Hellooo!
I have a Intel 750 PCI E 400 GB NVMe SSD drive as my main boot drive on my desktop PC, running windows 10 - 64 bit (Win 10 as boot for about the past 5 months, in the prior 2 months i had been running Win 7 - 64) . I quickly noticed that the 750 PCIe's Smart Wear endurance stat had quickly fell to 93, after about 3-5 months of ownership, after 5-7 months it was already down to 85. I could tell that I had written around 3-4 TB of data to this drive from the smart stats. Note; I did upgrade the firmware of the drive to the latest version a few weeks after the update was released (this was back in April 2016, and that FW is still the most current as of now). Also note, I had over-provisioned this SSD by about 50 GB of its 371gb raw space. As I was using Intel's SSD toolbox to monitor the smart stats every few days I began using their "CSV data export" from the SSD toolbox, for each point down in my wear endurance level so I would have a type of log. I also happen to keep very detailed notes such as bandwidth test results on the drive and other items related to this personal new PC build that I was using with the 750 in as boot (so I can clearly see that the bandwidth test over time look normal and as fast as they should be, even as the Write endurance where was falling.)
So I initially contacted Intel support and they created a case, after about two months they decided to do an CrossShip RMA (they had to charge / refund my card 800$ though, and i had to call about the refund over a week after they received my RMA), but i finally I got this new, RMA'ed 750 in and i imaged my my old 750 to this new one (that went successful with no issues), and then proceeded to start using this "new" 750 as my boot drive. I then started to notice that the Wear endurance on this new 750 was falling seemingly faster than the first one (ie by the 10th day of it being online i was already down to 96/97). So I began doing toolbox CSV export for every single point drop in the wear endurance. It's clear that I'm nowhere near the spec'd write endurance for this drive (which is about 127 TB- I know that's still pretty low for an SSD, but usually Intel is conservative on those numbers IMO).
I've seen a few other users on the Intel forms who have had similar issues but non-seemingly as extreme as what I've seen- In one case on the intel forums, a user had some kind of wild process that had written 100 TB of data to his 750 over the course of three or four months which caused his write durance to drop 10 or 15 points (which somewhat makes sense). Another user was reporting his wear endurance was falling quickly but a Intel rep blamed it on him using incompatible hardware while using the 750 as a boot drive. That didn't make much sense to me, since the smart data the drive records (indicating the number of host writes and NAND writes should be agnostic to your hardware).
As I said I do have quite a bit of experience with both consumer and enterprise SSD drives (mainly Intel and HGST drives), as I often build servers enterprise class servers for my IT customers-that said I have never seen any SSD fall anywhere close to or as quickly as my 2 x 750s have, with so little write's recorded by SMART.
Does anyone have any input on this? Is it possible that my OS is doing a certain type of low MB count write such that it really hurts the write endurance but doesn't rack up a high number of MB/GB writes on the SMART counters? (im posting screen shots of my write endurance along with the corresponding HOST/NAND GB writes along with some FULL CSV exports from the intel ssd tool box, at XYZ write endurance count).
I can tell one of the Intel reps I've been working with seems to be suggesting something along the lines that possibly my OS is doing a lot of really small writes which could cause the wear endurance to fall much faster than the spec'd endurance level for the drive.
At this rate, now that I've gone through 2 x 750 PCIe 's it seems that the only solution would be to get an enterprise class P3600 or P3700 PCIe to use as my boot drive (because even the enterprise level P3500 PCIe only has about 10 times the write endurance of this consumer 750- according to the specs).
thanks for any help / input and sorry for the long, wordy post (but this has been a really long, annoying issue).
btw; i do have a windows gadget that keeps track of process level disk writes, and it always shows Chrome and Firefox as the processes with the most writes to the 750 boot drive, and not in amounts that are anything crazy. For those wondering, the main tasks i use this desktop PC for are, Web browsing (ALOT of web browsing, as in i often have 50+ chrome windows + TABS open at a time) , alot of SSH / RDP / VNC sessions, and some other remote network type tools for work. Very little to NO gaming, and very little to NO photoshop / adobe premier work.
