Minisforum MS-01 PCIe Card and RAM Compatibility Thread

[Arjestin]

I'm assuming this is 13th gen degredation

Why would you assume that? Did you over-volt your MS-01 CPU via BIOS settings?

The degradation you're referring to is associated with desktop 13th/14th-gen chips (like the Core i9‑13900K/F variants), which can operate at higher voltages. i9-13900H is a voltage-limited laptop CPU, so if it is indeed degraded, your report may have implications on Intel 13th/14th-gen laptop CPUs.

 

[Miesepies]

However I suspect this only happens when using pci device passthrough. PCI mapping might have issues with the ASMedia chip, as this is more or less a workaround to present 2 nvme disks (devices) via a non-bifurcation pcie slot to the system.

I booted Windows on the host itself, and ran the tests again. No issues with the card and the NVME.
So this issue seems to occur only with passthrough devices in a (Windows) VM.

Think I should head over to the proxmox forum to see if they have any ideas why this occurs...

 

[jwozniak]

I booted Windows on the host itself, and ran the tests again. No issues with the card and the NVME.
So this issue seems to occur only with passthrough devices in a (Windows) VM.

Think I should head over to the proxmox forum to see if they have any ideas why this occurs...

I was testing this 2xNVME card with a passthrough to OpenMediaVault VM. Similar issues, ms-01 hanged several times, eventually got issues on the zfs pool, some files corrupted, one of the nvme reported as degraded in OMV. It would be good to confirm if it is just via passthrough and be able to use this just as zfs for VMs at least... The price is much less than Ableconn PEXM2-130.

 

[SuperCurro]

Do you intend to use this SSD as just a drive or as part of a RAID? If I understand correctly, a RAID pool speed cannot exceed the speed of its slowest drive. So if you do use it in a RAID, the entire pool will be limited to PCIe 3.0 x1 speed. Feel free to correct me on this one.

I use as backup drive in proxmox. It works well and fast. If I have to reinstall proxmox I just monted manually to recover all backups

 

[iru]

QNAP QDA-U2MP uses the same ASMedia 2812 chip and it didn't hang on me yet, so the issue is probably not the chip itself.
If you suspect that the thermal solution is not adequate, you could point a fan directly on the heatsink, to see if it solves the issue.

Speaking of which this seems to be the best 3d printed rack mount for both 10 and 19 with support for a fan on the top. I'm tempted to buy a 3d printer just for it but I'm afraid things might be more complicated than it seems considering the material and how long a started printer would take to print the whole thing.


I've been doing research myself. I plan to populate the pci-e slot with a routed dual 2x4TB nvme solution for OS and applications while allocating the bottom ones for data.

 

[epicurean]

YES. Supported PM983.

How do you fit the PM983 into any of the m.2 slots? the 3.84TB one is broad and does not appear to fit

 

[turbo2ltr]

I just picked up a 13900 version, put in the Crucial 64gb kit (CT2K32G56C46S5) and an RTX 2000E ADA.
I'm just poking around and from what I think I'm seeing (I'm no expert when it comes to bios nitty gritty), this 5600mhz memory is running at 2800? Does that sound right?

On the bios info screen it said 5200.

 

[Miesepies]

I was testing this 2xNVME card with a passthrough to OpenMediaVault VM. Similar issues, ms-01 hanged several times, eventually got issues on the zfs pool, some files corrupted, one of the nvme reported as degraded in OMV. It would be good to confirm if it is just via passthrough and be able to use this just as zfs for VMs at least... The price is much less than Ableconn PEXM2-130.

From what I have tested, it looks like it only freezes when used in passthrough. Allthough I have not tested extensively.

However, I do have 1 NVME on the TXB running without issues in passthrough. I'm thinking it might fail with 2 identical types of drives. When I tried creating a resource mappping to both slots of the card, both drives looked like they had identical ID's...

Do you have 2 identical drives? Have you tried using 2 different NVME's? I haven't tried this yet...

