First gen Epyc has NUMA and is so-so compared to something like Rome.I'm guessing a comparable Supermicro motherboard and a 1st gen Epyc 16 core for about $800 would get other forum members votes here?
(Plus ECC & IPMI support)
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First gen Epyc has NUMA and is so-so compared to something like Rome.I'm guessing a comparable Supermicro motherboard and a 1st gen Epyc 16 core for about $800 would get other forum members votes here?
(Plus ECC & IPMI support)
Edit for clarity
Yeah, but Rome is also newer, so you'll have to pay today's prices.First gen Epyc has NUMA and is so-so compared to something like Rome.
It isn't. I never considered the HEDT premium to be worth the outlay.As a person putting together a home lab, what kind of platform with similar specs could you use as a server in this price range?
Something 16+ cores and supporting a decent amount of memory.
Granted there's no ECC or IPMI.
I purchased one, found a good looking (quality) motherboard and I'm up to almost $750. I was looking at getting another but if someone can make a recommendation for something else I'll take a hard look at it.
Just a novice's take.
Also, from what I've seen, the performance uplift from the newer Intel HEDT generations is pretty small.
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lolwut, no it's boxed and the predecessor to it.That's not a bad deal at all...the i9-7900X are just the tray version of the commercial i9-9900xe series right?
Oh good to know...it's a skylake 14c though right? I just moved over from xeons and the i7-8086k & i9-9900ks side so this will be my first hedt build.lolwut, no it's boxed and the predecessor to it.
Oh good to know...it's a skylake 14c though right? I just moved over from xeons and the i7-8086k & i9-9900ks side so this will be my first hedt build.
OK so that makes a lot of sense. I went digging for odd things like aes-ni support but couldn't find any difference between the 7 an 9 in this case other than the +MHZ off set they looked like the same cpu. But the TIM vs Solder and thermal headroom on the 7 series to me makes it actually more appealing if you want to delid and go for broke.They are exactly the same, 7-series and 9-series are identical, only 7-series has TIM and starting from the 9-series you have solder, the only difference between 10-series and 7-series is that the 10 core and 12 core chips have more L3 cache than their 7-series counterparts, and the higher frequencies (because they have solder). So the 7980xe is the same as 9980xe and 10980xe, you just need to delid it and apply LM (you can buy a cheap delidder on aliexpress for like $10), but ideally you want a direct die frame like this (keep in mind that from 12 core and up you need a version with a wider gap because of the bigger die size, this is mentioned in the ebay ad).
Yes, it's insane that you can get a monster of a CPU for X299 for peanuts, but it is offset by the cost of the motherboard/mandatory CPU+VRM waterblock(if you're planning to overclock, and if you're not, then you might as well buy a Ryzen)/no ECC support (and pricier ram)/insane power draw and an extremely costly cooling solution, so at the end of the day you should only look at something like this only if you actually have a serious workstation load AND you want to game on the same PC, but you might as well just get a Ryzen 5600X build for gaming (where any cooler will suffice) and a completely separate PC for other uses.
It's like buying a 10-year-old Mercedes AMG. Yeah, it used to cost a shit-load, yes, it's much cheaper now, but there are so many things to watch out for at which point you start scratching your head, debating whether or not you even want this in the first place.
It makes sense if you can get a motherboard for dirt cheap, and in some countries it's possible. Here in Russia, I've bought a few middle of the barrel mobos for $100 (MSI X299 Tomahawk AC/Gigabyte X299 aorus gaming 7/Asus X299 prime), but I had to hunt hard and wait for the sellers.
On ebay you only get the crappy mobos for $200 with shitty VRMs that will only allow for some light overclocks, so you're best off landing a motherboard deal locally and then building around that.
I'm guessing a comparable Supermicro motherboard and a 1st gen Epyc 16 core for about $800 would get other forum members votes here?
(Plus ECC & IPMI support)
Edit for clarity
But it’s not 2007 so 1366 is kind of crazy to spend money on at this pointWhy not a dell R820 quad socket? I like the qpi xeons offer and with the newer scalable upi you can just 2x or 4x any system pretty reasonably even a few gens back are awesome for virtualization and the dells are dirt cheap as everyone runs them.
Something like this:
Usd$1100 ish
Pcie gen 3 x120 lanes
32 cores @ 2.4ghz
128gb ram
2x 900tb enterprise 10k sas.
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Or a "dell" Facebook custom order c6100 quad blade dual x5600 with 12x 2.5 bays and mezzanine cards. Great for connecting one blade to a San and running three heads, or having each use their own caching ssd and spinning disks on-board. These had 192gb per blade, dual x5675 3ghz chips fiber channel mezzanine cards. I set mine up with 3 blades as vm heads 12 cores per blade, 16gb ram per core. And one as my storage blade. I used it to cache across 4x 200gb ssds and then write to the 8 drives in a raid 10 2x4 config. Crazy power for the money, you just have to be creative in your search or ask around. Those boxes are found now for like $1-2k pretty loaded and running strong. Power hungry though.. I pulled ram just to save power on a lot of the boards.
Really depends on purpose though..ghz per core, l3, ram, pcie version. Lots of options in both amd and intel.
this so much, X58/1366 is a dead platform. Anything below Broadwell/Xeon v4 are pretty much a boat anchor at this point.But it’s not 2007 so 1366 is kind of crazy to spend money on at this point
For a lab vm box in a chip shortage I was saying you don't have have current gear or spend a fortune to get a VM box with a lot of ram and cores..assuming the need for 16 cores is for.multiple VMs and not a single database. And where there is a lot of multithreading like a VM environment...the ratio of L3 per core is significant as L3 is the queue between fetch and execute cycles. Of course there is a balance of other parts, core speeds, architecture, ram qty and speed, iops, etc...but apples to apples in a well designed system, even generations apart...the higher the L3 per core, the faster it will respond when under load...be it AMD or Intel.Could we please stop comparing CPUs from different decades with completely different architectures based on specs like "L3 cache" and "aggregate frequency"? It just doesn't make any sense.