tks
From my 2nd "new" 750 PCIE:
CSV export AT 93 (see attached .zip file below):
CSV export AT 96 (see attached .zip file below):
From my 1st "RMA'd" 750 PCIE:
I have a Intel 750 PCI E 400 GB NVMe SSD drive as my main boot drive on my desktop PC, running windows 10 - 64 bit (Win 10 as boot for about the past 5 months, in the prior 2 months i had been running Win 7 - 64) . I quickly noticed that the 750 PCIe's Smart Wear endurance stat had quickly fell to 93, after about 3-5 months of ownership, after 5-7 months it was already down to 85. I could tell that I had written around 3-4 TB of data to this drive from the smart stats. Note; I did upgrade the firmware of the drive to the latest version a few weeks after the update was released (this was back in April 2016, and that FW is still the most current as of now). Also note, I had over-provisioned this SSD by about 50 GB of its 371gb raw space. As I was using Intel's SSD toolbox to monitor the smart stats every few days I began using their "CSV data export" from the SSD toolbox, for each point down in my wear endurance level so I would have a type of log. I also happen to keep very detailed notes such as bandwidth test results on the drive and other items related to this personal new PC build that I was using with the 750 in as boot (so I can clearly see that the bandwidth test over time look normal and as fast as they should be, even as the Write endurance where was falling.)
So I initially contacted Intel support and they created a case, after about two months they decided to do an CrossShip RMA (they had to charge / refund my card 800$ though, and i had to call about the refund over a week after they received my RMA), but i finally I got this new, RMA'ed 750 in and i imaged my my old 750 to this new one (that went successful with no issues), and then proceeded to start using this "new" 750 as my boot drive. I then started to notice that the Wear endurance on this new 750 was falling seemingly faster than the first one (ie by the 10th day of it being online i was already down to 96/97). So I began doing toolbox CSV export for every single point drop in the wear endurance. It's clear that I'm nowhere near the spec'd write endurance for this drive (which is about 127 TB- I know that's still pretty low for an SSD, but usually Intel is conservative on those numbers IMO).
I've seen a few other users on the Intel forms who have had similar issues but non-seemingly as extreme as what I've seen- In one case on the intel forums, a user had some kind of wild process that had written 100 TB of data to his 750 over the course of three or four months which caused his write durance to drop 10 or 15 points (which somewhat makes sense). Another user was reporting his wear endurance was falling quickly but a Intel rep blamed it on him using incompatible hardware while using the 750 as a boot drive. That didn't make much sense to me, since the smart data the drive records (indicating the number of host writes and NAND writes should be agnostic to your hardware).
As I said I do have quite a bit of experience with both consumer and enterprise SSD drives (mainly Intel and HGST drives), as I often build servers enterprise class servers for my IT customers-that said I have never seen any SSD fall anywhere close to or as quickly as my 2 x 750s have, with so little write's recorded by SMART.
Does anyone have any input on this? Is it possible that my OS is doing a certain type of low MB count write such that it really hurts the write endurance but doesn't rack up a high number of MB/GB writes on the SMART counters? (im posting screen shots of my write endurance along with the corresponding HOST/NAND GB writes along with some FULL CSV exports from the intel ssd tool box, at XYZ write endurance count).
I can tell one of the Intel reps I've been working with seems to be suggesting something along the lines that possibly my OS is doing a lot of really small writes which could cause the wear endurance to fall much faster than the spec'd endurance level for the drive.
At this rate, now that I've gone through 2 x 750 PCIe 's it seems that the only solution would be to get an enterprise class P3600 or P3700 PCIe to use as my boot drive (because even the enterprise level P3500 PCIe only has about 10 times the write endurance of this consumer 750- according to the specs).
thanks for any help / input and sorry for the long, wordy post (but this has been a really long, annoying issue).
btw; i do have a windows gadget that keeps track of process level disk writes, and it always shows Chrome and Firefox as the processes with the most writes to the 750 boot drive, and not in amounts that are anything crazy. For those wondering, the main tasks i use this desktop PC for are, Web browsing (ALOT of web browsing, as in i often have 50+ chrome windows + TABS open at a time) , alot of SSH / RDP / VNC sessions, and some other remote network type tools for work. Very little to NO gaming, and very little to NO photoshop / adobe premier work.
tks
From my 2nd "new" 750 PCIE:
CSV export AT 93 (see attached .zip file below):
CSV export AT 96 (see attached .zip file below):
From my 1st "RMA'd" 750 PCIE:
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