 

[anonymousbot]

I just picked up a 13900 version, put in the Crucial 64gb kit (CT2K32G56C46S5) and an RTX 2000E ADA.
I'm just poking around and from what I think I'm seeing (I'm no expert when it comes to bios nitty gritty), this 5600mhz memory is running at 2800? Does that sound right?

On the bios info screen it said 5200.

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Remember that it is DDR (Double Data Rate) memory. Your memory is running at ~2600MHz for a total bandwidth of 5200mt/s.

 

[jwozniak]

From what I have tested, it looks like it only freezes when used in passthrough. Allthough I have not tested extensively.

However, I do have 1 NVME on the TXB running without issues in passthrough. I'm thinking it might fail with 2 identical types of drives. When I tried creating a resource mappping to both slots of the card, both drives looked like they had identical ID's...

Do you have 2 identical drives? Have you tried using 2 different NVME's? I haven't tried this yet...

I had 2 identical NVMEs in both slots. For me it had different IDs (if I remember well).
Now I've dropped that idea, installed a cheap PCIe extension card with one additional NVMe and I have a boot one in the wifi slot.
This gives me 3 NVMEs to setup ZFS in the NAS VM with passthrough, 1 NVME for VMs in simple zfs and 1 for Proxmox boot.
This setup runs fine for 10 days... Perhaps some additional cooling would be good to keep the temps down.

For me this is fine, backing it up to PBS and making some external copies.

 

[Miesepies]

I had 2 identical NVMEs in both slots. For me it had different IDs (if I remember well).
Now I've dropped that idea, installed a cheap PCIe extension card with one additional NVMe and I have a boot one in the wifi slot.
This gives me 3 NVMEs to setup ZFS in the NAS VM with passthrough, 1 NVME for VMs in simple zfs and 1 for Proxmox boot.
This setup runs fine for 10 days... Perhaps some additional cooling would be good to keep the temps down.

For me this is fine, backing it up to PBS and making some external copies.

I think I'll keep this card, but with only 1 NVME inserted. That seemed to work fine with passthrough.

For cooling I added an NUC fan connected to the additional fan header and removed the low profile bracket so it blows the warm air out:



As for the bottom:



Just need to add a small heatsink to the ssd in the wifi slot...

 

[herby88]

Hey everyone,
I'm also struggling to get Oculink (or Thunderbolt) working properly.
My setup:

• Dock: Aoostar AG02 (Oculink/USB4)
• Adapter: PCIe 4.0 x4 to Oculink SFF-8612 (SFF-8611 for external GPU/NVMe) - PCIE 4.0 X4 Bis OCULINK SFF 8612 Adapter, SFF-8611 Externe Grafikkarte, Hochgeschwindigkeitsdatenübertragungsadapter, Sichere Verbindung für Externe Grafikkarte für NVME SSD GPU : Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör

In Unraid, I can partially see my XFX 9060XT:
lspci -nnk | grep -A 10 -i amd
01:00.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 10 XL Upstream Port of PCI Express Switch [1002:1478] (rev 25)
Subsystem: XFX Limited Device [1eae:1478]
Kernel driver in use: pcieport

However, the VGA and Audio subdevices are missing.
I also looked into this adapter:

GLOTRENDS PA09-HS NVMe to PCIe 4.0 x4 Adapter with heatsink
But one user already confirmed it doesn’t help in this case.(GLOTRENDS PA09-HS NVMe zu PCIe 4.0 X4 Adapter Mit Kühlkörper für 2280/2260/2242/2230 M.2 NVMe SSD: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör)

Has anyone managed to get a working Oculink configuration with Unraid?
For context: the dock and GPU work perfectly fine via USB4 on a Microsoft Surface, so I suspect this might be an issue with the MS-01.
PS: USB4 mode in Unraid doesn’t work either. The Asmedia controller connects for a few seconds, then disconnects, and keeps looping like that.

 

[h0schi]

I think I'll keep this card, but with only 1 NVME inserted. That seemed to work fine with passthrough.

For cooling I added an NUC fan connected to the additional fan header and removed the low profile bracket so it blows the warm air out:

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As for the bottom:

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Just need to add a small heatsink to the ssd in the wifi slot...

