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nthu9280

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For testing during the eBay return window, I'd just use a small piece of tape on pins 1-3 (actually just #3 but 1-2 are unused). While you are figuring out the Molex to SATA power cable.
 
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so is this only only HGST sata hdd and sas drives? i mean if it's the new industry standard, then why are all the current psu still have 3.3v pin 3? are psu manufacturers behind the curve?
 

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so is this only only HGST sata hdd and sas drives? i mean if it's the new industry standard, then why are all the current psu still have 3.3v pin 3? are psu manufacturers behind the curve?
No, see the video i pointed you to... it's part of the SAS-3 spec, and also SATA 3.3 spec. the 3.3V was never really used by HDDs, even when available on old SATA power connectors. the new spec has reallocated 1 of the 3 3.3V pins for "power disable" so you can use software to hard reset a hard drive; saves data center operators from sending someone out to a rack to unplug a drive.
 

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No, see the video i pointed you to... it's part of the SAS-3 spec, and also SATA 3.3 spec. the 3.3V was never really used by HDDs, even when available on old SATA power connectors. the new spec has reallocated 1 of the 3 3.3V pins for "power disable" so you can use software to hard reset a hard drive; saves data center operators from sending someone out to a rack to unplug a drive.
Why is a lot of psu manufacturers still have 3.3v wires to their cables?
 

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Why is a lot of psu manufacturers still have 3.3v wires to their cables?
because this is all a relatively new change for the consumer space (SATA 3.3), but even in the server space (SAS-3), server backplanes haven't provided 3.3V as far as I can remember...

that said, there are SATA power connectors now that don't have the 3.3V... just count the wires and you can figure it out.
 

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Spin right up after pin 1-3 covered but stiill not recognized by adaptec 31605... will have to try on another adapter
 

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what's the brand/model of the SAS HDD?
HGST Ultrastar 7K6000 HUS726040AL5210 4TB SAS 128MB 12Gb/s 7.2K 3.5" Lot of 10 | eBay

Adaptec didn't detect the drive but the intel RMS25KB080, which is the one that only works on intel s2600 does detect them. So i guess i have to find a new 6 or 12gb sas controller to replace my adaptec 31605 if i want to use these drives?

Using HD sentinel to read SMART info on 4 HDD out of 10 so far, each one has about 4.1TB written and 1.5TB read. each one is on for less than 2days. So i guess that's pretty good statistics for them even though the date of manufacture is in 2015?

I am wondering if that 4.1 TB write even also include the probable secure erase each might have gone thr after they were decommisioned... if so then the actual usage were very minimal...

I need to run complete surface write and read test on them to verify . i guess that will more than double their smart stats after i do that? ;(

the only other thing is that hd sentinel is not free.... $29 for the pro ver..... but it will let you run multiple HDDs test at once. Anyone knows of a free surface test app that will work with sas drives?
 

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Any cheap 8 port 6gb SAS controller recommendation? how about these?

sas 6gb 8 port | eBay

i would like some 12gb ones or maybe one with more than 8 port that uses the sff 8087 to 4 sas breakout cable. but the 12gb or one with more than 8 ports seem a lot more expensive...

I have a couple of spare adaptec 52445 and while those are also only 3gb controller, they seem to work fine with detecting these sas drives unlike the 31605 which doesn't quite detect them correctly
 
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I need to run complete surface write and read test on them to verify . i guess that will more than double their smart stats after i do that? ;(

the only other thing is that hd sentinel is not free.... $29 for the pro ver..... but it will let you run multiple HDDs test at once. Anyone knows of a free surface test app that will work with sas drives?
If you're comfortable running a live usb/cd boot Linux distro, I just fixed up my HDD testing script 'bht' to support SAS drives:

https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...-drive-testing-script-for-linux-on-sth.21511/

It runs badblocks on all the hard drives, which runs 4 different pattern write/read/verify tests across the entire disk.

good cheap 8gb or 12gb at least 8 port sas controller recommendation anyone?
what is cheap to you? 6Gbps options are plentiful and can be found between $20-$50. Are you looking for SAS HBA? or SAS RAID? Anything with LSI chipsets SAS2008/2108/2208/2308 should do it, depending on if you want HBA or HW RAID.

