Ruckus Wireless as an Unifi alternative?

[duplexsystem]

So when people say things other than standalone Unleashed (SmartZone, ZoneDirector, Unleashed with Dedicated Master) have L3 routing, does that mean traffic can route between connected devices on an AP on different vlans without leaving the AP? If so I have one R710 (for now, expanding soon), and I want to at least play with this feature, what would people recommend to get this feature, I've seen people talking about taking a R610 or R730 and hacking it to a Unleashed Dedicated Master, but are there better options that are similarly cost effective?

Thanks!

 

[mattlach]

So when people say things other than standalone Unleashed (SmartZone, ZoneDirector, Unleashed with Dedicated Master) have L3 routing, does that mean traffic can route between connected devices on an AP on different vlans without leaving the AP? If so I have one R710 (for now, expanding soon), and I want to at least play with this feature, what would people recommend to get this feature, I've seen people talking about taking a R610 or R730 and hacking it to a Unleashed Dedicated Master, but are there better options that are similarly cost effective?

Thanks!

I have never seen any settings for routing inside the Unleashed configuration, and I have stepped through them all one by one (to my knowledge)

I guess it is possible I have missed something.

I don't personally need any routing between VLAN's, but if I did, I just do it all at my OPNSense firewall. It has a 10gig LAN interface anyway, so plenty of bandwidth.

 

[duplexsystem]

Not much.

Basically L3 and tunneling. So if you're finding the single-subnet restriction for all APs is a problem then there's that. Or if you want to drop APs at friends/family and have them managed from your home, with selected SSIDs tunneling traffic via your network (for e.g media players) then there's that.

The controller failover is faster, but you've got to dedicate 2 APs to being masters, so definitely not something I'd do at home.

(I only converted the R610 because I needed a dedicated master for testing when I get complaints about my guides, and I was sick of wasting expensive APs on this)

I was going based off of this and a couple other posts. Also the user guide talking about it as well.

 

[i386]

I have never seen any settings for routing inside the Unleashed configuration, and I have stepped through them all one by one (to my knowledge)

Ruckus has somewhere documentation what Unleashed includes. If you have one of the icx 7 series switches then these could be managed* via unleashed running on the ap

* not sure what it all includes and if it's requiring the "unstable" 09.x firmware or also works with the "stable" 08.x firmware

 

[Jelmer]

ICX managed from the AP means you can view switchport status.

 

[ms264556]

I'm trying to flash Ruckus stock firmware in u-boot. Now I'm able to download the firmware to memory via tftp but don't know the correct commands for writing to flash or booting the firmware. Can you give me a little more detailed instructions?

I had a look at the R610 u-boot setup a few days ago, which I guess is similar to all other recent Ruckus APs. The NAND is mapped in u-boot, but the MTDs aren't, so ubi commands won't work unless you figure out the mtdids and mtdparts.

I think you can probably directly write to the NAND though, so long as your NAND doesn't have bad blocks. If you let me know your model then I can try dumping a good nand for you. I don't own examples of all Ruckus AP models though, so maybe I don't have the model you need.

 

[ms264556]

I imagine the "don't upgrade a R750 that thinks it is a R850 past 200.14" holds true still?

Assuming you mean the R730, then you're correct - 200.15, 200.16 and 200.17 all panic & rollback during bootup if radios are turned on.

Do note that this doesn't apply to Dedicated Master setups. I confirmed that R730 APs running Dedicated Master work fine in all recent Unleashed versions & updated the guide to reflect this.

 

[ms264556]

ICX managed from the AP means you can view switchport status.

I think (no testing, but it's mentioned in the release notes) that since Unleashed 200.11 there is full switch management.

They cheated, of course. From the Release Notes:-

Easy ICX management by Unleashed​

Enables customer to access ICX home page from Unleashed without manual login. The proxy in Unleashed adds authentication for all ICX requests, and transfers ICX responses to the browser.​

​

Run ICX CLI command on Unleashed CLI​

The users can access ICX CLI through the Unleashed CLI.​

 

[ms264556]

So when people say things other than standalone Unleashed (SmartZone, ZoneDirector, Unleashed with Dedicated Master) have L3 routing, does that mean traffic can route between connected devices on an AP on different vlans without leaving the AP?

