1.5TB Intel P4800X U.2 for 400$
Will post SMART data when I receive mine.
EDIT: Marked deal as expired.
Will post SMART data when I receive mine.
EDIT: Marked deal as expired.
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EXPIRED 1.5TB Intel P4800X U.2 $400
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Nice find!
Note, listing says $10 shipping for me to CA.
Also, note 905p is $400 new on Newegg right now: https://www.newegg.com/intel-optane-905p-1-5tb/p/N82E16820167505 Drive specs list different endurance ratings, but afaik hardware is rumored to be the same under the hood.
Note, listing says $10 shipping for me to CA.
Also, note 905p is $400 new on Newegg right now: https://www.newegg.com/intel-optane-905p-1-5tb/p/N82E16820167505 Drive specs list different endurance ratings, but afaik hardware is rumored to be the same under the hood.
There was a $20 off coupon on the Newegg drive last week, so it does go on sale. I don’t think this eBay drive is a good deal.
I have seen several 905p drives with degraded health after really not very many writes, a small p4800x would, for example, be barely exercised at 200TB, but this screenshot from a current ebay listing suggests that there really is a hardware difference.
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Regarding the 905P 1.5TB NewEgg deal, the drive I bought did not come in retail packaging, and the serial number did not register on Intel's website.
I also bought 2 960gb 905P drives also from NewEgg 2 years ago, both of those have valid warranties on Intel's site and came in retail packaging.
I also bought 2 960gb 905P drives also from NewEgg 2 years ago, both of those have valid warranties on Intel's site and came in retail packaging.
Was it "Sold & Shipped By Newegg"? If so, and it still didn't come in retail packaging, that seems... fishy!?
Yep, it was Sold & Shipped by NewEgg.
Came in one of those plastic clamshells like the ones Solidigm are using for shipping their current U.2 drives.
I agree there is definitely a hardware difference (specs show 10DWPD for the 905P and 30DWPD for the P4800X), but HDSentinel uses the same algorithm for SSDs as it does for spinning disks. So, using even 1% of spare space can drop a drive from 80%+ on health down to less than 30% health, if you are using the "strict (for servers)" setting.
This is because a spinning disk with a couple dozen reallocated sectors really is heading towards losing data, but on an SSD, it's no big deal. Especially when there are still 200-300 spare blocks available, and the spare usage percentage is well below the drive usage percentage. In my case, I had Intel SSDs with 20% lifetime data writes over about 2 years of power on time, and about 1% of spare used. With "strict" set, I got 27% health. Without it, I got 76% health.
That said, the drives in your screenshot have about 200 total drive writes over 3 years, which is 0.18DWPD. That's barely consumer level endurance. Are we sure those are real 905P drives?
I've never used anything but smartctl, so I assumed this windows util showed the same SMART lifetime attribute, good to know it just comes up with something basically random instead. The seller has since added a screenshot from smartctl that shows the drive is perfectly fine, so that makes me feel better about the 905p series: Intel Optane SSD 905P 960GB SSDPED1D960GAY PCIE NVME **READ** | eBay (not that I think this is a great price.)
I posted at their forum, and I'm hoping they listen and modify the algorithm for SSDs. For hard drives, HDSentinel is a much better indicator than smartctl, because it takes into account multiple SMART counters and turns them into much more human-readable information.
But, the problem is that SSDs use a completely different physical layout where spare space use is expected, and using it doesn't slow down the drive, and retired blocks don't tend to lead to neighbor blocks failing. Plus there are different SMART counters with different meanings. Then, too, many SSDs are now NVMe, which don't have a true SMART API, but have similar information available. With most of my drives being SAS (again, no SMART) and NVMe, I get a lot less value out of HDSentinel than I used to.
Drive came in today, and seller sent a NetApp OEM 1.6TB P5800x Engineering Sample instead?!?
Drive came pre-formatted to 512 bit sectors, so it was directly usable out of the box.
A bit concerning that only 75% of spare blocks are available, but drive hasn't logged any media and integrity errors.
Also comes with FW "NQ00", don't know if anyone has access to firmware updates for this drive?
Smartctl output:
Drive came pre-formatted to 512 bit sectors, so it was directly usable out of the box.
A bit concerning that only 75% of spare blocks are available, but drive hasn't logged any media and integrity errors.
Also comes with FW "NQ00", don't know if anyone has access to firmware updates for this drive?
