Supermicro M11SDV-8C-LN4F Review AMD EPYC 3251 mITX Platform

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  2. Evan

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    Wow that little 3251 packs a punch ! Very solid persormance for sure and at a low power.
     
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    @Patrick not asking for any testing but any feeling if there is likely be much penalty of 2133/2400 speed ram ? With no infinity fabric I would suppose only see a hit at the top end of really memory intensive tasks ?
     
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    IF is still there between the two CCXs on the die. Look at the Ryzen 7 chips to see how much memory speed effects inter-core latency on single die Zens.
     
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    Holy crap I want three for a bare metal k8s setup! Any idea of availability or where to buy / when to buy? I’ll likely not be able to afford any but it would be nice to add to a wishlist.
     
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    Performance looks amazing, price is everything though.
     
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    I noticed that this page pops up on the supermicro website now.

    EPYC™ 3000 Embedded Motherboards | A+ Motherboard | A+ Servers - Super Micro Computer, Inc.

    despite it not looking like these boards would have onboard 10GBe it seems to be listed




    [​IMG]
    Other Key Features
    M11SDV-4C-LN4F Coming Soon [​IMG] Mini-ITX Up to 512GB ECC DDR4-2666MHz SDRAM in 4 DIMM slots Up to 8 SATA3; RAID 0, 1, 5, 10; 1 M.2 (M Key 2280) EPYC™ 3151 SoC, 4 Cores/8 Threads, Passive Heatsink, 10GBase-T LAN
    M11SDV-4CT-LN4F Coming Soon [​IMG] Mini-ITX Up to 512GB ECC DDR4-2666MHz SDRAM in 4 DIMM slots Up to 8 SATA3; RAID 0, 1, 5, 10; 1 M.2 (M Key 2280) EPYC™ 3101 SoC, 4 Cores/4 Threads, Passive Heatsink, 10GBase-T LAN
    M11SDV-8C+-LN4F Coming Soon [​IMG] Mini-ITX Up to 512GB ECC DDR4-2666MHz SDRAM in 4 DIMM slots Up to 8 SATA3; RAID 0, 1, 5, 10; 1 M.2 (M Key 2280) EPYC™ 3251 SoC, 8 Cores/16 Threads, Active Heatsink, 10GBase-T LAN
    M11SDV-8C-LN4F Coming Soon [​IMG] Mini-ITX Up to 512GB ECC DDR4-2666MHz SDRAM in 4 DIMM slots Up to 8 SATA3; RAID 0, 1, 5, 10; 1 M.2 (M Key 2280) EPYC™ 3251 SoC, 8 Cores/16 Threads, Passive Heatsink, 10GBase-T LAN
    M11SDV-8CT-LN4F Coming Soon [​IMG] Mini-ITX Up to 512GB ECC DDR4-2133MHz SDRAM in 4 DIMM slots Up to 8 SATA3; RAID 0, 1, 5, 10; 1 M.2 (M Key 2280) EPYC™ 3201 SoC, 8 Cores/8 Threads, Passive Heatsink, 10GBase-T LAN
     
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    Simple typo on their summary page. The boards use an i350-AM4 NIC which is definitely 1Gbe, not 10.
     
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    I am rather excited for these boards knowing the low power, lower than intel TDP so hopefully easier to cool and lower cost.
    I don’t actually have a real reason to buy one but I may just do because I can.
     
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    Yeah, i had noticed they make some similar mistakes regarding 10gbe in the manual for these boards, but it just seems like a weird mistake to consistantly keep making. but if it really is the i350 then like you said its not 10gbe.

    I'm really excited for these boards. I'd love to build a new PfSense gateway from the home. The lack of 10Gbe and sata ports but powerful cpu would be great for that.
     
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    These are 1GbE platforms guys. Intel i350 NICs.
     
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    It wasn't really covered in the article, but any chance the M11SDVs use the same CPU heatsink mounting pattern as the X10SDVs? Due to constraints, passive cooling wouldn't quite work in my case and the 8C+ is just way more than I need.
     
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    @maes I need to double check looking at them back to back. I do not think so but I may be wrong.

    The packages are also different so I am not sure I would want to use a Xeon D heatsink on the EPCY 3000 chips.
     
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    Compare that to their X11SDV-8C-TLN2F pricing at $998 Supermicro X11SDV-8C-TLN2F Xeon D-2141I 2.2GHz 8-Core

    If they keep a constant markup, that's about 27% less for 8 cores embedded.

    4C with D-2123IT is $568
    4C with EPYC 3151 is $566

    That's close but you can get their 8C 3201 without HT for $557 and 4C 3101 without HT for $527

    To me $527 to $566 is an almost impossibly small range. Maybe they're small run boards so the mobo cost is high but the chip costs are very close? Like $100-140? The 3251 is the outlier, but it looks beastly.

    I just wish it had SFP+
     
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    The comparison to the X11SDV-8C-TLN2F is an interesting one. There are differences in these platforms beyond CPU performance, e.g. the Intel board supports dual 10GBase-T. BUT, if you both of these boards meet your basic needs, and the Game PC prices stand, this is what you're comparing:

    Xeon D-2141I / X11SDV-8C-TLN2F
    $998
    Power: Idle ~57W / max load ~124W[1]

    EPYC 3251 / M11SDV-8C-LN4F
    $730
    Power: Idle ~28W / max load ~67W[2]

    That makes the AMD board 27% cheaper with trivially worse CPU performance[3] and *50% less power usage*. If these actually ever go on sale you'd be crazy to buy a Xeon D-21XX, unless of course you need 12/16 cores or 10GBase-T while still having relatively low power consumption.

    Another point worth remarking on: the EPYC board is *HALF-WAY* between the Xeon D-2141I and the Atom C3758 in power consumption while still maintaining the performance of the Xeon D-2141I. This is really just a huge difference.

    [1] https://www.servethehome.com/intel-xeon-d-2141i-benchmarks-and-review-8-core-skylake-d/3/
    [2] https://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-m11sdv-8c-ln4f-review-amd-epyc-3251-mitx-platform/4/
    [3] https://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-m11sdv-8c-ln4f-review-amd-epyc-3251-mitx-platform/3/
     
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    Just goes to show how far intel has fallen.
    - no longer a per core performance leader
    - not even close to being the energy efficiency leader

    Really the interesting board is the 3251 one assuming pricing is as indicated. Not cheap but cheaper and lower power than intel if you only need 1G.
    (Should not kid ourselves, 10G costs both money and energy but if you don’t need it then no loss)
     
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