12Gbps SAS is usually more expensive... the cheapest I've seen is around $70...
 

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If you're comfortable running a live usb/cd boot Linux distro, I just fixed up my HDD testing script 'bht' to support SAS drives:

https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...-drive-testing-script-for-linux-on-sth.21511/

It runs badblocks on all the hard drives, which runs 4 different pattern write/read/verify tests across the entire disk.



what is cheap to you? 6Gbps options are plentiful and can be found between $20-$50. Are you looking for SAS HBA? or SAS RAID? Anything with LSI chipsets SAS2008/2108/2208/2308 should do it, depending on if you want HBA or HW RAID.

12Gbps SAS is usually more expensive... the cheapest I've seen is around $70...
cheap as in less than $40...how about these: sas 6gb 8 port | eBay

you recommend anything on that page? it needs to use the sff 8087 cable .... would like to have raid 5 also if possible.
 

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cheap as in less than $40...how about these: sas 6gb 8 port | eBay

you recommend anything on that page? it needs to use the sff 8087 cable .... would like to have raid 5 also if possible.
so, for your price range, and wanting HW RAID, I would look at controllers based on LSI SAS2108 chipset. Things like LSI 9260-8i, Dell H700, IBM M5015, etc. You might also need a battery, cache module, and some of them require a "key" to get fully featured RAID. Here are some listings:

IBM ServeRAID M5015 SAS/SATA 6Gb/s Controller 46M0851 LSI 9260-8i | eBay

NEC LSI 9264-8i 6GB PCI-E RAID CONTROLLER 256M RAID5/6=LSI 9260-8I From US Ship | eBay

Dell PERC H700 RAID Controller 6g SAS/SATA 512 MB PCI-E 0w56w0 w56w0+Battery | eBay

0DYF52 Dell 6GB LSI9260-8I PCIe 2.0 X8 SAS RAID Controller + High, Low Brackets | eBay

Other than the plain LSI one, might need to do a little research on how the IBM/Dell ones work in non-IBM/Dell systems. I've had experience getting the Dell PERC RAID cards working in non-Dell systems with taping pins B5/B6. Haven't been using HW RAID for a few years now so my experience is limited.
 

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so you saying all these ibm and dell needs some work to work on non ibm dell system? so only the nec lsi one doesn't need some work?

wondering how much better they are over my 3gb adaptec 52445
 

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has anyone got these dell perc h200 h310 to work in a system that's not dell?
Yes, I believe they work in non-Dell systems, but some times you need to apply tape to pins B5/B6. I mostly have used these cross-flashed to LSI IT mode firmware though. Also, they do not support HW RAID 5.
 

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On the B5-B6 tape - some have reported boot issues. But in my case, some of the MB would disable certain DIMM slots unless the pins were taped. If you don't run into either of the issues, you may not even need to tape the pins.
 

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if i just need a simple controller to just use 8 independent sas drive with no raid would something like perc h310 be good enough?
 

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if i just need a simple controller to just use 8 independent sas drive with no raid would something like perc h310 be good enough?
yeah, if you just want a cheap HBA card instead of a RAID card, there are plenty of options:

LSI 9201-8i - often found in the $20-$30 range

LSI 9211-8i, Dell H310, LSI 9210-8i, Dell H200 - often found in the $30-$40 range.

The Dell H310 and H200 will need to be flashed to IT mode firmware if you intend to use it as HBA only. By default, they have Dell's branded version of the "IR firmware" which has rudimentary RAID 0/1/10 and the queue depth is artificially limited so performance isn't great.