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321reivax

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That's an interesting question, for the Tiny5 machines the 135W id limit lines up with the biggest power supply any of those machines shipped with, however on the schematic for the M90q gen 1 and P340 the id settings go up to 170W while they shipped with up to 230W, wonder how that works.
Either way I believe the P350 should at least be equal to that and since Lenovo shipped it with 170W and 230W adapters according to the psref, using those shouldn't give you any problems.
Hey, so I bought a M90q gen 2 instead, with a 11500. I seem to have a similar problem. The CPU stays at base clock (2.71ghz) with either a 170W or a 230W. I checked, and in BIOS turbo is enabled. in stress test and other loads, it never gets higher nor lower... It's just stuck there. Am I missing something?
 

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Hey, so I bought a M90q gen 2 instead, with a 11500. I seem to have a similar problem. The CPU stays at base clock (2.71ghz) with either a 170W or a 230W. I checked, and in BIOS turbo is enabled. in stress test and other loads, it never gets higher nor lower... It's just stuck there. Am I missing something?
Hmm that's weird, if it's not getting higher or lower specifically I'd suspect something like Intel SpeedStep is disabled. I'd take a good look through every BIOS setting that looks related to CPU power mangement, or if you don't have any special settings set just try resetting the BIOS to factory defaults and seeing if that helps. The M90q gen 2 spec page does mention the 230W adapter so in theory that means Lenovo should have added proper support for it.
 

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Question; does it matter if I use the 01AJ929 or 01AJ940 for an Intel I350-T4 NIC? I have them both and my personal preference would go to the 929 as it is an original Lenovo product but it is slower rated then the 940.. although the intel is also a 4x nic so I think the 929 will be good enough?
 

SteveFP

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Hello all,

Is there a 4 port 2.5 gig PCIe card that works in these units? I need PCI passthrough but do not need SR-IOV.

Thanks,
Steve
 

johndoe2

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Question; does it matter if I use the 01AJ929 or 01AJ940 for an Intel I350-T4 NIC? I have them both and my personal preference would go to the 929 as it is an original Lenovo product but it is slower rated then the 940.. although the intel is also a 4x nic so I think the 929 will be good enough?
I didn't question too much about this until recently I've received a P330 Tiny with a 4x (01AJ929) riser.

Turns out when running an i350 NIC through the PCH, the IOMMU group for each interface is separated by default, compared to the combined group when routing through CPU directly with the 16x riser.

Both are tested in Proxmox 8 with default PCIe passthrough enabled, no pcie_acs_override flags enabled.

Will do a bit more test on the M920q and M720q to check behaviour.

P330 Tiny + i350 + 4x riser
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P330 Tiny + i350 + 16x riser
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Separate IOMMU groups will allow you to pass each individual interface to separate VMs but you can also achieve a similar result using bridge networks.
 
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johndoe2

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I didn't question too much about this until recently I've received a P330 Tiny with a 4x (01AJ929) riser.

Turns out when running an i350 NIC through the PCH, the IOMMU group for each interface is separated by default, compared to the combined group when routing through CPU directly with the 16x riser.

Both are tested in Proxmox 8 with default PCIe passthrough enabled, no pcie_acs_override flags enabled.

Will do a bit more test on the M920q and M720q to check behaviour.

P330 Tiny + i350 + 4x riser
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P330 Tiny + i350 + 16x riser
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Separate IOMMU groups will allow you to pass each individual interface to separate VMs but you can also achieve a similar result using bridge networks.
Can confirm this behaviour is also noted on the M720q and M920q when using the 4x PCIe riser.
 

vicking

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I didn't question too much about this until recently I've received a P330 Tiny with a 4x (01AJ929) riser.

Turns out when running an i350 NIC through the PCH, the IOMMU group for each interface is separated by default, compared to the combined group when routing through CPU directly with the 16x riser.

Both are tested in Proxmox 8 with default PCIe passthrough enabled, no pcie_acs_override flags enabled.

Will do a bit more test on the M920q and M720q to check behaviour.

