EXPIRED HYVE Edge Metal G10 - Epyc 7642 - 250£/offer

[Cruzader]

HYV-S-CF-EDGE-G10-04, 1x 100-000000074 EPYC7642 (Read Description) 2xDPS-650AB-1

Stumbled upon these hyve units that might be interesting for somebody else here also.

HYVE Edge Metal G10
- Epyc 7642, "100-000000074 EPYC7642 (Locked to the motherboard)" by listing
- MCX4421A-ACAN 2x 25gbe nic
- 4x NVME, pair of m.2 on mobo and another pair by what looks like U.2 adapters
- 2x 650w

249.99£/ea or offers, 32 units left atm.

I had 100£/ea for 8 units accepted personally (that is ex.vat. as im outside eu/uk).
First time i see epyc hyves at a reasonable price so i just had to grab some.

 

[luckylinux]

HYV-S-CF-EDGE-G10-04, 1x 100-000000074 EPYC7642 (Read Description) 2xDPS-650AB-1

Stumbled upon these hyve units that might be interesting for somebody else here also.

HYVE Edge Metal G10
- Epyc 7642, "100-000000074 EPYC7642 (Locked to the motherboard)" by listing
- MCX4421A-ACAN 2x 25gbe nic
- 4x NVME, pair of m.2 on mobo and another pair by what looks like U.2 adapters
- 2x 650w

249.99£/ea or offers, 32 units left atm.

I had 100£/ea for 8 units accepted personally (that is ex.vat. as im outside eu/uk).
First time i see epyc hyves at a reasonable price so i just had to grab some.

So it's a soldered CPU ("Locked to the motherboard") or what ?

Looking at the Benchmarks if it comes with CPU then it's approximatively 22% better than the AMD Ryzen 5950x it's the same as a Ryzen 5950x approximatively ...

AMD EPYC 7642 Benchmark

Is Riser included ? I can only see 2 x NVMe Slots from their Picture, they state there are 4 NVMe (Slots ?):



EDIT 1: do you know how the Management (IPMI/BMC/KVM) works in terms of Software Support, License, etc ?

What about BIOS / BMC Firmware availability for Updates ?

EDIT 2: fix my Remark about the Benchmark comparison with AMD Ryzen 5950: the HYVES is actually approximatively 22% better than the AMD Ryzen 5950x

 

[pppcx]

very discount.Too bad shipping is too high for me.

 

[VMman]

So it's a soldered CPU ("Locked to the motherboard") or what ?

Likely just vendor locked to the mainboard using e-fuses

 

[89giop]

Just to let you guys know there are a few hiccups with this notherboard

https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/s8036gm2ne-le-with-7642-cpu-very-basic-bios-and-bmc-options.48039/

 

[bob_dvb]

Sucks about the BMC, I'd probably buy a few if I was not away and the BMC upgrade worked.

 

[Cruzader]

Im gone guess that these are coming out of cloudflare.
By how they specced them with the same adapters to m.2 in their blog post and mention using 7642 in their 10th generation unit before moving to 7713 as 11th gen.

They also have the same 8 grey dimm blanks in them like seller has in their pictures.


Would fit with how they are also G10 by sellers like Bargainhardware that start them at 650£, and cloudflare also refers to them as Edge like sellers do.

So it's a soldered CPU ("Locked to the motherboard") or what ?

That should make this a no also, as they mention testing the G11 7713 spec using G10 units.

 

[luckylinux]

If it's just the Fan Speed, that's nothing an ESP32 / Arduino / Raspberry Pi Pico cannot fix .

I guess you'll have to "cheat" and anyways send a forged Fan Signal to the BMC (maybe pass-through the TACH Signal could also work, but if the Speed is too Low for what the BMC wants, it might not be sufficient), otherwise it will probably shutdown everything if no Fan is connected.

 

[Cruzader]

EDIT 1: @Cruzader , are you sure you actually PAID 100 GBP / Piece excluding VAT ? I also OFFERED 95 GBP / Piece and that got accepted, but at Checkout I see the following for 4 Pieces (which seem to indicate that I only actually PAID 79 GBP / Piece VAT Free):
View attachment 45014

So it actually is only 79 GBP/Piece which actually corresponds to the VAT-free Price (79 GBP * (100% + 20% UK VAT) = 95 GBP), while 95 GBP corresponds to the VAT-incluside Price for a UK-based Private Customer.

