This is like pulling teeth to get my unit refunded or replaced, not a happy time ATM.
Topton Jasper Lake Quad i225V Mini PC Report
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Just joined in here so I could see the pictures in this thread. I too got an ES chip. Unfortunately I got mine at the end of May and thanks to this thread just found this out 
Talking with Topton is a nightmare ... just got this :
"Sorry dear，you should know that the QS version of the CPU is very cost-effective and its price is also very cheap. The official version of the CPU is obviously much more expensive than the QS version, so the factory uses the QS version, and they produce this machine according to the needs of the market."
Talking with Topton is a nightmare ... just got this :
"Sorry dear，you should know that the QS version of the CPU is very cost-effective and its price is also very cheap. The official version of the CPU is obviously much more expensive than the QS version, so the factory uses the QS version, and they produce this machine according to the needs of the market."
I think they're using these off of Amazon. I recommended them to Patrick and they come in the same boxes and look the same as what's in the video.
So I've done some digging...
It seem that the unit @Patrick has is the LS-POE-1220MK from Shenzhen Eborm Technology. Which has a pretty good rep for being able to drive the full 24W.
There is the PS5712TG from SDaPo Communication that has a wave in the top that seems to be resold under a bunch of different brands.
Looks like the HKBTM, Revotech and likely the Anvision are actually all the SDaPo (based on product/customer photos that show the model number).
There have been some user reviews indicating that these have issues going at Gb, above 18W and working with Ubiquiti POE switches.
I specifically want them to replace the chunky power packs for my VDSL modem (20W) and Topton server (>20W) and power them off my USW-24-POE so I can power cycle them remotely. So I might be safer going for the Eborm unit.
Ain't that the truth.
Looks like changwang put the bios for the V3 in their site as well:
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FMI01 N5105 N6005 JK 4L-V01 CBOX 2022-8-9更新（BIOS适用于V3 V4版本，其它版本请勿更新)
刷机前请确认主板是否一致2022/6/7修复修复部份M.2 VNMe硬盘在转接板下识别问题。优化CPU电压功耗。添加BIOS蜂鸣器开关选项。修复BIOS自动引导。由于时间关系，下一版本的BIOS将修复TF卡作为引导项问题；如你有更好的建议，欢迎联系销售客服加入畅网微控硬件技术群。蜂鸣器在BIOS下开关选项刷机视频教程请复制到抖音上打开： 0:/ N5095/N5105/N6005刷BIOS 教程
So I joined due to this thread. I ordered this 6 port N5105 board for pfsense. It is supposed to arrive tomorrow. After seeing some of the issues in this thread I wanted to see what I should double check and make sure I know how. If possible I would like to check it all from a pfsense install but could install something else first.
I've built a couple computers before but this is my first foray into embedded devices and computers from china. Just want to make sure I cover my bases while I can dispute the transaction.
I am excited to start taking my network to the next level. Now I just need to figure out what to do for switches and APs. I didn't realize 2.5gb was such a pain to find but I'm not in that much of a hurry. I need to learn pfsense first anyway.
- Check thermal bridge between CPU and case. Make sure things are relatively smooth and redo thermal paste application.
- Check if CPU is ES (engineering sample right?). It seems I need to install windows and use HWINFO. What value am I looking for? Is there a way to check this in pfsense?
- Stress test the CPU to make sure it is good. Can this be done from pfsense? If I need windows to check the cpu anyway I can do it there. Prime95 is what I should use?
I've built a couple computers before but this is my first foray into embedded devices and computers from china. Just want to make sure I cover my bases while I can dispute the transaction.
I am excited to start taking my network to the next level. Now I just need to figure out what to do for switches and APs. I didn't realize 2.5gb was such a pain to find but I'm not in that much of a hurry. I need to learn pfsense first anyway.
Changelog of the latest bios:
So as we can see here they are actually asking users that have suggestions to get in touch with them, with this can we expect a somewhat descent bios support?
So as we can see here they are actually asking users that have suggestions to get in touch with them, with this can we expect a somewhat descent bios support?
Hello, good afternoon everyone!
I read the whole thread and was worried about the reports about processors coming as ES.
Who bought the V3 with the N5105 received the processor as ES? Or are all N5105s really that official?
Yesterday, I bought this device, along with the adapter for 2 nvme's
2.5g mini roteador macio celeron n5105 quad core 2 * ddr4 nvme ssd 4 intel i225 nics tpm hdmi2.0 dp tipo c pfsense firewall roteador pc| | - AliExpress
I read the whole thread and was worried about the reports about processors coming as ES.
Who bought the V3 with the N5105 received the processor as ES? Or are all N5105s really that official?
Yesterday, I bought this device, along with the adapter for 2 nvme's
2.5g mini roteador macio celeron n5105 quad core 2 * ddr4 nvme ssd 4 intel i225 nics tpm hdmi2.0 dp tipo c pfsense firewall roteador pc| | - AliExpress
Here's the label from one of mine.
The micro USB splitter is PN USB0503G, the USB-C splitter is TYPEC0503G
The 6 port wouldn't exactly follow the same revisions.
