Making your own PSU EPS Cables

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luckylinux

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I have a small Problem on some Supermicro 1U Systems (SC512 / CSE-512) coupled with an ASROCK B450D4U-V1LQ5 Motherboard.

The PSU 4-Pin EPS Cable is just a Tad (5cm, although 10cm would be nice to have) too short to reach the EPS Connector on the Motherboard :confused: .


I considered buying some 4-Pin EPS Cable Extension off Aliexpress and for the Price (approx. 0.5 - 1.0 EUR / Piece) that would be fine ... but the Cross-Section is either WAY too small or not disclosed by the Seller at all.

This is 0.14mm2 (approx. equivalent to somewhere between AWG26 and AWG25, which is only rated at approx. 1-2 A at 60°C):

This is unknown:

Considering I am running the AMD Ryzen 3600 in most of those Systems (and the AMD Ryzen 5700X or 3700X in a few others), a minimum of 100W or 9 A has to be factored in. With only a 4-Pin PSU Connector this means theoretically / ideally (equal Current Sharing) around 4.5 A each, although with unbalance of say 30% to add some safety Margin (e.g. slightly different Crimp = different Resistance) that would mean a rating of each Wire of around 6A minimum, which I will go with 0.5mm2 or AWG20 to be on the safe Side :).

But the official MOLEX Crimper is something like 300 EUR/USD o_O.

I didn't find many knockoffs that claimed Compatibility with the MOLEX Mini-Fit Jr. which is what is being used for those EPS Connectors I believe.

This Tool claims to be, but not sure if it isn't yet another "Trust us" Chinese knockoff with dubious Quality:



This should be the 8-Pin EPS Connector:

Other Parts are described at:

Did somebody else go through the same Process ? I find it quite easy & relatively cheap to source the Connectors (Housings + Pins) and the Wires (just need Black & Yellow standard stranded Wire), but the Crimper is very expensive (as usual) :confused:.

Any Recommendation ? Thanks in Advance :).
 
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I've crimped a few minifir jr terminals with a generic import crimper designed for that general style of terminals, it was fiddly because it doesn't hold the terminal until you start squeezing it, but I got decent crimps after a little bit of practice. I can't seem to find the exact model now but it's similar to the Iwiss SN-28B.
 
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luckylinux

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I did GPU not EPS, but...

Crimper - SN-58B 4 Jaws F from https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805604233470.html
Connectors and pins https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804556012808.html

edit: oh yeah, wire source: Amazon.com: COMeap PSU Cable Kit for Corsair PSUs Type 4 RM RMX RMI SF Series Black : Clothing, Shoes & Jewelry was cheaper than sourcing un-terminated cable
Sorry for the late Reply.

So you used the Jaw 2549 from the Aliexpress Kit I guess with the 0.5mm2 for AWG20 ?

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Why not buying the 6 Jaws Set F for almost the same Price though with 2 extra Jaws ?
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The SN-28B as @nexox mentioned (without being 100% sure) is around 8 EUR or half the price of the other 2 though, and it should be able to crimp those Terminals, although the size Range is a bit more limited (0.25mm2 ... 1.0mm2 instead of SN-58B 0.08mm2 ... 1.0mm2), although I wouldn't go for the lower Range of the size anyways for these power Connectors:
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About the Connectors ... I cannot really see them all that well in those Aliexpress Pictures, but especially for the 8 Pin Connector, it's not really clear whether that's PCIe 8-Pin or EPS 8-Pin (Title of the Listing includes EPS but no specifics for the selected "Color" [Variant]).

I feel that the Dimensions of the Pin are quite different from the original Molex Products though:
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The Iwiss version specifically lists minifit jr in the 4th image here, so all the sn-28b crimpers probably do it: https://www.iwiss.com/products/sn-2...itch-dupont-jst-xh-vh-connectors-awg-18-to-28

I actually have a multi-jaw version and while it's nice to have all the different options it can be annoying to swap jaws back and forth, would prefer to just have a dedicated crimper to keep in a toolbox with the connectors and terminals.
 