Which for eBay is always confusing: you seem to get VAT charged Twice when you do the Offer, but at checkout THEIR VAT (20%) get deducted, while yours (or mine: 25%) gets added (Einfuhrabgaben).

Yes i paid 100/ea, im outside EU/UK so it does not do any adjustment or subtraction of VAT for me.

Thats why i always make sure to mention "ex.vat. export (Outside EU/UK vat zone)" as offer comment since it does not subtract it for me, what they accept is what it checks out as before adding my domestic VAT.

 

[luckylinux]

For 4 Pieces I offered 80 GBP / each, the Seller just countered with 120 GBP / each. All excluding VAT of course (that gets added on top).

So not quite the Good Offer that @Cruzader had.

 

[Cruzader]

EDIT 2: For PCIe Riser I guess one of them could be something like Supermicro RSC-RR1U-E16 ... What about the other (facing the opposite Way), would that be Supermicro RSC-R1UTP-E16R ?

For riser this will require the correct tyan ones, these are also used in 2U models and have a x24 slot to offer support for 2-3 slot risers also.

From manual

(1) PCI-E Gen4 x 24 slot,
(1) PCI-E Gen4 x 24 slot (w/x16 link; can be x24 link if OCP mezz. conn.B is not used. Please contact with Tyan technical support for details.)

In this 1U unit available with the same S8036GM2NE-LE motherboard as these are using, they list these 2 risers.

Riser Card
411T61600001 M8036-R16-1F riser card
411T61600004 M8036-L16-1F riser card

Id expect the L and R to be right and left facing slots, as they are back to back.


By manual the m.2 slots are also gen3 with sata support

(2) 22110/2280 (by PCI-E Gen3 & SATA interface)

So that should make it a total of 6 nvme with the 4 in front (2 on top and 2 on bottom of plate) and the pair of m.2
(i asked seller if they could add a picture of the underside mounting also, cloudflare mentions using 3 drives so should be atleast 1 U.2->M.2 adapter there)


They have also added more stock to the listing.

 

[Terexxor]

UK based buyer here, I got three for 133 gbp each inc vat.

Any ideas on the max length of cards that can fit in the PCI slots? I think Arc A310 low profile can fit but what about external HBA’s? Maybe LSI 9300-16e?

Looks like the M8036-L16-1F is not available anywhere.

 

[luckylinux]

That should make this a no also, as they mention testing the G11 7713 spec using G10 units.

So it just means that one cannot take the CPU out of the Motherboard and sell it standalone, because it's been locked to this Specific Motherboard (or this specific Vendor), I guess through Platform Secure Boot (PSB) ?

EDIT1: Like ... the CPU is included in the Deal, correct ?

 

[89giop]

Has anyone found any suitable solutions for rails yet?

 

[luckylinux]

Alright they accepted 95 GBP / Piece for 4 Pieces now (excluding VAT of Course). Not as cheap as I would have liked but I guess it's a (supposedly) good Deal.

Not sure where I will even install them though . I still haven't setup most of the 24x Asrock Rack B450D4U-V1LQ5 Boards that I bought a while back either .

EDIT 1: @Cruzader , are you sure you actually PAID 100 GBP / Piece excluding VAT ? I also OFFERED 95 GBP / Piece and that got accepted, but at Checkout I see the following for 4 Pieces (which seem to indicate that I only actually PAID 79 GBP / Piece VAT Free):


So it actually is only 79 GBP/Piece which actually corresponds to the VAT-free Price (79 GBP * (100% + 20% UK VAT) = 95 GBP), while 95 GBP corresponds to the VAT-incluside Price for a UK-based Private Customer.

Which for eBay is always confusing: you seem to get VAT charged Twice when you do the Offer, but at checkout THEIR VAT (20%) get deducted, while yours (or mine: 25%) gets added (Einfuhrabgaben).

EDIT 2: For PCIe Riser I guess one of them could be something like Supermicro RSC-RR1U-E16 ... What about the other (facing the opposite Way), would that be Supermicro RSC-R1UTP-E16R ?

 

[89giop]

Isn't it (or at least the Inner Rail) already included ?

Bottom of the Picture:
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Damn i missed that. I wonder if he has more stock..shipping to AU is just as much as the server but the way you described it against the ryzen is giving my fomo for a cluster lol

 

[89giop]

Well maybe ask the Seller if you care about Rails just to be 100% sure.

To me it looks like at least an Inner Rail, because the other Side already has the Rack Ears.