The model number for bot of these is "X6":
230.22US $ 28% OFF|pfSense Firewall 2.5G Router Celeron N5105 6x Intel i225 V B3 LAN 2*DDR4 NVMe SSD 2500M Nics Fanless Mini Router PC AES NI ESXi| | - AliExpress
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403.51US $ 31% OFF|11th Intel Core I5-1135g7 I7-1165g7 Fanless Industrial Pc Firewall Router Pfsense I210at 6lan Rj45 Com 4*usb Hdmi Mini Pc Aes-n - Barebone & Mini Pc - AliExpress
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The model number for this is "X6A":
435.14US $ 34% OFF|2022 Intel I225 2.5g Mini Router I7 1165g7 I5 1135g7 6lan Rj45 2xddr4 Nvme Fanless Mini Pc Aes-ni Esxi Pfsense Firewall Computer - Barebone & Mini Pc - AliExpress
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File a dispute with AliExpress. The listing does not state that it's a ES/QS chip.
At least you got an honest answer from them. The others here who got ES chips in their box - including me - got told all kinds of BS in their responses from Topton.Just joined in here so I could see the pictures in this thread. I too got an ES chip. Unfortunately I got mine at the end of May and thanks to this thread just found this out
Talking with Topton is a nightmare ... just got this :
"Sorry dear，you should know that the QS version of the CPU is very cost-effective and its price is also very cheap. The official version of the CPU is obviously much more expensive than the QS version, so the factory uses the QS version, and they produce this machine according to the needs of the market."
Its still not right...
Throw any OS you are comfortable with on the N6005 before you start your pfSense journey and check it with iperf3.
Run the iperf3 server on the N6005 end with "iperf3 -s" (no quotes) and the iperf3 client on your workstation, citing the N6005's IP address;
use "iperf3 -c 192.168.x.x" (no quotes).
You are looking for an asymmetrical performance problem, the N6005 will only do < 1Gbps in server mode but full 2.5Gbps in client mode if you have the same problem as mine. Temperature makes no difference, it'll do it from cold if you have a problem. See attached screenshot for example.
Everything is expensive at the moment so YMMV but the 2.5Gb segment of the network uses these switches and they have been really good;
TL-SG108-M2 V1.2
8-Port 2.5G Desktop Switch
The rest of the network is mostly 10Gb in Mikrotik, with just a few SFP28 25Gb links.
iperf3 problem results attached - Note the screenshot is from the workstation terminal, so the results are reversed. In the screenshot the N5105 in server mode is on 192.168.11.193 - Result from the N5105 server are about 450Mbps.
Topton is aware of this thread, which is why they tried making an account on these forums. However they tried to just advertise instead so they got banned.
Hey at least they were more honest with you. They told me that it was an honest mistake in the rush to fulfill orders, though I don't buy that. They claimed that they need the unit back to exchange with Changwang, specifically after I said I reserve the right to report this to Intel and PayPal. The more likely scenario is that they bought some ES boards from Changwang hoping to send them off to people who won't notice.Just joined in here so I could see the pictures in this thread. I too got an ES chip. Unfortunately I got mine at the end of May and thanks to this thread just found this out
Talking with Topton is a nightmare ... just got this :
"Sorry dear，you should know that the QS version of the CPU is very cost-effective and its price is also very cheap. The official version of the CPU is obviously much more expensive than the QS version, so the factory uses the QS version, and they produce this machine according to the needs of the market."
The N5105 is much cheaper than the N6005, and should be easier to bin. I haven't seen any ES N5105 Changwang motherboards in the wild of all 3 revisions. I'd double-check upon receiving just to make sure though. The N6005 is only available for the "V1" and "V3" 4-port units, and the 6 port unit btw.
What is Topton telling you so far? At this point I've escalated it to AliExpress multiple times, and Topton seems to want to work with me, however it's frustratingly long between replies. I'm also not convinced they even really read the replies I wrote (I provided the information and queries as condensed and succinctly as possible), because often they will respond with something totally random similar to throwing a bunch of options out, none of which are satisfactory, or requires me to "wait" another few weeks or month.
- I would just take the whole thing apart and replace the thermal paste altogether. You should do this after checking that the basics check out (such as "not ES CPU") so that you don't waste your thermal paste.
- You can check this in CPU-Z, HWiNFO64, or Intel Processor Identification Utility. All these utilities are for Windows. I'm sure the microcode is always exposed, but I don't know of a way to check for ES CPUs in Linux (I tried when I ran my Linux tests).
- In Prime95 I usually use the "Blend" stress test to hit both CPU and RAM, because I'm lazy and it's good enough. However, there are CPU or RAM specific tests as well.
$ lscpu
or
$ lscpu | grep "Authentic"
Does that work for you?
Edit: it might be best to list-cpu (lscpu) without isolating the "Authentic" term, because I think Intel uses the term "Genuine".
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I’m not at home to check at the moment, but AFAIK if it’s not a production CPU, lscpu output won’t have the ”Authentic” string at all. It might have been blank.
If no one has noticed yet, a new appliance based on the N5000 is available. A N6000 will not be an option with this. The Jasper Lake x000 series SoCs are 6W so basically they have a much lower base clock and lower boost clock. Honestly just about going to tell Topton to give me 2 x of these as the price would be comparable to the V1 N6005 I have. The unit doesn’t have a fan mount on the bottom panel though…
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I wonder if this will fix my issue seeing both Samsung 970 Eve Plus drives at the same time...
Now I just have to work out how to do the BIOS upgrade. My Chinese is rubbish.
Yep, as I suspected, it's actually the the PS5712TG from SDaPo Communication.