Half height PCIe x16 to Dual M.2+PCIe x8 slot in a space constrained Jonsbo N3

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TrevorH

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I've not seen anyone talk about these rather interesting if niche PCIe cards so this is my experience with one so far. I have an Asrock mini-ITX motherboard in a Jonsbo N3, 8 bay NAS case and the motherboard only has 4 native SATA ports so I've been looking for ways to add more so I can use all 8 bays.

My first experiment was by replacing the unused wifi M.2 A+E card with a dual port SATA card with a JMB582 chipset. This worked well but only gave me 2 extra ports and was generally a bit shonky to look at. The drawbacks to this were that the wifi M.2 slot is right next to the only pcie slot on the motherboard and the SATA sockets pointed directly at it. Even by searching my massive bucket of SATA cables I couldn't find a cable with a plug short enough so the M.2 pcie card was leaning over at an 95 degree angle and the SATA cables were bent round at right angles and rubbing against all the solder joints on my Solarflare SFN8522 card. Both SATA ports faced the same direction so right angled SATA connectors would not fit either. Not ideal but it worked. Bandwidth limited to pcie 3.0 x1 and only 2 ports though.

Second experiment was again with an M.2 A+E card but this one had a ribbon cable leading to a 4 port daughter card with an ASM1064 chip. SATA sockets were accessible and easy to use. Drawback, the ribbon cable is completely unshielded so when I ran `hdparm -tT /dev/sdX` against an SSD attached to it, I got 40MB/s (not a typo). Too much electromagnetic smog inside a very crowded mini-ITX case! Removing it and wrapping a couple of layers of aluminium kitchen foil round the ribbon cable (steering clear of the connector ends) and then with non-conductive tape and retesting got it up to about 100MB/s. Still crap but better and proof that it's the unshielded cable at fault. Also, due to some weirdness in the linux ahci driver, it finds 24 SATA ports on this card and tries to talk to them all at boot time. That one went back due to the unshielded cable.

Third and final attempt was using a half height PCIe riser card that requires PCIe bifurcation. There seem to be a lot of these around on Amazon though I've not managed to find the correct search arguments to find only these but this https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0GRWYBRD2 is the one I got. This is a half height PCIe x16 card with an M.2 socket on each side and an x16 PCIe socket on the top that runs at x8. I've switched the bracket on my Solarflare card over for a low profile one and that's inserted into the top x16 slot then I have a 5 port JMB585 (PCIe x2) M.2 to SATA adapter (£17) on one side and a Samsung PM9A1a on the other. BIOS is set to use x8x4x4 bifurcation. I've got all 8 bays usable and still have one spare SATA port left over for luck. I've got a dual port 10GbE card and 3 M.2 SSDs all running at full speed. Only drawback I've found so far is that the SF-109041 bracket that I bought to convert the SFN8522 to low profile is wrong handed so the screwhole on the bracket is on the wrong side to fit in the hole. Google tells me that's normal but it still seems odd. Oh, and any M.2 heatsink needs to be pretty much exactly 22mm wide or it'll short out the wires leading to the upper pcie socket.
 

louie1961

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I had one of those in my recently sold Ryzen 5 Pro server that was based on the Fractal Design Node 304 case. It worked wonderfully. I had a 6 port ASM 1166 based card in one of the onboard PCI slots, passed through to a TrueNAS scale VM. I had an NVME drive in the other onboard M.2 socket. I was using the Gigabyte B550I Aorus Pro AX board. I used the bifurcation adapter for two additional NVME drives and a low profile 10gbe card. The only reason I sold it was that I wanted to run a GPU instead.
 

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Third and final attempt was using a half height PCIe riser card that requires PCIe bifurcation. There seem to be a lot of these around on Amazon though I've not managed to find the correct search arguments to find only these but this https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0GRWYBRD2 is the one I got. This is a half height PCIe x16 card with an M.2 socket on each side and an x16 PCIe socket on the top that runs at x8. I've switched the bracket on my Solarflare card over for a low profile one and that's inserted into the top x16 slot then I have a 5 port JMB585 (PCIe x2) M.2 to SATA adapter (£17) on one side and a Samsung PM9A1a on the other. BIOS is set to use x8x4x4 bifurcation. I've got all 8 bays usable and still have one spare SATA port left over for luck. I've got a dual port 10GbE card and 3 M.2 SSDs all running at full speed. Only drawback I've found so far is that the SF-109041 bracket that I bought to convert the SFN8522 to low profile is wrong handed so the screwhole on the bracket is on the wrong side to fit in the hole. Google tells me that's normal but it still seems odd. Oh, and any M.2 heatsink needs to be pretty much exactly 22mm wide or it'll short out the wires leading to the upper pcie socket.
searching for "x8x4x4" was the only way I was able to get these when I was looking. Amazon search is pretty terrible for these things. Some of the ones I saw only claim support for gen3 deep in the description, and none of them had any real reviews. I think theyre making rufus the actual search engine because that's the only easy way to find what you want and not random things.

I was considering buying an intel b50 +2ssds but I'm scared of the wobble that you could see with that. Did you notice any issues?

*Edit Now I see a few more options including one claiming to be pcie gen 5. 0 reviews but only $16 so maybe I'll give it a try.
 
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TrevorH

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I'd like it if there was a half height backplate on the x8x4x4 adapter with a slot that you could thread the network card bracket through as I think it would make me worry less about wobble. I think once you have the top plugin card inserted and have done the bracket screw up tight, it's fairly stable. Would I like it if it was firmer still? Yes. But then this is in a NAS case that's going to sit on the shelf for a year at a time before I take it apart to de-dust it so it's not going to have much cause for wobble. Not many earthquakes in my region.

The one I bought has PCIe 5.0 stencilled all over it but I'm only using it for 3.0 as the Ryzen 5750G doesn't do 4.0. I had a couple of these on my list, one was PCIe 4.0 and allegedly shipped from Northern Ireland to the UK mainland and would have arrived in about 3 weeks time or this one that shipped from Shenzen and said it would be here the day after tomorrow and got here 2 days early. It was 6 days from door to door.
 

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I'm a big fan of the N3. To avoid all the mechanical kluginess of m.2 sata adapters I just went with a mini-DTX motherboard, which is like a mini-ITX motherboard but with 1 extra pcie slot:

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This let me put a "real" HBA in the PCIe x1 slot next to the full sized GPU.
Another bonus to the case is that you can fix 2 5.25" bays in the front with relatively minimal modification and some 3d printing:
N3_1.jpg
 

TrevorH

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I was considering buying an intel b50 +2ssds but I'm scared of the wobble that you could see with that. Did you notice any issues?
I had mine apart again tonight to finish tidying things up and I checked how stable the Solarflare/riser combo was and it didn't move at all when I tried giving it a lateral push where they join (power was off) so I'm pretty confident that it's OK.
 
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zzz111

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I ordered one that had delivery quoted on amazon at April 22-May 8 (I ordered on April 21st according to invoice), and I just found it arrived on the 23rd without an amazon notification until last night. and it was marked as delivered on the 27th on amazon. interesting. I think I see where the rufus tokens are going.

The board itself is surprisingly good quality. It has a RoHs label and 2 led's. is there any documentation to say what the led's do? nope but they're there
 
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is there any documentation to say what the led's do?
Shine brighter than a (green) sun?

I think mine said something about them lighting up when an M.2 device is installed in the corresponding slot.