FYI Power Consumption seems to be >= 100W at IDLE:

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-epyc-7642-benchmarks-and-review-48-cores-of-power/

I wasn't been able to get my 2nd gen EPYC 7642 idle under 100W. Most of that pow... | Hacker News

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I know it's NOT an accurate Figure but that's the only Thing I found about this CPU

So if you look at Idle 2 x Ryzen Systems are probably going to fair better especially at Idle. Much more expensive RAM and the CPU on top of it though ...

There is always a catch isn't there! I guess it's because it has 6x CCDs...

 

[luckylinux]

Yes i paid 100/ea, im outside EU/UK so it does not do any adjustment or subtraction of VAT for me.

Thats why i always make sure to mention "ex.vat. export (Outside EU/UK vat zone)" as offer comment since it does not subtract it for me, what they accept is what it checks out as before adding my domestic VAT.

Are you sure ? So either I paid 20% less than you did (per Piece) or ... you are paying VAT twice (to Norway & to the UK in this Case) ....

EDIT 1: so in your Case it would be 125 GBP / Piece inclusive of 25% Norwegian VAT, right ?

 

[Cruzader]

Well maybe ask the Seller if you care about Rails just to be 100% sure.

To me it looks like at least an Inner Rail, because the other Side already has the Rack Ears.

FYI Power Consumption seems to be >= 100W at IDLE:

https://www.servethehome.com/amd-epyc-7642-benchmarks-and-review-48-cores-of-power/

I wasn't been able to get my 2nd gen EPYC 7642 idle under 100W. Most of that pow... | Hacker News

news.ycombinator.com

I know it's NOT an accurate Figure but that's the only Thing I found about this CPU

So if you look at Idle 2 x Ryzen Systems are probably going to fair better especially at Idle. Much more expensive RAM and the CPU on top of it though ...

Im expecting these to be a 85-90w idle since a bit more slimmed down spec.

But by how i see it (rough prices with import/shipping);
- B450D4U-V1LQ5, 50$
- 5700x, 125$
- psu, 30$
- case, 120-150$ (so il go by 135)
- cooler, 20$
- 4x 32gb, 150-180$ (so il go by 165)
- nic, 25$
- assumed idle-ish 30w at 0,085$kwh, 44$ for 2yrs.
595$

The hyve just missing ram;
- server itself, 200$
- 4x 32gb, 80$
- assumed idle-ish 90w at 0,085$kwh, 132$ for 2yrs.
412$

Its not low power, but its still gone be cheaper for me to run for 2years.
The hyve is also priced so far below its real value that id have no problem reselling it at the same cost in 2 years (probably also turn a profit), while the ryzen build will likely have lost 30-50% of its value.

Most epyc mobos alone are close to 3x what they wanted for this server now, even the cheap route of HUANANZHI H12D-8D is 2x this (and their bundle with a quivalent cpu is 4x the hyves cost).

 

[Cruzader]

I think your comparison is a bit wrong, although I agree with your Conclusions :

Its roughly the build i was considering doing for some nodes.

I am starting to feel a increasing need to grab these tyans/hyves for my next storage nodes now, atleast ordering one of that model to see how they are on consumption.

Ive spent probably 550-600$ per node sofar on ryzens.
If those are just 30-50w above the ryzens im tempted to grab a stack by seafreight and move over to them.

 

[fossxplorer]

Just curious how TYAN GT86C-B5630 are cooled? Couldn't see a single fan and given it's 1U if smaller fans are used noise would be an issue for some

EDIT: now i see those 6 smaller fans after disks. Pulling warm air from 12 disks to cool CPU and RAM doesn't seem optimal either

 

[luckylinux]

UK based buyer here, I got three for 133 gbp each inc vat.

Any ideas on the max length of cards that can fit in the PCI slots? I think Arc A310 low profile can fit but what about external HBA’s? Maybe LSI 9300-16e?

Looks like the M8036-L16-1F is not available anywhere.

That seems a bit high considering that I got 4 for 111 GBP / Piece inclusive of Danish VAT (25%) AND Shipping.

 

[Cruzader]

But why would you want to take those HYVES with Xeon Scalable ?

They would be as storage nodes, so their 12x 3.5" 2x 2.5" bays is what im after.

I suppose if i hate the mobo in them i can stick a B450D4U-V1LQ5 in the case.
But idealy id use that mobo, replace nic with a dual port, put a 9400-16i in the riser and grab 2 new sas cables at 8-10$/ea then ready to use.

The epyc hyves sold out yesterday and still not restocked, might be all gone so setting as expired.

