Everyone's next boot drive S3500 480GB $120

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  1. Evan

    Evan Well-Known Member

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    No contest ! S3500 over mx500 imho any day of the week.
     
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  2. vabch22

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    Great thank you. I figured as much just wanted to verify with the datastore guys. Order placed. :)
     
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  3. Evan

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    Nearly always the case that enterprise drives will run rings around consumer on anything but the lightest workload. For sata that’s for me that’s intel like these or I am partial to the sm863/pm863 from Samsung mainly because of the value for money on the pm863 and larger sizes, recently though with the firmware issues others have been having with Samsung It’s made me think twice and do see intel as being better in this regard.
     
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  4. vabch22

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    I just got the drive in, but a little worried about the SMART data. Would you keep the drive or return it an exchange and/or try another seller?

    Health: 100%
    Life: 54%
    POH: 33k
    Total LBAs written: 1050070.56 GB
    Total LBAs read: 936482.78 GB
     
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  5. nle

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    I just got my 800 GB drive, and it seems to work fine as far as I can tell.

    Are there any best practices?

    The current firmware is D201DL13, and I tried to update the firmware, but I just got a message that said "Please contact your Intel representative about firmware update for this drive".

    This is the smart info:
    Code:
    martctl 6.6 2017-08-08 r4433 [x86_64-linux-6.7.0] (daily-20170808)
    Copyright (C) 2002-17, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
    
    === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
    Model Family:     Intel 730 and DC S35x0/3610/3700 Series SSDs
    Device Model:     INTEL SSDSC2BB800G4T
    Serial Number:    <removed>
    LU WWN Device Id: 5 5cd2e4 04b6cc3e8
    Add. Product Id:  DELL(tm)
    Firmware Version: D201DL13
    User Capacity:    800,166,076,416 bytes [800 GB]
    Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
    Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
    Form Factor:      2.5 inches
    Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
    ATA Version is:   ACS-2 T13/2015-D revision 3
    SATA Version is:  SATA 2.6, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
    Local Time is:    Wed May  9 21:22:38 2018 UTC
    SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
    SMART support is: Enabled
    
    === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
    SMART Status not supported: Incomplete response, ATA output registers missing
    SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
    Warning: This result is based on an Attribute check.
    
    General SMART Values:
    Offline data collection status:  (0x02)    Offline data collection activity
                        was completed without error.
                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
    Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous self-test routine completed
                        without error or no self-test has ever
                        been run.
    Total time to complete Offline
    data collection:         (    2) seconds.
    Offline data collection
    capabilities:              (0x79) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                        No Auto Offline data collection support.
                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                        command.
                        Offline surface scan supported.
                        Self-test supported.
                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                        Selective Self-test supported.
    SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)    Saves SMART data before entering
                        power-saving mode.
                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
    Error logging capability:        (0x01)    Error logging supported.
                        General Purpose Logging supported.
    Short self-test routine
    recommended polling time:      (   1) minutes.
    Extended self-test routine
    recommended polling time:      (  60) minutes.
    Conveyance self-test routine
    recommended polling time:      (  60) minutes.
    SCT capabilities:            (0x003d)    SCT Status supported.
                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                        SCT Data Table supported.
    
    SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1
    Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
    ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
      1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   130   130   039    Pre-fail  Always       -       189139
      5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
      9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       24811
     12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       38
     13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate    0x0032   130   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       124554240723
    179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
    180 Unused_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       7986
    181 Program_Fail_Cnt_Total  0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    182 Erase_Fail_Count_Total  0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    194 Temperature_Internal    0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       28
    195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
    199 CRC_Error_Count         0x003e   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    201 Unknown_SSD_Attribute   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       639952093821
    226 Workld_Media_Wear_Indic 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       921
    227 Workld_Host_Reads_Perc  0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       86
    228 Workload_Minutes        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       1479929
    233 Media_Wearout_Indicator 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       588866
    245 Unknown_Attribute       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    
    SMART Error Log Version: 1
    No Errors Logged
    
    SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
    Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
    # 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%        21         -
    # 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%        20         -
    
    SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
     SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
        1        0        0  Not_testing
        2        0        0  Not_testing
        3        0        0  Not_testing
        4        0        0  Not_testing
        5        0        0  Not_testing
    Selective self-test flags (0x0):
      After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
    If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
     
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  6. BackupProphet

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    You are running at 3Gbps, some Dell ssd's need a firmware upgrade to work in 6Gbps, unless you are running this on a non sata 3 port.
     
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  7. nle

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    Yes, should have mentioned that. I'm running it on the DVD-ROM SATA connection. So it's SATA2 speeds. I think. I was more worried if there is a known firmware bug, etc.

