seach ebay, Intel Xeon Silver 5411N QS
intel Xeon Gold 6428N QS 399€ (ebay germany)
or platinum 8470 EV-QS for 299€ (ebay germany)
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intel Xeon Gold 6428N QS 399€ (ebay germany)
or platinum 8470 EV-QS for 299€ (ebay germany)
thanks.. i should not buy anything but i can't help it.. thanks for the tips, i will follow this thread better..
i'm assuming you are buying all these from china.. because there is no alternative
sure but not ebay, at goofish or taobao you pay half the price.
if you looking for more cores and you are located in EU there is curr. a listing for platinum 8470 EV-QS 52 core 299€
with the c741 mobo, still 1000 EUR.. I will wait until some 'super-hot' combo for like 500EUR emerges 
I thought i got a good deal on my E5-2680v4's for 112 EUR a piece, now they are 10 EUR
I paid 250 EUR for 2x32GB DDR 2133 ECC rdimm's, now they are 14 EUR a piece
I must wait.
I thought i got a good deal on my E5-2680v4's for 112 EUR a piece, now they are 10 EUR
I paid 250 EUR for 2x32GB DDR 2133 ECC rdimm's, now they are 14 EUR a piece
I must wait.
you then missed the Tyan 4677 board from ebay us $300 (sold out now)with the c741 mobo, still 1000 EUR.. I will wait until some 'super-hot' combo for like 500EUR emerges
got my MS33-CPA (OEM) for 400€ and SPC741D8UD for less...
keep your eyes open.
Big thanks to @RolloZ170 for providing the modded BIOS and helpful Windows tweaking tips! My Q2SR build is almost complete thanks to your help.
Regarding the MS03-CEO motherboard, it's very good, but has a few downsides:
No built-in WiFi. (You'll need an add-in card).
No USB Type-C ports.
Onboard M.2 slot limited to PCIe Gen 3 (not Gen 4).
And this motherboard's BIOS lacks an S3 (Suspend-to-RAM) sleep option entirely. (And Linux dmesg shows: "[ 2.537665] ACPI: PM: (supports S0 S4 S5)", no S3)
As a result, the system defaults to S0ix Modern Standby.
While this puts the CPU cores into C6 state (good), the fans keep running during standby (disruptive for standby)
Although this motherboard supports S4 Hibernate, I haven't been able to get it working successfully. Attempts result in errors during the suspend process, with dmesg showing (my cpu's Hyper-threading is disable):
"...
[30227.798757] smpboot: CPU 4 is now offline
[30227.801672] smpboot: CPU 3 is now offline
[30227.804806] smpboot: CPU 2 is now offline
[30227.806439] CPU 1 has 149 vectors, 51 available. Cannot disable CPU
[30227.807603] Error taking CPU1 down: -28
[30227.807606] Non-boot CPUs are not disabled
..."
Overall, I think this is a very good motherboard.
Hope this helps!
almost NO server motherboard supports S3, you need a workstation board then and other CPUs.
e.g. ASUS W790 (Ace/SAGE) or ASRock WS W790, but the ASRock supports S3 only with 1DPC, not with 8 RDIMMs.
in S3 the sensors vanish, the BMCs can not handle this, ASUS W790 SAGE runs a special BMC Firmware.
in S3 the RAM must stay powered and the self-refresh must be started by who ? normaly the SPDs are connected to the chipset, but not on boards with BMC. BIOS must re-init PCIe devices after S3 resume, EFI drivers needed(up to date) and the mem. should not be init/erased...
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Yes it helps, thank you.
In the meantime I ordered the W790 Asus + QYFS + fast server memory, even though it is a "bad" (not really) deal at this point. RolloZ170 and a bit of investigation assured me that sleep is not going to work with EMR. I will think about another upgrade if Intel releases a workstation line in GRS (is this the usual abbreviation for Granite Rapids?), along with a new chipset for workstations...