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The Iwiss version specifically lists minifit jr in the 4th image here, so all the sn-28b crimpers probably do it: https://www.iwiss.com/products/sn-2...itch-dupont-jst-xh-vh-connectors-awg-18-to-28

I actually have a multi-jaw version and while it's nice to have all the different options it can be annoying to swap jaws back and forth, would prefer to just have a dedicated crimper to keep in a toolbox with the connectors and terminals.
Fair Point, especially if the single Jaw is like 8 EUR instead of 18 EUR or so :) . I also wouldn't bother.

I have a few Crimpers already (mostly for Ferrules though) plus one multi-Jaw Crimper but I don't think that I have that specific Jab for such (relatively) small Wires.
 

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Forgive me if you have mentioned it, but is Amazon not an option for you?
They have 18ga. power supply extension cables readily available.
 

luckylinux

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Forgive me if you have mentioned it, but is Amazon not an option for you?
They have 18ga. power supply extension cables readily available.
At which Price on Amazon.de though ? Links ?

If from the US then it would be plus all the Shipping Cost & Taxes to Europe (though I could use Jetcarrier since I already have some other Packages) ...
 

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Sorry, the delivery prices weren't/aren't available to me, as they don't ship to the US.
Here the same item is $4.99US, free next day delivery.
Good Luck ;)
 
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MDPC-X is based in Germany and has a crimp tool, EPS connectors and even AWG15/16 terminals - although these are not as cheap as the aliexpress stuff:
 
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MDPC-X is based in Germany and has a crimp tool, EPS connectors and even AWG15/16 terminals - although these are not as cheap as the aliexpress stuff:
Thank you for your Input :).

The Crimper around 60 EUR ... Uh. I mean I bought even more expensive Crimpers so if the Quality is good then it could be acceptable. Still it seems almost 8x more expensive than Aliexpress (plus the Shipping Costs from Germany o_O).

For each Cable I'd be looking at around 2 EUR (2 x Housings + 16 x Pins) just for the Connectors. Not 100% sure if the standard MOLEX (or other Manufacturer) Pins are compatible though. At least for the Housing they claim "This black 8-pin connector for ATX (and of course EPS, which is the same, it's also a compatible replacement for 2x 4pin motherboard EPS power connectors) is made for us in Taiwan by the second best manufacturer after MOLEX".

The Pins seems overpriced, TME has them for half Price or less, let alone Aliexpress:

Plus the cost of the Wire Itself, which on their Website it seems EXTREMELY overpriced :oops:.

AWG17 (approx. 1.0 mm2) 100 Meters for almost 70 EUR, what :oops::oops::oops: ???:

Not sure if the Wire really needs to be Tinned, but for Comparison this 1.5mm2 is almost 3x cheaper while being 1.5mm2:

As for tinned Copper Wire with AWG Cross-Section, TME has some:

But:
  • AWG18 but MOQ is 305m which is more expensive (around 110 EUR) than the 70 EUR from Cable Sleeving (which is AWG17, 100m)
  • AWG16 but MOQ is 305m which is more expensive (around 165 EUR) than the 70 EUR from Cable Sleeving (which is AWG17, 100m), only Black available, no Yellow :confused:
Not sure about the exact Wire Type (Code) that is usually used for this Type of Cables though. Looking at some of them on MOLEX / SATA Connectors it seems to be Type UL 1007 Wire (Stranded Hook-Up Wire with tinned Copper Conductor).
 

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i often take the cables from other cables (use extraction tool MOLEX 11030044 or similar) and make new cables, housings are cheap.
Agree
Had to re-pin Supermicro 24x NVMe backplane power from X10 to X11, because it's the other way around for some reason, also made new cables from GPU power lane out of old burned modular PSU, which is probably the most affordable stuff to get the crimped cables from. Although one can re-pin those with 2 needles, I ordered this tool, very handy
Sometimes you may even need to cut the edges if you don't have the needed molex pattern, not a big deal