    I did try to update via Intel firmware update, but as I mentioned that did not work, and I can't seem to find the Dell firmware update.
     
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  8. CJ145

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  9. hlidskialf

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    Pulled the trigger. Cheers!
     
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  10. trumee

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    Thanks. Got it.
     
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  11. kroem

    kroem Active Member

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    As much as the S3500 might be a better fit performance wise, buying new drives with warranty may still be warranted sometimes ... (what a pun!)

    (mostly I'm just sad it's a hassle to order these over the Atlantic...)
     
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  12. trumee

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    One of the two drives has errors in the SMART data. Is this serious and should i return the drive?

    Code:
    # smartctl -a /dev/da15                                                                                                                                                                   
    smartctl 6.6 2017-11-05 r4594 [FreeBSD 11.1-RELEASE-p10 amd64] (local build)                                                                                                                                 
    Copyright (C) 2002-17, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org
    
    === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
    Device Model:     SSDSC2BB480G4I       00AJ331 00AJ334IBM
    LU WWN Device Id: 5 5cd2e4 04b4ad5b4
    Firmware Version: D201NB34
    User Capacity:    480,103,981,056 bytes [480 GB]
    Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
    Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
    Form Factor:      2.5 inches
    Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
    ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
    SATA Version is:  SATA 2.6, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
    Local Time is:    Fri May 18 17:53:59 2018 CDT
    SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
    SMART support is: Enabled
    
    === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
    SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
    
    General SMART Values:
    Offline data collection status:  (0x00) Offline data collection activity
                                            was never started.
                                            Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
    Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                            without error or no self-test has ever
                                            been run.
    Total time to complete Offline
    data collection:                (    0) seconds.
    Offline data collection
    capabilities:                    (0x79) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                            No Auto Offline data collection support.
                                            Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                            command.
                                            Offline surface scan supported.
                                            Self-test supported.
                                            Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                            Selective Self-test supported.
    SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                            power-saving mode.
                                            Supports SMART auto save timer.
    Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                            General Purpose Logging supported.
    Short self-test routine
    recommended polling time:        (   1) minutes.
    Extended self-test routine
    recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
    Conveyance self-test routine
    recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
    SCT capabilities:              (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
                                            SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                            SCT Feature Control supported.
                                            SCT Data Table supported.
    
    SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1
    Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
    ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
      1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   130   130   039    Pre-fail  Always       -       148
      5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   097   097   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
      9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
     12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       7
     13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate    0x001e   130   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       148
    100 Unknown_Attribute       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       2
    170 Unknown_Attribute       0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       5971
    171 Unknown_Attribute       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    172 Unknown_Attribute       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    173 Unknown_Attribute       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
    174 Unknown_Attribute       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       4
    177 Wear_Leveling_Count     0x0032   100   100   ---    Old_age   Always       -       1
    184 End-to-End_Error        0x0033   100   100   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
    187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       56
    190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0026   068   059   029    Old_age   Always       -       32 (Min/Max 23/35)
    192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       4
    194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       21
    195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       471663
    196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
    197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
    198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
    199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       112
    231 Temperature_Celsius     0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
    232 Available_Reservd_Space 0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       128898768
    233 Media_Wearout_Indicator 0x0033   100   100   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
    235 Unknown_Attribute       0x0033   100   100   001    Pre-fail  Always       -       659
    237 Unknown_Attribute       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       4294967955
    241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       256
    242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       640
    
    SMART Error Log Version: 1
    ATA Error Count: 38 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)
            CR = Command Register [HEX]
            FR = Features Register [HEX]
            SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
            SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
            CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
            CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
            DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
            DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
            ER = Error register [HEX]
            ST = Status register [HEX]
    Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
    DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
    SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.
    
    Error 38 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 0 hours (0 days + 0 hours)
      When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.
    
      After command completion occurred, registers were:
      ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
      -- -- -- -- -- -- --
      12 01 00 00 00 00 00
    
      Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
      CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
      -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
      ec 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:11:11.102  IDENTIFY DEVICE
      ec 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:11:11.100  IDENTIFY DEVICE
      ef 02 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:11:10.852  SET FEATURES [Enable write cache]
      ef aa 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:11:10.852  SET FEATURES [Enable read look-ahead]
      ef 03 46 00 00 00 00 00      00:11:10.852  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]
    
    Error 37 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 0 hours (0 days + 0 hours)
      When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.
    