P330 Tiny + i350 + 4x riser
View attachment 39272

P330 Tiny + i350 + 16x riser
View attachment 39273

Separate IOMMU groups will allow you to pass each individual interface to separate VMs but you can also achieve a similar result using bridge networks.
so in this case the 4x riser would be a better choice
 

P330massive

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Any ideas?

Installed a mSATA drive (using SATA to mSATA adaptor) in addition to installing 2x NVME drives; was planning on using the mSATA drive as the OS drive and utilising the 2x 4TB NVME drives in a RAID 1 setup under Proxmox. All the drives are detected in the BIOS but Proxmox is only seeing one of the NVME drives.
 
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Old m920q front usb port can charge when machine is off. But replacement m90q gen 3. BIOS settings is set to enable all USB ports. What is missing?
 

macboy80

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Hello all. Thanks for all of the work on these. Can someone help me get my sata ssd working?

I have an m710q 7500t and I am trying to add a 2.5 SATA SSD. When I install my Dell EMC mtfddak960tdt 960GB (seems to be a micron 5300 Max) this BIOS system information shows "SATA Drive 1 - Hard Disk." Upon boot into several Linux distros, it is never recognized.

Troubleshooting notes.
  • The Dell drive is recognized in my server on a SAS3 HBA and backplane. There I ran "sgdisk -Z" on it. It currently shows as an empty disk.
  • The Micron datasheet notes that 12V is optional, at least on labeled version.
  • A Samsung 840 SSD is recognized by the tiny in bios and upon boot.
  • On the tiny, if there is no drive present, it reads "None" instead of Hard Disk.
 

NatPagles

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# Note that the m.2 slot(s) of the Mx0q Gen 2 series and P350 only support PCIe Gen 3 drives with series 10 CPUs, but PCIe Gen 4 with series 11 CPUs.

Does that mean I cant use a gen 4 nvme with a m90q gen 2? I always thought nvme gen 4 was backwards compatible with gen 3.
 

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Probably a long shot but I have an m75q-2 and am hoping to source a spare optional port bracket (15 in the attached photo) but cannot find the part number anywhere. I can find the entire lower assembly but it's across the pond and with shipping is about $70.
When I click on it on the lenovo site the show no parts because either they don't stock it anymore or never did.
I wish they just had a complete parts manual to make it easier to source parts from a third party when these go EoL. I recall Dell being good about that but am not certain.


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jolness

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# Note that the m.2 slot(s) of the Mx0q Gen 2 series and P350 only support PCIe Gen 3 drives with series 10 CPUs, but PCIe Gen 4 with series 11 CPUs.

Does that mean I cant use a gen 4 nvme with a m90q gen 2? I always thought nvme gen 4 was backwards compatible with gen 3.
You can. It is back compatable, it just will run at gen3 speeds. My m75q came with a gen 4 drive in it. Doesn't run at gen 4 speeds though.
 
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WifiCable

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Probably a long shot but I have an m75q-2 and am hoping to source a spare optional port bracket (15 in the attached photo) but cannot find the part number anywhere. I can find the entire lower assembly but it's across the pond and with shipping is about $70.
When I click on it on the lenovo site the show no parts because either they don't stock it anymore or never did.
I wish they just had a complete parts manual to make it easier to source parts from a third party when these go EoL. I recall Dell being good about that but am not certain.


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There's a list of every part for the M75q gen 2 here https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/...ntre-m75q-gen-2/11jj/parts/display/compatible
But unfortunately it seems that the bracket you're looking for is included with the whole bottom case assembly, not available separately. Maybe a different model has a compatible bracket available separately, you'd have to dig around a bit.
 
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jolness

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There's a list of every part for the M75q gen 2 here https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/...ntre-m75q-gen-2/11jj/parts/display/compatible
But unfortunately it seems that the bracket you're looking for is included with the whole bottom case assembly, not available separately. Maybe a different model has a compatible bracket available separately, you'd have to dig around a bit.
Yeah I saw they don't show it even though they break it out as a separate part.
I didn't think about using its contemporaries, as they all seem to use same basic chassis.
Appreciate the response!