No. SmartZone/ZoneDirector/DedicatedMaster don't do routing.

With ordinary Unleashed, all your APs must be on a single subnet. You can assign VLANs to your SSIDs (and the management interface) so your router can put client traffic onto different subnets. But Unleashed AP discovery is L2-only, so the APs themselves must all be on one subnet.

With Unleashed Dedicated Master, AP <=> Controller traffic is routable, even through NAT routers. So you can stick APs on any subnet you like, so long as you tell them the IP address of the Dedicated Master.

 

[Mithril]

Assuming you mean the R730, then you're correct - 200.15, 200.16 and 200.17 all panic & rollback during bootup if radios are turned on.

Do note that this doesn't apply to Dedicated Master setups. I confirmed that R730 APs running Dedicated Master work fine in all recent Unleashed versions & updated the guide to reflect this.

Shame, but not shocked

 

[namezys]

Hey,
Is it possible to get any SNMP metric from slave AP in Unleashed?
I'm trying to do some workarounds but failed.

 

[ZoomLenz]

200.17.7.0.152 is out. Can confirm that R730/R850 dedicated master is still working.

Too bad release notes are behind the "Premium" wall.

 

[ms264556]

200.17.7.0.152 is out. Can confirm that R730/R850 dedicated master is still working.

Too bad release notes are behind the "Premium" wall.

I started, a while ago, tracking Unleashed release notes for my firmware tool. You can see the latest release notes here: Unofficial Ruckus Unleashed Change Log | ms264556.net

 

[fohdeesha]

200.17.7.0.152 is out. Can confirm that R730/R850 dedicated master is still working.

Too bad release notes are behind the "Premium" wall.

Woah .....that's new within the last couple weeks. The actual firmware and everything is available for free download, that makes no sense. Imma ping someone

 

[hardcore]

Hey,
Is it possible to get any SNMP metric from slave AP in Unleashed?
I'm trying to do some workarounds but failed.

Yes they have a separate download of the MIB's for each device for the end points.
The main issue is going to be the SNMP engines in the devices, they tend to bury the internal CPU in processing SNMP

I exclusively used Ruckus in our factories in Asia & Europe.
Then they shit on the customers when they got bought out, there was NO clear upgrade path from the 550's

So we dumped them.

 

[sth]

I'm not seeing any noticeable CPU load retrieving SNMP stats every few minutes (Clients, Utilization, Noise Floor & Errors). This is consistent across 6 APs.

 

[gigi-biji]

How crazy would I be to buy new R320 at $20 a pop? I know they are EOL and only WiFi5 (mimo 2x2). Currently have Asus rt-ac68, which is like 10 years model, and has great 2.4ghz range, but I am starting to itch for better 5Ghz coverage (with multiple APs).

 

[i386]

How crazy would I be to buy new R320 at $20 a pop?

Is it really new?
I think 20 bucks to get an "enterprise" grade ap and access to a device running unleashed (it's awesome compared to consumer aps & their firmware/os) is okay.

 

[gigi-biji]

Is it really new?
I think 20 bucks to get an "enterprise" grade ap and access to a device running unleashed (it's awesome compared to consumer aps & their firmware/os) is okay.

Yes, brand new. Any experience with their range?

 

[namezys]

How crazy would I be to buy new R320 at $20 a pop? I know they are EOL and only WiFi5 (mimo 2x2). Currently have Asus rt-ac68, which is like 10 years model, and has great 2.4ghz range, but I am starting to itch for better 5Ghz coverage (with multiple APs).

Even WiFi 5 of enterprise grade is much better than WiFi 6.
Do it. Maybe you can take r730, used one costs about ~40 and it will be a main AP.

Don't think about MIMO 2x2, nothing really can use 4x4 or something like it.

About coverage,I'm not sure. I installed it in a hotel but it was used for rooms with 1.5m wall in an old castle with rock bricks.
If you don't care about wiring ethernet, u can use cheap POE switch and everything will be execlent.