I have the same problem with my M90q Gen 5 as I described earlier in the thread. I opened a ticket with Lenovo, but they claim it's an electrical incompatibility with the riser... I guess if you want to use anything other than a GPU you need the smaller riser.
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I tried these 2 lenova riser cards on my M90q Gen 6 and only the top one fitted, but did not detect any sata/raid/network or nvme addon cards. The green light appeared on the addon cards oddly but no detection in windows 11 or linux. Did not have a gpu to test it since not a gamer. Wish they just kept it as a normal pci-e slot!
Lenova were pretty clueless when I asked them if they sell the riser they just gave me the link to lenova spare parts and that was when I told them already checked it. The manual mentions the riser card but does not list the part number or name either.
Lenova were pretty clueless when I asked them if they sell the riser they just gave me the link to lenova spare parts and that was when I told them already checked it. The manual mentions the riser card but does not list the part number or name either.
I had an issue with a X550-T2 with the SR-IOV on my M720q. Even when following this post: SR-IOV activation, it did not work. The kernel modules were loaded, all the logs seemed fine.
But I had an Permission denied error when running the echo 4 > /sys/class/net/enp1s0f0/device/sriov_numvfs command.
It turned out that SR-IOV had to be activated in the UEFI for each of the ports in Devices->ATA Drive Setup->Intel (R) Ethernet 10G 2P X550-t Adapter->Device Level Configuration->Virtualization Mode
They were on 'None'. Setting them on 'SR-IOV' solved my issue.
It is quite strange that these parameters end up in 'ATA Drive Setup' but there they are.
But I had an Permission denied error when running the echo 4 > /sys/class/net/enp1s0f0/device/sriov_numvfs command.
It turned out that SR-IOV had to be activated in the UEFI for each of the ports in Devices->ATA Drive Setup->Intel (R) Ethernet 10G 2P X550-t Adapter->Device Level Configuration->Virtualization Mode
They were on 'None'. Setting them on 'SR-IOV' solved my issue.
It is quite strange that these parameters end up in 'ATA Drive Setup' but there they are.
Thanks for the explanation here. Very interesting!
Obviously I know this custom riser isn't from you so you may not know, but can I just clarify something; If it's using the x4 PCIe lanes from the PCH/DMI then presumably they are the same lanes that's shared with wifi/usb/sata etc? Also this riser has what appears to be an x4 PCIe slot on it too. How does this work? It can't surely share the same lanes can it? if so that'll be terrible performance
My understanding from j4cbo's riser is that Lenovo exposes x8 CPU lanes in addition to the x4 PCH/DMI lanes on this connector. Where j4cbo's appears to be different is that he uses half of the x8 CPU lanes for one M.2 connector while the other x4 are used for a PCIe expansion card while also tapping into the x4 PCH/DMI lanes for the second M.2 slot. This would give both M.2 slots on the riser x4 lanes each though one of them would be shared with USB/WIfi/Sata etc. Based on how I've understood the PCIe lane architecture in the M920, it just made me wonder how this TaoBao riser is electrically wired
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These riser slots have 8 lanes from the CPU and 4 lanes from the PCH in them. The PCH lanes share bandwidth with everything else connected to the PCH as you say.Thanks for the explanation here. Very interesting!
Obviously I know this custom riser isn't from you so you may not know, but can I just clarify something; If it's using the x4 PCIe lanes from the PCH/DMI then presumably they are the same lanes that's shared with wifi/usb/sata etc? Also this riser has what appears to be an x4 PCIe slot on it too. How does this work? It can't surely share the same lanes can it? if so that'll be terrible performance
My understanding from j4cbo's riser is that Lenovo exposes x8 CPU lanes in addition to the x4 PCH/DMI lanes on this connector. Where j4cbo's appears to be different is that he uses half of the x8 CPU lanes for one M.2 connector while the other x4 are used for a PCIe expansion card while also tapping into the x4 PCH/DMI lanes for the second M.2 slot. This would give both M.2 slots on the riser x4 lanes each though one of them would be shared with USB/WIfi/Sata etc. Based on how I've understood the PCIe lane architecture in the M920, it just made me wonder how this TaoBao riser is electrically wired
On Tiny5 the PCH's DMI uplink to the CPU is equivalent to PCIe 3.0 x4 so that's how much bandwidth is available for USB/SATA/Wifi/LAN, the bottom NVMe slots and the PCH lanes in the riser slot combined.