      After command completion occurred, registers were:
      ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
      -- -- -- -- -- -- --
      12 01 00 00 00 00 00
    
      Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
      CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
      -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
      ec 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:09:36.074  IDENTIFY DEVICE
      ef 02 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:09:35.198  SET FEATURES [Enable write cache]
      ef aa 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:09:35.197  SET FEATURES [Enable read look-ahead]
      ef 03 46 00 00 00 00 00      00:09:35.197  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]
      ef 03 0c 00 00 00 00 00      00:09:35.197  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]
    
    Error 36 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 0 hours (0 days + 0 hours)
      When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.
    
      After command completion occurred, registers were:
      ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
      -- -- -- -- -- -- --
      12 01 00 00 00 00 00
    
      Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
      CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
      -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
      ec 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:09:32.319  IDENTIFY DEVICE
      ef 02 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:48.267  SET FEATURES [Enable write cache]
      ef aa 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:48.267  SET FEATURES [Enable read look-ahead]
      ef 03 46 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:48.267  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]
      ef 03 0c 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:48.267  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]
    
    Error 35 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 0 hours (0 days + 0 hours)
      When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.
    
      After command completion occurred, registers were:
      ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
      -- -- -- -- -- -- --
      12 01 00 00 00 00 00
    
      Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
      CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
      -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
      ec 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:41.726  IDENTIFY DEVICE
      ef 02 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:40.529  SET FEATURES [Enable write cache]
      ef aa 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:40.529  SET FEATURES [Enable read look-ahead]
      ef 03 46 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:40.529  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]
      ef 03 0c 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:40.529  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]
    
    Error 34 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 0 hours (0 days + 0 hours)
      When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.
    
      After command completion occurred, registers were:
      ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
      -- -- -- -- -- -- --
      12 01 00 00 00 00 00
    
      Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
      CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
      -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
      ec 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:37.575  IDENTIFY DEVICE
      b0 d0 00 00 4f c2 00 00      00:08:36.582  SMART READ DATA
      ec 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:36.582  IDENTIFY DEVICE
      ef 02 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:36.547  SET FEATURES [Enable write cache]
      ef aa 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:36.547  SET FEATURES [Enable read look-ahead]
    
    SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
    No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]
    
    SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
     SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
        1        0        0  Not_testing
        2        0        0  Not_testing
        3        0        0  Not_testing
        4        0        0  Not_testing
        5        0        0  Not_testing
    Selective self-test flags (0x0):
      After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
    If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
    
      CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
      -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
      ec 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:37.575  IDENTIFY DEVICE
      b0 d0 00 00 4f c2 00 00      00:08:36.582  SMART READ DATA
      ec 00 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:36.582  IDENTIFY DEVICE
      ef 02 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:36.547  SET FEATURES [Enable write cache]
      ef aa 00 00 00 00 00 00      00:08:36.547  SET FEATURES [Enable read look-ahead]
    
    SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
    No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]
    
    SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
     SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
        1        0        0  Not_testing
        2        0        0  Not_testing
        3        0        0  Not_testing
        4        0        0  Not_testing
        5        0        0  Not_testing
    Selective self-test flags (0x0):
      After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
    If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
    
     
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  13. anomaly

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    That's a bit fishy, especially the power on hours (0?). The errors are no good, it seems to be having issues negotiating speed and other commands. Change the cable and port if you can and retest, also with another drive known to be working well...

    Some eBay sales are hit or miss.
     
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  14. CJ145

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  15. levifig

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    There was a seller asking $99/ea for 2 drives. I offered $150 and got them both. IBM-labeled Intel drives, firmware D201NB34, and SMART tells me:

    Drive 1:
    - Total Host Read: 823 GB
    - Total Host Writes: 19,756 GB
    - Gigabytes Erased: 170 GB
    - Power On Count: 14 count
    - Power On Hours: 10 hours

    Drive 2:
    - Total Host Read: 942 GB
    - Total Host Writes: 15,342 GB
    - Gigabytes Erased: 27 GB
    - Power On Count: 15 count
    - Power On Hours: 20 hours


    That's a crazy amount of writes in so little hours, but everything seems great. I'm really guessing those hour counts **must** be wrong, riiiight?!

    Anyway, a freaking bargain! Setting them as ZFS mirror for my VM storage! :)
     
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  16. nle

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    The one I bought had power on hours of ~25000 – seems to work fine.
     
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  17. kiteboarder

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    Like member trumee above, I also got one of the IBM branded drives with firmware "D201NB34".

    Anyone know how to update the firmware on these things? Of course Intel's native tool won't update it because it's IBM branded.

    Thanks for any pointers...
     
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  18. Nik

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    So I got burned by this seller. Sent me 2 SanDisk refurbs instead. Given I'm in Canada he's refusing to even cover my shipping back let alone the import duties. Hope it works out for the rest of you.
     
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  19. nle

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    @Nik What seller? The one in OP?
     
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