ES Xeon Discussion

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AndroidCat

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Hi Guys,

I’d appreciate your help with choosing a v4 E5 Xeon. Motherboard is Supermicro X10 SRM-TF and the server will run ESXi with several VMs.
What would be a safe choice for me given current eBay offering? I want stability and of course best performance for the price < $450.

Given similar prices of the below ~$350, which offer is worth it? I'm confused, especially with the 1st seller as he does not provide CPU version (at least not that I can decode, no HWInfo64)
  • 1st seller
Intel Xeon E5-2680 v4 ES (revision ?)

Intel Xeon E5-2680 v4 ES LGA2011-3 14C Compatible with X99 i7-6850K 6900K 6950X | eBay

Intel Xeon E5-2683 v4 ES QHZE (revision ?)

Intel Xeon E5-2683 v4 ES QHZE LGA2011-3 16C Compatible with X99 i7-6900K 6950X | eBay

Intel Xeon E5-2660 v4 ES 2GHz(2.5GHz) (revision B0)

Intel Xeon E5-2660 v4 ES 2GHz(2.5GHz)LGA2011-3 14C Compatible X99 i7-6900K 6950X | eBay

Intel Xeon E5-2650 v4 ES 2.2GHz (revision B0)

Intel Xeon E5-2650 v4 ES 2.2GHz LGA2011-3 12C Compatible with X99 i7-6850K 6900K

  • 2nd seller
2650 QHV6

2683 QH27 (ES0)

  • 3rd seller
2680 QHV7 remarked as QHVB (ES2)

Any better/safer bets? Thanks a lot!
 

tssrshot

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Jumping onboard to the ES game, I bought into the:

MBD-X10DAL-I-O

I can't seem to find an answer to a wild and silly idea. I bought 32GB of ECC from the tested Memory listing for this model. However, I am not planning to install 2 CPUs to start. I know I lose out on one of the PCI slots which is fine. However, I am assuming I can only use the memory in the slots associated with CPU I am populating. Right?

What about when I
populate the other processor, am I locked into the same ECC 2133 I paired with the other processor or can one have LRDIMMs, etc.?

Sounds silly, but the super micro manual isn't easy English as it is!

Bryan
 

virtualmadden

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I'm looking into a E5-2630L V4 ES or a E5-2650 V4 ES and wanted to know if anyone has had any experience with the EVGA X99 Micro 2? I'm also considering a Asrock X99 M Extreme 4. Will both of these boards work fine with standard UDIMM desktop ram at 2133?
 

glennsamuel32

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Been in contact with a few **reputable** sellers on Ebay...
Couple of them were posted on this thread...
My conclusion --- you'd need to have "balls of brass" to buy cpu's from there...or know someone personally...
My guess is some of the sellers even post over here !!!

Asked if the contacts and PCB have chips, scratches, dents --- answer : We will thoroughly test before we ship them out...
Apart from that, most screenshots they provide are the same ones being circulated among themselves...
When I asked about pics of the cleanest cpu's they have, none replied...
One even asked me for my Paypal account info !!!

Shipping address listed on the sale page is China or Japan...but the seller is in UK ???

All of them offer some limited warranty but shipping is your expense...
Add the shipping cost and the downtime and the unpredictability of it all makes this option questionable at best...

Just googling for the "cpu name" and "not booting" will give you a list of buyers seeking help...

Of course, 22 cores for $1,000 and 12 cores for $300+ is a steal...
Just like the saying goes...if it's too good to be true, it probably is...
 

Rand__

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Anything or anyone in particular you are referring to?
There are many ppl here having bought and running ES CPUs from many of these sellers without issues.
Thats why there are "more and less "reputable" ones - some are more reliable and some others are not...
And o/c its a gamble (albeit with a high success rate), but o/c it might not work as expected.
 

glennsamuel32

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Anything or anyone in particular you are referring to?
Just my 2 cents of buying cpu's on Ebay...
As you can tell, this is the first time I tried...

Guess I'll take the safe path instead...
A boxed E5-2630 V4 sells on Newegg for $676...
 

nalf3in

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Hi guys, I just stumbled on a xeon es QFZR (basically an es version of the lga1150 1275L) and I would like to know if you think there's a good chance that the multiplier is unlocked.

Thanks for any information !
 
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Jointer

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I have V4 ES2 and it is rock stable, so do not know how that can be better.
I was thinking differently - o went for V4, because there is probably no major changes over V3, it is just a next iteration.
So i was thinking, even if for example V3 ES2 had some issue, it will be already fixed in V4 ES1, because it is made later.
Not sure if i am right, but since Intel architecture is not evolving much over the last 6-8 years, the possibility of some major bug present in ES is low (that is what i think, it is just my opinion and maybe others will disagree).
 

nasomi

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Ended up getting a retail box E5 2660v2 for $240 vs the QS for $160. I did go with a questionable motherboard for $160, which claims to support both ECC/REGECC ram as well as SLI. HOpefully that will work.

What is TSX? Is that good?
 

Jointer

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Yes CPU-Z Stepping of 4 for E5 V2 is QS or production. QS is also the most stable and practically identical to a production processor.



V3 ES2 had TSX enabled as Intel only discovered in-time for QS samples to correct it. That's why usually you can see E5 V3 ES with TSX. That's one example of a major errata that was caught too late. Another good example was with SB-E launch in 2011 requiring a C2 for VT-d versus C1 which didn't work.
I was aware of this V3 issue, but it would not be a problem for my use.
SB-E problem, i do not remember that clear enough.
Do you know about any bug in V4 ES?
 

Jointer

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Yeah, now i remember.
SB-E, that is Xeon V1, right?
It seems to be hard to find details about Intel errata, so i will trust you that the V4 ES should be fine for regular use. :)
Works pretty good for me, in some ways better then previous system with retail 4770K.
 

glennsamuel32

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Well that depends. a QK3G with identical production stepping is at least $300-400 cheaper while having identical functionality, turbo speeds, stepping etc... So for an ES2 with production stepping is it really a better option to spend $300-400 more on almost the identical product (microcode string is different in CPU-Z and identification).
Of course !!!
Now all we need is a reputable seller to sell us a **guaranteed to work** E5-2630 QK3G...
 

Marsh

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Looks like a v1 CPU.
C2 is retail.
How much is the CPU?
How much $$ saving compare to C2 step?
 

Klee

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Looks like a v1 CPU.
C2 is retail.
How much is the CPU?
How much $$ saving compare to C2 step?
V1 is $79.99 each

The V2 is $148.00 each

I can sell my 2670's and that would be a wash price-wise on the first one with less performance but higher percentage of threads utilized but If I get the second ones I really would not be a huge investment for a decent upgrade with more threads that can be used and a much higher clock-speed.

Thinking about making a dedicated monero miner and the 2667's seem to be a sweet spot as for as L3 cache size to number of cores and speed.

I was going to sell my dual 2011 motherboard, CPU's and ram but now I'm thinking of just replacing the cpu's and running minimum amount of ram and add some gpu's.


But i'm still trying to decide to upgrade or sell everything while the prices are still decent for 2011 stuff then use the proceeds towards getting another dual 2011-3 board with some cheap V4 ES cpu's.

I have a tendency to over analyze every thing....:(
 
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