Anyway, if you're running the machine all the time (like a server), or fine with the long boot, then EMR with Gigabyte is a superb solution! I'm happy you like it
GNR
it is long at cold boot after AC loss, warm not that long. my ASRock Rack SPC741 takes much much much longer....
btw: EMR A0 work with ASRock Rack C741 boards too with the same BIOS tweak.
this is Q30H 56 core, supports 5600Mt RAM like Q2SR & Q2Y7
My Q2SR build boots fairly quickly:Anyway, if you're running the machine all the time (like a server), or fine with the long boot, then EMR with Gigabyte is a superb solution! I'm happy you like it
- BIOS logo (Gigabyte) appears at ~30 seconds
- Windows loading animation starts at ~1 minute
- Desktop is ready by ~1m 40s.
Hi. I'm new to the board and I've been researching a few weeks to build a new system. This seems like just the right people to talk to. If there's somewhere else I should look, please feel free to point me in the right direction.
I have an old dual Xeon E5-2699 V3 system that I built using either QS or ES CPUs. It's been too long, I don't remember which. I am planning to something similar, but in doing research, I've discovered that there are likely a lot of compatibility issues with newer mobos and ES CPU's after reading through this VERY long thread. I've tried to do my own research, but now I'd just like to see if there are some simple answers from the experts.
I want a dual CPU machine for CPU AI inference and is at least PCIe 4.0. I was planning on using a Supermicro X12D or X13D, but I'm open to other suggestions. It looks like Gigabyte MD72 and MD73 may offer more flexibility in ES CPU offerings. I'd like advice on a dual proc board and a couple of ES CPUs with something like 48+ cores that are compatible with that board with minimal tweaking/hacking. Maybe that's a pipe dream, but I think you guys will know. I'd consider EPYC options as well though I know it isn't in the scope of this thread.
I see listing like this Gigabyte MS73-HB1 Motherboard＋2x Intel Xeon Platinum 8480 ES CPU LGA 4677 | eBay and if I can just buy an MS73 board and drop in any old ES CPU, I can do it for a fair amount cheaper, but I don't think it is that easy. Am I wrong?
I have an old dual Xeon E5-2699 V3 system that I built using either QS or ES CPUs. It's been too long, I don't remember which. I am planning to something similar, but in doing research, I've discovered that there are likely a lot of compatibility issues with newer mobos and ES CPU's after reading through this VERY long thread. I've tried to do my own research, but now I'd just like to see if there are some simple answers from the experts.
I want a dual CPU machine for CPU AI inference and is at least PCIe 4.0. I was planning on using a Supermicro X12D or X13D, but I'm open to other suggestions. It looks like Gigabyte MD72 and MD73 may offer more flexibility in ES CPU offerings. I'd like advice on a dual proc board and a couple of ES CPUs with something like 48+ cores that are compatible with that board with minimal tweaking/hacking. Maybe that's a pipe dream, but I think you guys will know. I'd consider EPYC options as well though I know it isn't in the scope of this thread.
I see listing like this Gigabyte MS73-HB1 Motherboard＋2x Intel Xeon Platinum 8480 ES CPU LGA 4677 | eBay and if I can just buy an MS73 board and drop in any old ES CPU, I can do it for a fair amount cheaper, but I don't think it is that easy. Am I wrong?
it is that easy (with gigabyte c741 mobos)
not any, ask before buying.
there are single socket only models who don't work in pairs(retail not, ES not)
e.g. QYFU
there are no EPYC ES compared to Xeon 3rd/4th/5th Gen ES. only prod.units or QS(called so but not same)
you can receive a Vendor locked EPYC ( once ran on Dell/Lenovo, ever runs in Dell/Lenovo but nowhere else )
gigabyte MS03/MS33/MS73 run's a stepping D0 (E5 is final) with latest BIOS,
so NO, not same flexibility.
on EPYC platform AMD's AGESA is 100% involved and must be used by gigabyte, if AMD don't want, it don't work.