 

[luckylinux]

For riser this will require the correct tyan ones, these are also used in 2U models and have a x24 slot to offer support for 2-3 slot risers also.

From manual


In this 1U unit available with the same S8036GM2NE-LE motherboard as these are using, they list these 2 risers.

Id expect the L and R to be right and left facing slots, as they are back to back.


By manual the m.2 slots are also gen3 with sata support


So that should make it a total of 6 nvme with the 4 in front (2 on top and 2 on bottom of plate) and the pair of m.2
(i asked seller if they could add a picture of the underside mounting also, cloudflare mentions using 3 drives so should be atleast 1 U.2->M.2 adapter there)
View attachment 45019

They have also added more stock to the listing.

I fail to see how any standard Supermicro 1U Riser won't work though.

Is the PCIe Slot located slightly at different Height compared to the Supermicro ?

I could only find this one (from China) for M8036-R16-1F

Pardon Our Interruption...

Nothing for the M8036-L16-1F .

 

[hmartin]

4x 32gb, 80$

I would very much like to know where you are buying four 32GB DDR4 Reg ECC sticks for less than $1/GB that aren't 2133MHz.

From what I have seen, 2666MHz and 3200MHz RDIMMs are all much more expensive.

 

[luckylinux]

@Cruzader By the Way, I ended buying another 4 of them . So 8 in Total (for now at least). I still cannot believe how cheap it is compared to e.g. the ASROCK B450D4U-V1LQ5 we bought and discussed in the other Thread, considering that the CPU is included with this EDGE System, you can install cheap RDIMM/LRDIMM DDR4, and it has like 2-3x the Performance of a AMD Ryzen 3700X / AMD Ryzen 5700X. Plus PCIe 4.0 Support if People care about that .



The only minor problem is to figure out where I should install them and how I should deal with the Fan Noise.

Water Cooling anybody ?

EDIT 1: or possibly Undervolting a bit via Software plus some slight Underclocking ?

 

[Cruzader]

I would very much like to know where you are buying four 32GB DDR4 Reg ECC sticks for less than $1/GB that aren't 2133MHz.

From what I have seen, 2666MHz and 3200MHz RDIMMs are all much more expensive.

Beyond for my lab i also flip servers, so its just from completely different pricing in large lots than for 1-8dimm sets.
The 2933 il be using for these ive pulled from servers ive flipped tho.

When i get typically a stack of dl380 g10 with gen2 gold/platinum cpus and 384-512gb 2933 in the 400-600$/ea area i drop them down to 2400/2666 and maybe a pair of 6138 cpus.
Since i can get 2400/2666 around 0,5$/gb when buying a few tb at the time and most buying basic specs dont really care about clockrates.

 

[hmartin]

When i get typically a stack of dl380 g10 with gen2 gold/platinum cpus and 384-512gb 2933 in the 400-600$/ea area i drop them down to 2400/2666 and maybe a pair of 6138 cpus.
Since i can get 2400/2666 around 0,5$/gb when buying a few tb at the time and most buying basic specs dont really care about clockrates.

That's a really sweet deal, nice.

Could I suggest prefacing your build budget with "prices based on my side-business flipping servers," or something? Otherwise people (like me) will get unrealistic expectations for what is a fair price to pay for certain components.

 

[luckylinux]

Has anyone found any suitable solutions for rails yet?

Isn't it (or at least the Inner Rail) already included ?

Bottom of the Picture:

 

[Cruzader]

Could I suggest prefacing your build budget with "prices based on my side-business flipping servers," or something? Otherwise people (like me) will get unrealistic expectations for what is a fair price to pay for certain components.

For 2666 id say its a achivable cost, and for a lab node id say thats plenty for the majority as they will not be pushing it hard regardless.

Id expect my power rates from hydropower overproduction in this region to be a far bigger issue with my math for most people.
(But i am curious to see how much of a consumption drop something like a 2 chiplet 7282 120tdp that is 60$ or so would offer over the 8 chiplet 225tdp, even tho id never make back the power savings.)

Ah OK.

Dude, you (and me too ) just bought 8.

Are you setting up a Datacenter at Home or what ?

I might have fallen for the temptation to grab another 8 after first order... so getting 16.

il probably put 8 in my own lab and 8 in my labrack at work.
The lab hosts there are getting old without much of a budget to get decent stuff.
So probably just suggest a trade of 8 against 3-4tb ddr4 out of old blades or something like that, so the incoming modest lab budget for next year can go towards replacing the old networking with some 25/100g mikrotiks instead.