That riser puts the 8 lanes from the CPU directly in the x8 slot, and takes the 4 lanes from the PCH and runs one to each NVMe slot.
j4cbo's riser does something different, it uses 4 of the CPU lanes for the PCIe x4 slot, the other 4 CPU lanes for one of the NVMe slots and then the 4 PCH lanes for the final NVMe slot
I found a cheap used Tiny8 (M90q Gen 3) and, even though it hasn't arrived, I'm pretty sure it doesn't come with a riser. On AliExpress I see the riser goes for ~US$60. Is that really the case? I asume generic/no-brand ones are still not available like the ones for the Tiny5 that cost less than US$10?
Yeah that is the issue there appears only 2 type of riser cards, I posted the ones above there is that cheaper one around £10-15 then the expensive one around £30-40 which has extra capicitors, chipsets (see 3-4 post above). The cheap one never fit into my gen 6 lenova, only the expensive one that cost £30-40. You might be able to get an idea by looking at the slot length and pins if it may fit your lenova. I was unaware it only supported gpus on my system though so had to return it.
I would recommend you purchase from amazon or a seller in which you can return it in case it does not work, its a known issue some arrive dead.
The cheaper one you tried is for the Tiny4's.
The correct part numbers for the m90q gen 3 are:
PCIEx4 riser = 5C50W00909
PCIEx8 riser = 5C50W00910 or 5C50W00933
PCIEx16 riser = 5C50W00933 or 5C50W00910
I'm not sure if you have to use different risers depending on which kind of card you are using as I've only ever used a GPU with the PCIEx16 riser. The information will be in this thread somewhere for you. In the UK its always cheapest to get one from AliExpress unless Lenovo has the parts on sale direct.
I've bought risers from AliExpress for every generation of the tiny's starting from 4 till 8 which is the m90q gen 3 and every single one has worked perfect no issues. If you do decided to shop there just be wary of listings that seem very cheap as they usually have sub options where you are only getting the backing plate.
This is the link to the x16 riser I got if you are after that one. (Assuming prices remain the same ratio between each other) Its the cheapest I could find after a few weeks of looking.
The correct part numbers for the m90q gen 3 are:
PCIEx4 riser = 5C50W00909
PCIEx8 riser = 5C50W00910 or 5C50W00933
PCIEx16 riser = 5C50W00933 or 5C50W00910
I'm not sure if you have to use different risers depending on which kind of card you are using as I've only ever used a GPU with the PCIEx16 riser. The information will be in this thread somewhere for you. In the UK its always cheapest to get one from AliExpress unless Lenovo has the parts on sale direct.
I've bought risers from AliExpress for every generation of the tiny's starting from 4 till 8 which is the m90q gen 3 and every single one has worked perfect no issues. If you do decided to shop there just be wary of listings that seem very cheap as they usually have sub options where you are only getting the backing plate.
This is the link to the x16 riser I got if you are after that one. (Assuming prices remain the same ratio between each other) Its the cheapest I could find after a few weeks of looking.
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Just wanted to let ppl know that if you choose to upgrade your Tiny system with an Intel E610 10 gig card you will need to use the x4 riser card. The x16 riser card does not see the card for some reason. I guess I am going to chalk it up to what was indicated about the difference each riser card gets its PCIe lanes.
You might want to try the x4 version of the riser card. I just went through a situation where the Intel E610 adapter card will not work with the x16 riser, only the x4 version.
I bought an m75q1 for use as a NAS with ECC memory. Everything is fine here, except I also want to connect my PCIe ASM1166 card over the m2 a+e to PCIe adapter I bought on Aliexpress:
To my surprise, even though the LEDs on the card light up and turn off in usual fashion, it doesn't get detected by the OS. I tried in 2 other wystems, an m720q and m920x (with coreboot firmware), to no avail. I assumed the adapter was broken until I tested it with an m2 e-key full-blown B650 ASUS motherboard, where it worked just fine.
I am baffled. What's going on here? Any ideas? For the record, I tested with 12V connected. I know these a+e m2 slots can take extension cards directly into the slot, so why wouldn't the PCIe adapter cable work? What am I missing?
