(US) 90 dollar Wyse 5070 Thin client/mini-server?

[hmartin]

Can anyone confirm whether the 130W power supply with Dell P/N 0WRHKW (PA-4E) works with a 5070?

They seem a bit more common than the 65/90W variants due to their use with docking stations.

 

[cageek]

Can anyone confirm whether the 130W power supply with Dell P/N 0WRHKW (PA-4E) works with a 5070?

They seem a bit more common than the 65/90W variants due to their use with docking stations.

Power supply bricks - factory shipped (PA numbers are laptop equvalents):

• 130W (PA-13: 19.5V @ 6.70A) - 063P9N (with Extended)
• 90W (PA-10: 19.5V @ 4.62A) - 06KXKH (optional slim upgrade)
• 65W (PA-12: 19.5V @ 3.34A) - 06TM1C (with slim)

The PA-4E seems to be a newer (or older?) replacement of PA-13 and should work. The AMD Radeon E9173 video card sold with the extended has a max. power draw of 35W.

The slim bricks are "squarish" rather than the rounded PA-10/PA-12 style sold with most Dell laptops, but the 130W look identical.

This info. may be old as it was collected over a couple years ago from receipts observed on ebay.

 

[hmartin]

The PA-4E seems to be a newer (or older?) replacement of PA-13 and should work. The AMD Radeon E9173 video card sold with the extended has a max. power draw of 35W.

I believe the PA-4E is older than the PA-13, but concrete info is hard to find. The PA-4E is supposed to be compatible with accessories like the WD19 TB dock, which is from the same time period as the 5070. I am hoping it still has 1-wire on the middle pin and can communicate the wattage to the 5070.

 

[newabc]

I had tried a old 65watts dell laptop power supply on the 5070 extended, with a single m2.nvme to pcie card on the pcie slot. The m2 nvme ssd performed poorly. I changed the power supply back with the stock 130watts power supply, the ssd performed as what it should be.

I also had used a compatible 65 watts dell laptop power supply(non-dell brand) on another 5070 extended, with quad port i340-t4 OEM NIC. pfSense ran on this setup without issue for more than 1 year.

Just tell my experience on the power supplies on 5070 extended.

 

[ru me]

I believe the PA-4E is older than the PA-13, but concrete info is hard to find. The PA-4E is supposed to be compatible with accessories like the WD19 TB dock, which is from the same time period as the 5070. I am hoping it still has 1-wire on the middle pin and can communicate the wattage to the 5070.

The Dell OEM PSUs communicate with the BIOS and if there is not enough power, turbo will be disabled. If you are adventurous, here is a website offering a BIOS which disables the check.

GitHub - KCORES/KCORES-5070: Hacking DELL Wyse 5070

Hacking DELL Wyse 5070. Contribute to KCORES/KCORES-5070 development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

 

[Fritz]

One thing to keep in mind is the cooling sucks, they overheat if you breathe on them. And there's no practical way to improve the cooling.

 

[kwijibo]

Has anyone gotten console redirection via the serial ports to work?

I am running the latest 1.40.0 BIOS on my Extended model, and have tried 9600 and 115200 baud rates using the "P IOIOI" (P for Power or Primary, I assume) and "IOIOI" without success. In the BIOS, I have the primary and secondary serial ports assigned to COM1 and COM2, but have been unable to spot a Console Redirection setting that would potentially enable this. I am using a StarTech ICUSB2321F USB to serial device with built-in null modem, and no additional adapters.

Thanks for reading.

 

[hmartin]

Has anyone gotten console redirection via the serial ports to work?

Serial console redirection for BIOS? Or the OS?

 

[kwijibo]

Serial console redirection for BIOS? Or the OS?

I would prefer from BIOS but I'll take just the OS at this point. I'm running Proxmox if it makes a difference. Have you had any luck?

When searching online, initially it looks like there are console redirection options in the BIOS, but when you look closer, results are either for running ThinOS or other Dell models.

Thanks for the response.

 

[hmartin]

I don't think these platforms support serial console redirection for BIOS. At least not in the UI, I think Dell has some custom utilities for ThinOS that can configure the BIOS, but I have no experience with these.


For the OS, the Alpine Linux serial installer (disclaimer: I maintain this) worked with zero configuration in BIOS for me:

Welcome to minicom 2.10

OPTIONS: I18n
Compiled on Feb 25 2025, 16:07:56.
Port /dev/ttyUSB0, 12:20:52 [F]

Press CTRL-A Z for help on special keys


Welcome to Alpine Linux 3.22
Kernel 6.12.59-0-lts on x86_64 (/dev/ttyS0)

alpine login: root
Welcome to Alpine!

The Alpine Wiki contains a large amount of how-to guides and general
information about administrating Alpine systems.
See <https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/>.

You can setup the system with the command: setup-alpine

You may change this message by editing /etc/motd.

alpine:~# cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-lts modules=loop,squashfs,sd-mod,usb-storage quiet unionfs_size=512M console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200 console=ttyS1,115200

I'm using some random USB to RS-232 female adapter that identifies as:
Bus 001 Device 095: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 Serial (UART) IC

You can use the Alpine Linux live USB installer from the repository to test serial console output, if it works just add the relevant console=ttyS#,115200 to your kernel command line (I'm guessing /etc/default/grub for Proxmox?). Don't forget to regenerate your grub config after making changes.

 

[gizzard]

I have a 5070 Extended with i350-T4 NIC, running a few VMs and a LXC (opnsense, HAOS, pihole). Started hearing a groaning sound from the CPU fan this weekend, checked for dust and nothing. Installed lm-sensors and the CPU temps are 52 C but the i350bb-pci temp is 70 C (!). My google-fu suggests the card should max out at around 55 C.

Does anyone know the size of the CPU fan in these units? This post suggest the fan is 50 mm x 10 mm and the poster there used a Noctua NF-A4x20 in it's place. I have a couple 140 mm fans somewhere so I'll slap one on the side for the i350.

 

[Fritz]

I had cooling issues with mine and decided they were insurmountable due to design of the box. It's now collecting dust in a drawer waiting for the day I find another use for it. And it didn't help that I absolutely hate the stupid BIOS in this thing. I was using a i350 T2 and could not keep it or the CPU cool enough to suit me. As far as the size of the CPU fan, a ruler will give you the answer.

 

[hmartin]

And it didn't help that I absolutely hate the stupid BIOS in this thing.

What's wrong with the 5070 BIOS? It's pretty standard for a Dell and it is EOL now so no more updates, but I haven't had any issues with it on the 5070 slim units.

 

[gizzard]

As far as the size of the CPU fan, a ruler will give you the answer.

LOL! Thank you for the chuckle this morning and nice reminder to gather the primary data yourself rather than relying on others! Indeed it is 50 mm square by 10 mm deep. There does seem to be another 10 mm of vertical clearance above it in the chassis. The Dell P/N on the back is KT8G2-A00 (5V, 0.3A, EFS-05A05H). Silverstone makes a 50 mm fan (FTF 5010) that is 12V 0.04A with a starting voltage of 4.5V. I might try to look for another 5V PWM fan of this size (the Noctua is also 12V).

 

[chinesestunna]

I can confirm that a 12V pwm fan works fine, just need to convert the connector