when disconnected. Better than Mikrotik which starts at 10W disconnected. But still, it's generally a high base, so if you want to reduce consumption, consider no PoE or nonmanaged model. There you can drop to very low levels (e.g. XMG-108 1.56W min 9.12W max). Device shows port status in a LED matrix instead of hiding LEDs under ports which is a great idea - you cannot miss the status. The software has a good chunk of functionality, slightly above XMG1930 model (without subscription). I like DHCP, IGMP, VLAN and port pollicing. Auto power off shows power reduction on my meter by just unplugging devices. Nebula nonsense can be turned off and then it no longer calls anywhere on internet. There are two boot/config slots just like on WRT routers. You can use Juniper language in SSH. The UI is nice but it's an old classic style of showing tons of pages with minimal interconnection and no refresh. Not even showing your port names on pages. Login session can fail due to "double login" sometimes. Minimal firmware updates exist. Boot is not very fast.
So half price of Ubiqity, PoE++ on whopping 8 ports, ideal density, low profile, short, great performance, and one of the best power consumptions on the market.

Calling home analysis
NTP was localized. The only remaining connection was made to d.nebula.zyxel.com after boot when "NCC discovery" was on. That's the first thing to turn off to avoid any telemetry. It's on by default. Remember to "Save" the settings.
 
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Borromini

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@NWA Do you happen to own the XMG-108? If so, would you mind checking the internals to see what SoC it uses? Kind of hoping it's a Realtek one.
 

bugacha

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I just received a TL-SG3210XHP-M2. What are these crap fans, the noise is far louder than my nas that is in the same cabinet !!!! I can't keep such a noisy switch in my living room! I am a bit disapointed
This is expected

Change to Noctua and don't look back
 

latezx

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I just picked up an XMG1915 POE - I'm extremely impressed so far. Amazon has been running them for 249 USD.
 

ahtoh

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I've got Zyxel XMG1915-10EP in the end. Couldn't stand Ubiqiti consumption or Tplink helicopter noise. So here are the impressions: device is tiny. Device is dead silent. Not extraordinary hot. Connected two 25gbit machines to it and it delivers nice 9.7Gbit between them. Also connected 6 2.5gbit devices, and the total consumption is 15W. Not like 21W on Ubiqiti when disconnected. Better than Mikrotik which starts at 10W disconnected. But still, it's generally a high base, so if you want to reduce consumption, consider no PoE or nonmanaged model. There you can drop to very low levels (e.g. XMG-108 1.56W min 9.12W max). Device shows port status in a LED matrix instead of hiding LEDs under ports which is a great idea - you cannot miss the status. The software has a good chunk of functionality, slightly above XMG1930 model (without subscription). I like DHCP, IGMP, VLAN and port pollicing. Auto power off shows power reduction on my meter by just unplugging devices. Nebula nonsense can be turned off and then it no longer calls anywhere on internet. There are two boot/config slots just like on WRT routers. You can use Juniper language in SSH. The UI is nice but it's an old classic style of showing tons of pages with minimal interconnection and no refresh. Not even showing your port names on pages. Login session can fail due to "double login" sometimes. Minimal firmware updates exist. Boot is not very fast.
So half price of Ubiqity, PoE++ on whopping 8 ports, ideal density, low profile, short, great performance, and one of the best power consumptions on the market.

Calling home analysis
NTP was localized. The only remaining connection was made to d.nebula.zyxel.com after boot when "NCC discovery" was on. That's the first thing to turn off to avoid any telemetry. It's on by default. Remember to "Save" the settings.
why didn't you consider Trendnet TPE-3102WS ?
POE+ only but 240W total budget
 

Borromini

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@ahtoh I believe it's a Realtek 9302 SoC, the XMG1915-10E (without PoE++) is built around that SoC. Little reason to assume the PoE++ version would be a different board altogether, makes no sense.
 