EDIT: DAMN, I figured it out, it wasn't the adapter cable, after all. I plugged a WiFi card in and enabled the Wireless Card in Networking. It was disabled. This is the answer to the multitude of reports of that randomness reported all over the Internet, where m2 cards work for some and don't work for others on the same models.
To my surprise, even though the LEDs on the card light up and turn off in usual fashion, it doesn't get detected by the OS. I tried in 2 other wystems, an m720q and m920x (with coreboot firmware), to no avail. I assumed the adapter was broken until I tested it with an m2 e-key full-blown B650 ASUS motherboard, where it worked just fine.
I am baffled. What's going on here? Any ideas? For the record, I tested with 12V connected. I know these a+e m2 slots can take extension cards directly into the slot, so why wouldn't the PCIe adapter cable work? What am I missing?
EDIT: DAMN, I figured it out, it wasn't the adapter cable, after all. I plugged a WiFi card in and enabled the Wireless Card in Networking. It was disabled. This is the answer to the multitude of reports of that randomness reported all over the Internet, where m2 cards work for some and don't work for others on the same models.
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This would be a fun addition to the tiny... But only with at least a RTL8157 on USB or another 10GbE on the 3.0x1 slot.
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Interesting AMD FCH-on-a-Stick Addon Card Gives the Appearance of Intel CPU on AMD Chipset
AMD creates the top X670E and X870E chipsets by joining two AMD "Promontory 21" FCH chips at the hip. Each of these takes in a PCI-Express 4.0 x4 connection, and puts out 8 PCIe 4.0 lanes and four SATA 6 Gbps ports that can be re-configured as four additional Gen 3 lanes. The X870E/X670E chipset...
hey there, I've actually built a p3 tiny gen 1 from used parts, happy to answer any questions you might have, hopefully i'm not too limited i knowledge
Hello everyone,
I was a bit torn between buying an m90q Gen 5 or Gen 6. However, I now know that the Gen 6 will not work for my use case.
@Stovar @Gr3yh0und @MBastian Thank you for all the information.
I am now leaning towards the m90q Gen 5. Is there any reason not to do so?
I want to use the PCIe slot via a riser card with one of the following 25GBit network cards:
Otherwise, I would like to install the following equipment:
If possible, it should be ECC RAM. Is ECC RAM compatible with the m90q Gen 5? If so, which module should I ideally buy?
Thank you and best regards, Hoppel
I was a bit torn between buying an m90q Gen 5 or Gen 6. However, I now know that the Gen 6 will not work for my use case.
@Stovar @Gr3yh0und @MBastian Thank you for all the information.
I am now leaning towards the m90q Gen 5. Is there any reason not to do so?
I want to use the PCIe slot via a riser card with one of the following 25GBit network cards:
- Intel e810xxv-da2
- Mellanox ConnectX 4 MCX4111A
- Mellanox ConnectX 4 MCX4121A
- Mellanox ConnectX 5 MSC512A
- Mellanox ConnectX 6 MCX631102AS
Otherwise, I would like to install the following equipment:
- 1x 32GB RAM
- 2x Samsung 990 Pro 2TB
If possible, it should be ECC RAM. Is ECC RAM compatible with the m90q Gen 5? If so, which module should I ideally buy?
Thank you and best regards, Hoppel
Hi all. What is the minimum PSU I can get away with for a P340 tiny i7-10700t?
35W CPU,
7W network card,
32GB memory,
2TB m.2 NVME
I find a claim online about a 123W peak power for the 10700T. (PL2) Can anyone confirm this? And does this, in fact, exclude running my unit with a 90W PSU?
35W CPU,
7W network card,
32GB memory,
2TB m.2 NVME
I find a claim online about a 123W peak power for the 10700T. (PL2) Can anyone confirm this? And does this, in fact, exclude running my unit with a 90W PSU?