That‘s nice.
Did the connector of the additional NUC-fan plug‘n‘ play ? Can you send me please a link to the NUC-fan ?

 

[pnerd]

I searched this rather long thread and it seems no one has tried to add SATA or U.2 storage inside of the PCIe bay. I'd like to install a high capacity SATA SSD inside the unit. There are plenty of half height SATA PCIe cards but I can't find any obvious way to supply SATA power. Is there a solution I am not aware of?

Alternatively, I would like to install a large capacity U.2 drive that's 15mm height which doesn't fit in the built in U.2 slot. I bought a PCIe to U.2 adapter and it works but because of the cable length, I can't fit the cable and U.2 drive inside the case.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09S3C1BSR

Any ideas? I would love to max out this unit with storage.

 

[iru]

Just a heads up about the Axagon PCEM2-ND PCIE 2X NVME M.2 ADAPTER: you need to break the 22110 part so it can fit. If you only have the ms-01 I imagine it's a big gamble because you can’t really test it without potentially voiding warranty. Its not hard to detach it without any tools if you are careful and there are no circuit tracks near that part.

 

[Miesepies]

That‘s nice.
Did the connector of the additional NUC-fan plug‘n‘ play ? Can you send me please a link to the NUC-fan ?

Unfortunately the header pins are not in the same order as the wiring of the fan. However the color of the wires do match. Note down the order of wire colors of the first fan header, and then use that to connect the wires for the new fan in the correct order.

I had it all written down on a piece of paper... which I threw away when I was done But it's not really hard.

I got the fan and a set of wires with the right size connectors from aliexpress:

For Intel NUC8I7BEH NUC8 I3 I5 I7 Computer Fan BSC0805HA-00 DC05V 0.60A 1Z24L9R 4 PIN New CPU Cooling Fan
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005029085173.html

Mini Micro JST 1.25 mm Pitch 4 Pin Male Plug and Female Socket Docking Terminal Connector with Wire Cables 15CM 28AWG
https://aliexpress.com/item/4000764828208.html

 

[h0schi]

Unfortunately the header pins are not in the same order as the wiring of the fan. However the color of the wires do match. Note down the order of wire colors of the first fan header, and then use that to connect the wires for the new fan in the correct order.

I had it all written down on a piece of paper... which I threw away when I was done But it's not really hard.

I got the fan and a set of wires with the right size connectors from aliexpress:

For Intel NUC8I7BEH NUC8 I3 I5 I7 Computer Fan BSC0805HA-00 DC05V 0.60A 1Z24L9R 4 PIN New CPU Cooling Fan
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005029085173.html

Mini Micro JST 1.25 mm Pitch 4 Pin Male Plug and Female Socket Docking Terminal Connector with Wire Cables 15CM 28AWG
https://aliexpress.com/item/4000764828208.html

Thank you
Did you use the fan headers on the downside / ssd-side ?

 

[Miesepies]

Thank you
Did you use the fan headers on the downside / ssd-side ?

Yes, the headers on the bottom/ssd side. One is connected to the ssd fan, and next to it is a free header. Use the colors of the ssd fan extension cable to find the correct order of the wires.

You need to remove the front (4 screws and a piece of tape below the USB ports) to reach the headers and a needle nose plier to fit the connector.

 

[h0schi]

Yes, the headers on the bottom/ssd side. One is connected to the ssd fan, and next to it is a free header. Use the colors of the ssd fan extension cable to find the correct order of the wires.

You need to remove the front (4 screws and a piece of tape below the USB ports) to reach the headers and a needle nose plier to fit the connector.

Thanks for all the details.
I‘ve did that mod today

Fortunately the NUC fan fits very properly.

Here's the M2_2 fan pinout:



I installed the fan rotated so that it blows the colder room temperature into the case.

 

[narapon]

Have you tried any pcie to u.2 adaptors to fit one of the thicker u.2 ssds? Would be a way around the thickness limit of the rear slot