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will.murnane

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For what it’s worth, I just ordered this to solve my version of this problem:
8 ports of 1/2.5/5/10g, 16 more 1g, all with 30w poe+ and Cisco-specific upoe (60w) plus four sfp+ ports. Hard to beat for $145 shipped. I was looking for a dell N2224px but looked for alternatives on a whim and was shocked to find something reasonable from Cisco. I’ll post back if it’s a jet engine or a power hog or something, but this seems like a great improvement over my current Mikotik CRS328 and Yuanley 8x2.5 switches. Cheaper than either, but able to handle my whole network with room to spare, and an upgrade to 10gbps for my one access point that handles that speed, and 10g-baset ports for servers and workstations.
 

ScottZ

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I grabbed this "RealHD" switch for just under $300 during Prime days.
24 2.5gbps, 20 are POE+, 4 are POE++
2 10G SFP

Runs KT-NOS firmware v1.1.1.28
Web interface is mostly responsive, but cumbersome if you like to configure Edge ports and VLANs.
I can enable ssh/telnet via config import, but cannot login , telnet and ssh services repsond but don't prompt for passwd.
No built in console port, maybe one on the PCB.
So far it has worked well paired with Unifi APs and Cloud Gateway Fiber, but my deployment is still being configured.
 

fabricist

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For what it’s worth, I just ordered this to solve my version of this problem:
8 ports of 1/2.5/5/10g, 16 more 1g, all with 30w poe+ and Cisco-specific upoe (60w) plus four sfp+ ports. Hard to beat for $145 shipped. I was looking for a dell N2224px but looked for alternatives on a whim and was shocked to find something reasonable from Cisco. I’ll post back if it’s a jet engine or a power hog or something, but this seems like a great improvement over my current Mikotik CRS328 and Yuanley 8x2.5 switches. Cheaper than either, but able to handle my whole network with room to spare, and an upgrade to 10gbps for my one access point that handles that speed, and 10g-baset ports for servers and workstations.
Yeah, I also went with this model from Cisco, could get it for 95$ on the bay (shipped to CH for 160$ total...), as you said hard to beat. It came with the 1150W PS (loud). Unfortunately: jet engine: yes, power hog: yes. I experimented with various fans as replacement, to reduce noise and power consumption, but none of what I tried would work witch the fan control circuitry of the switch. In the end I used these fans (sunon HA40201V4-1000U-A99 ,non PWM) and I just connected the PWM pin to the tacho pin. So the switch now always thinks the fan is ok.

I also changed the PS to the 715W one. With the new fans and new PS the switch is much less noisy, not silent by any means, but still much better then before. With the modifications and nothing plugged in (I am still setting it up) I see this, with around 30°C ambient temp:

Code:
Switch>show env all
Switch 1 FAN 1 is OK
Switch 1 FAN 2 is OK
Switch 1 FAN 3 is OK
FAN PS-1 is OK
FAN PS-2 is NOT PRESENT
Switch 1: SYSTEM TEMPERATURE is OK
Inlet Temperature Value: 31 Degree Celsius
Temperature State: GREEN
Yellow Threshold : 46 Degree Celsius
Red Threshold    : 56 Degree Celsius

ASIC Temperature Value: 54 Degree Celsius
Temperature State: GREEN
Yellow Threshold : 105 Degree Celsius
Red Threshold    : 125 Degree Celsius
SW  PID                 Serial#     Status           Sys Pwr  PoE Pwr  Watts
--  ------------------  ----------  ---------------  -------  -------  -----
1A  PWR-C1-715WAC       LIT21102E94  OK              Good     Good     715
1B  Not Present

SW  Status          RPS Name          RPS Serial#  RPS Port#
--  -------------   ----------------  -----------  ---------
I did not measure the power consumption, but by the heat it produces, I would assume to be at least 100W at idle...

Is there any ios command to show the power consumption?
 

ahtoh

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110.0W idle,
this is not for home, it will cost you thousands over years just for electricity cost
Not to mention it's way to deep for a network depth rack
no wonder they sell it for pennies, I would not take it free
 
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