Hi guys, I ordered the M90q Gen 5.
in order to install my 25GBit network card, I need a riser card. I found the following really helpful post:
Next step is to analyze and find a working 25Gbit nic:
Thanks Hoppel
in order to install my 25GBit network card, I need a riser card. I found the following really helpful post:
It’s really not that easy to buy this riser (5C50W00933) here in Germany. But I found two options on ebay. I decided to buy it from a seller in the UK. I hope this is the right one:
Lenovo ThinkStation P3 Tiny P360 Tiny PCiE Riser Card 5C50W00933 | eBay.de
5C50W00910, 5C50W00933. PCiE Riser Card. This part is a genuine part direct from Lenovo so you can be sure you are receiving the highest quality product available. CARDPOP BLD Tiny8 PCIex16 N Riser car.
ebay.us
Next step is to analyze and find a working 25Gbit nic:
- Intel e810xxv-da2
- Mellanox ConnectX 4 MCX4111A
- Mellanox ConnectX 4 MCX4121A
- Mellanox ConnectX 5 MSC512A
- Mellanox ConnectX 6 MCX631102AS
Thanks Hoppel
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Cool keep us posted. When I get my refund from Lenovo I might also switch my P3G2 against that... But also waiting for a sale which might never come...Hi guys, I ordered the M90q Gen 5.
Just order it directly from Lenovo parts. You will need the X4 riser though, so your 2x25Gbjt would be limited at full throughput.in order to install my 25GBit network card, I need a riser card. I found the following really helpful post:
It’s really not that easy to buy this riser (5C50W00933) here in Germany. But I found two options on ebay. I decided to buy it from a seller in the UK. I hope this is the right one:
Lenovo ThinkStation P3 Tiny P360 Tiny PCiE Riser Card 5C50W00933 | eBay.de
5C50W00910, 5C50W00933. PCiE Riser Card. This part is a genuine part direct from Lenovo so you can be sure you are receiving the highest quality product available. CARDPOP BLD Tiny8 PCIex16 N Riser car.ebay.us
If you want to give the x8 a try I have two spare ones now... Also DE based
I only have the XXV710 running, have you considered this? It's one generation older but does support ASPM and is only 60-70 Euros off eBay instead of e.g. the 220 for the e810.
Hi @Gr3yh0und,
thanks for your answer.
I am not sure about which nic to choose. In which machine do you have it running?
thanks for your answer.
Yeah, I ordered from Lenovo directly. Estimated delivery is in the beginning of February.
Oh, thanks for this. I ordered one from Lenovo parts. It has a better price and faster delivery time. Yeah, I definitely want to try it.Just order it directly from Lenovo parts. You will need the X4 riser though, so your 2x25Gbjt would be limited at full throughput.
If you want to give the x8 a try I have two spare ones now... Also DE based
I had this nic on my list. Can’t remember why I removed it from my list. But yes, you are right. I had a look at the datasheets of the xxv710 and the e810xxv. Seemingly the e810 doesn’t support ASPM.
I am not sure about which nic to choose. In which machine do you have it running?
In my opinion, the Silicom PE325G2I71 is the best XXV710 for Tiny's. It's short, supports ASPM/requires no airflow, and can be updated with the stock Intel firmware if you add its ID.
You can get them super cheap on eBay... in the US:
One of the mounting screws lines up with this official Lenovo baffle so it looks stock, too:
Same deal with this:
ConnectX-4 Lx with an obscure model name, can be flashed with stock firmware. Supports ASPM, runs a little hotter than Intel. Try searching some of the model numbers in the listing title for someone that'll ship to you.
You can get them super cheap on eBay... in the US:
Silicom PE325G2I71-XR-CX DP 25Gbps PCIE Network Server Adapter Low Profile | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Silicom PE325G2I71-XR-CX DP 25Gbps PCIE Network Server Adapter Low Profile at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
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One of the mounting screws lines up with this official Lenovo baffle so it looks stock, too:
Amazon.com: New Caddy Bracket Replacement for 5M10U50350 Lenovo ThinkCentre M90q P340 P350 P360 Tiny6 7 8 Intel I350-T4 PCI Network Card Bezel w/Screw : Electronics
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Same deal with this:
HPE 817753-B21 Ethernet 10/25Gb 2-port 640SFP28 Adapter 817751-001 hh bracket | eBay
HPE 817753-B21 Ethernet 10/25Gb 2-port 640SFP28 Adapter 817751-001 HH / SHORT bracket
www.ebay.com
ConnectX-4 Lx with an obscure model name, can be flashed with stock firmware. Supports ASPM, runs a little hotter than Intel. Try searching some of the model numbers in the listing title for someone that'll ship to you.
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