Smartctl output:
Code:
mint@mint:~$ sudo smartctl --all /dev/nvme3
smartctl 7.2 2020-12-30 r5155 [x86_64-linux-5.15.0-76-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-20, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Number: 0X91751190053310INT00P5800X0001T61000000
Serial Number: REDACTED
Firmware Version: NQ00
PCI Vendor ID: 0x8086
PCI Vendor Subsystem ID: 0x1275
IEEE OUI Identifier: 0x5cd2e4
Total NVM Capacity: 1,600,321,314,816 [1.60 TB]
Unallocated NVM Capacity: 0
Controller ID: 0
NVMe Version: 1.3
Number of Namespaces: 128
Local Time is: Thu Mar 7 03:07:33 2024 UTC
Firmware Updates (0x18): 4 Slots, no Reset required
Optional Admin Commands (0x001e): Format Frmw_DL NS_Mngmt Self_Test
Optional NVM Commands (0x004e): Wr_Unc DS_Mngmt Wr_Zero Timestmp
Log Page Attributes (0x1e): Cmd_Eff_Lg Ext_Get_Lg Telmtry_Lg Pers_Ev_Lg
Maximum Data Transfer Size: 32 Pages
Warning Comp. Temp. Threshold: 70 Celsius
Critical Comp. Temp. Threshold: 80 Celsius
Supported Power States
St Op Max Active Idle RL RT WL WT Ent_Lat Ex_Lat
0 + 22.00W - - 0 0 0 0 0 0
1 + 20.00W - - 0 1 0 1 0 0
2 + 18.00W - - 0 2 0 2 0 0
=== START OF SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02)
Critical Warning: 0x00
Temperature: 23 Celsius
Available Spare: 75%
Available Spare Threshold: 0%
Percentage Used: 0%
Data Units Read: 303,055,113 [155 TB]
Data Units Written: 14,274,089 [7.30 TB]
Host Read Commands: 1,328,685,698
Host Write Commands: 317,187,650
Controller Busy Time: 515
Power Cycles: 51
Power On Hours: 9,783
Unsafe Shutdowns: 41
Media and Data Integrity Errors: 0
Error Information Log Entries: 0
Warning Comp. Temperature Time: 0
Critical Comp. Temperature Time: 0
Error Information (NVMe Log 0x01, 16 of 256 entries)
No Errors Logged
mint@mint:~$ sudo nvme id-ns -H /dev/nvme3n1
NVME Identify Namespace 1:
LBA Format 0 : Metadata Size: 0 bytes - Data Size: 512 bytes - Relative Performance: 0x2 Good (in use)
LBA Format 1 : Metadata Size: 8 bytes - Data Size: 512 bytes - Relative Performance: 0x2 Good
LBA Format 2 : Metadata Size: 0 bytes - Data Size: 4096 bytes - Relative Performance: 0x2 Good
LBA Format 3 : Metadata Size: 8 bytes - Data Size: 4096 bytes - Relative Performance: 0x2 Good
LBA Format 4 : Metadata Size: 64 bytes - Data Size: 4096 bytes - Relative Performance: 0x2 Goodoptane also has rather pathetic power-off data retention even by SSD standards, it's not a problem for server use at all but I've wondered what would happen with consumers who pull a drive and leave it on a shelf for a year or two. That might well show up as bad blocks too.
Cool, I just got mine as well for comparison.
It looks like there is a firmware update tool here: Intel® SSD Firmware Update Tool
Code:
❯ smartctl -a /dev/disk7
smartctl 7.4 2023-08-01 r5530 [Darwin 23.4.0 x86_64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-23, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Number: 0X91751190053310INT00P5800X0001T61000000
Serial Number: REDACTED
Firmware Version: NQ00
PCI Vendor ID: 0x8086
PCI Vendor Subsystem ID: 0x1275
IEEE OUI Identifier: 0x5cd2e4
Total NVM Capacity: 1,600,321,314,816 [1.60 TB]
Unallocated NVM Capacity: 0
Controller ID: 0
NVMe Version: 1.3
Number of Namespaces: 128
Local Time is: Sat Apr 6 13:18:27 2024 MDT
Firmware Updates (0x18): 4 Slots, no Reset required
Optional Admin Commands (0x001e): Format Frmw_DL NS_Mngmt Self_Test
Optional NVM Commands (0x004e): Wr_Unc DS_Mngmt Wr_Zero Timestmp
Log Page Attributes (0x1e): Cmd_Eff_Lg Ext_Get_Lg Telmtry_Lg Pers_Ev_Lg
Maximum Data Transfer Size: 32 Pages
Warning Comp. Temp. Threshold: 70 Celsius
Critical Comp. Temp. Threshold: 80 Celsius
Supported Power States
St Op Max Active Idle RL RT WL WT Ent_Lat Ex_Lat
0 + 22.00W - - 0 0 0 0 0 0
1 + 20.00W - - 0 1 0 1 0 0
2 + 18.00W - - 0 2 0 2 0 0
=== START OF SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
SMART/Health Information (NVMe Log 0x02)
Critical Warning: 0x00
Temperature: 42 Celsius
Available Spare: 100%
Available Spare Threshold: 0%
Percentage Used: 0%
Data Units Read: 311,804,595 [159 TB]
Data Units Written: 9,403,204 [4.81 TB]
Host Read Commands: 1,240,823,557
Host Write Commands: 202,631,782
Controller Busy Time: 638
Power Cycles: 57
Power On Hours: 12,112
Unsafe Shutdowns: 39
Media and Data Integrity Errors: 0
Error Information Log Entries: 0
Warning Comp. Temperature Time: 0
Critical Comp. Temperature Time: 0
Error Information (NVMe Log 0x01, 16 of 256 entries)
No Errors Logged
Self-test Log (NVMe Log 0x06)
Self-test status: No self-test in progress
No Self-tests LoggedIntel's utility won't update the firmware of the drive, since it is considered an "OEM" drive, with it reporting firmware as "NQ00". But using PowerShell's "Get-StorageFirmwareInformation" cmdlet, it reports the Optane ssd as having "L0310160" and "L0310200" in firmware slots 3 and 4 respectively. I might eventually try loading the generic firmware on the drive, but I don't want to risk turning my SSD into a $2k paperweight just yet.
And since the drive seems to be running the equivalent of generic L0310200 firmware and that there don't seem to be any critical issues resolved in later updates, I'm opting to leave the firmware on my drive as-is for now.
And since the drive seems to be running the equivalent of generic L0310200 firmware and that there don't seem to be any critical issues resolved in later updates, I'm opting to leave the firmware on my drive as-is for now.