ES Xeon Discussion

[RolloZ170]

Would GIGABYTE MW83-RP0 work with QYFS? And/or Q0KL (E0) Stepping?

MW83-RP0 BIOS missing microcode for D0, maybe can be added.
stepping E0 no way.

on the official specs they only say W-3400 cpu, there is no diagram for "W-2400" or other scalables.

chipset W790 is only for W-3400/W-2400

So that would mean no, but, since Gigabyte boards in general seem to have good support for ES i still have some hope

SPR-WS stepping E0 is supported, but Q0KL is SPR-SP(not xeon W)

 

[sam55todd]

Has anyone tried if ASUS Z13PE-D16 support SPR D0 stepping? (and probably EMR ES/QS stepping flavours)

 

[RolloZ170]

Has anyone tried if ASUS Z13PE-D16 support SPR D0 stepping? (and probably EMR ES/QS stepping flavours)

ASUS Z13PE-D16 don't support stepping D0 cpuid 806F3
but EMR ES stepping A0 cpuid C06F1 ( means not: supported in any case, Tyan & supermicro report no support for EMR A0 )
EMR QS A1 cpuid C06F2 is same than prod.unit but ES bit set.

 

[MillionMiles]

Q0KS with X13SEI-F, everything fine but idle power up to 150w? (default BIOS settings, windows high performance power)

 

[RolloZ170]

Q0KS with X13SEI-F, everything fine but idle power up to 150w? (default BIOS settings, windows high performance power)

View attachment 34505

LOL, thats not idle.
usual with "windows high performance power"
this keeps the cores at baseclock, mesh/cache/uncore in high clock state, no energy savings.
"windows high performance power" is not required.
then wait for all cores down to 800mhz and check again.

 

[MillionMiles]

windows saving mode, power about 80W, system becomes very very slow(same on prod unit)

 

[RolloZ170]

windows saving mode, power about 80W, system becomes very very slow(same on prod unit)
View attachment 34506

and try this
"out of bands" mode instead of "native" for the "hardware p-states" setting in the BIOS
( if your FAN control is by Core temp the EMIBs can overheating, do only with Water.)
source:

P-State / Power Plan causes massive lagg on Windows (Sapphire Rapids)

Hi there, I just upgraded my system from a X299 platform to W790 and a Intel Xeon w5-3435X core and immediately noticed a massive UI lagg/stuttering when moving windows or trying to select something in the Windows explorer. This only happens when the CPU is idling and the frequency got lowered. A...

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[MillionMiles]

and try this
"out of bands" mode instead of "native" for the "hardware p-states" setting in the BIOS

Solved the issue of system response slow, but the power returned to 150w

Got a BSOD (memory management) when opening hwinfo, this classic issue hasn't been fixed yet

 

[RolloZ170]

Got a BSOD (memory management) when opening hwinfo, this classic issue hasn't been fixed yet

its HWinfo issue not only on sapphire rapids.
settings: safety, check: "safe scan of potentialy problematic PCI devies"

 

[RolloZ170]

Solved the issue of system response slow, but the power returned to 150w

try package c-state C0/C1 or C2.
hardware p-states back to old value.

 

[MillionMiles]

try package c-state C0/C1 or C2.
hardware p-states back to old value.

have tried it and there has been no change
Mesh frequency is crucial
Emib has made the legacy c-state issues on icx more prominent

 

[RolloZ170]

have tried it and there has been no change
Mesh frequency is crucial
Emib has made the legacy c-state issues on icx more prominent

if you have prod.unit you can ask supermicro and intel for help.
and windows like to threadhopping doesn't help with this, every new core must be waked up and...crap.
btw: intel lower the EMIB count from 10 to 3 on EMR.

 

[DHamov]

Solved the issue of system response slow, but the power returned to 150w

I also noticed such high idle power or lag issues with QYFS on Asus W790 ACE on windows depending on the profile MB. Since I mainly work under linux it was not very urgent, but i was planning to look in to this new windows 11 pro for Workstations version. There are keys for about 20 Euro online available. And maybe they fix some of the setting that are not favorable for these cpu's. Another idea which came to late to try for me is to use quick cpu software. I use it for my laptop. But i wanted to try it on the workstation there its possible to change settings about core parking, and many other settings not easily accessible from windows itself. I returned my MB so cant try anything now.

 

[MillionMiles]

try for me is to use quick cpu software

I downloaded it and trying, but I'm not sure how to use it yet
I guess windows software cannot solve this issue, and Intel has not fixed it from D0 to E0,but I saw lower idle power in E3 8461V

i was planning to look in to this new windows 11 for Workstations version

Tested,no improved in official Windows 11

high idle power or lag issues

150w is not unacceptable, E0 is good,CPU is use for running not sleeping

 

[RolloZ170]

and Intel has not fixed it from D0 to E0,but I saw lower idle power in E3 8461V

E3 8461V is same with high.perf.profile.

even Xeon W9-3495x testers reported same "idle" power.
i have 3408U QS, 30 Watts ilde, mouseclick reaction is not same than usual but you get used to it.

 

[MillionMiles]

mouseclick reaction is not same than usual but you get used to it.

XCC have bigger lagging than MCC and IceLake Xeon

 

[DHamov]

150w is not unacceptable, E0 is good,CPU is use for running not sleeping

I agree, but i think that principle it should be possible for the OS to manage this better. Keep 1-2 cpu's in fast state, and set the affinity of main GUI related processes, to those cpu. For 8 p-cores on lga 1700 it does not pay but for 40+ it does pay of. Manually its a headage, but they can do it.

Does the Supermicro bios allow setting temporary power limits, upward from TDP?
In HWInfo the cpu section if it does not crash are all AVX512 functionalities enabled?
And probably useless in practice but just out of curiosity, is memory overclocking of the cpu enabled according to HWInfo or not? Even if it were the case now there would not be any supporting mainboards, but maybe
RolloZ170 or some one else will hack a bios to get it working .

 

[MillionMiles]

Does the Supermicro bios allow setting temporary power limits, upward from TDP

No way, And CPU power less than 300w(TDP) in AVX2

are all AVX512 functionalities enabled?

is memory overclocking of the cpu enabled

IA and MESH are locked, I'm not sure if the imc can overclocking,but looks good

@RolloZ170 or some one else will hack a bios to get it working

I can set 5600MHZ in BIOS, but it doesn't take effect
Because of the ROT, this is almost impossible on the SuperMicro board

 

[sam55todd]

IMV this "idle power" priority doesn't seem to be consistent with a very nature of high-core Server grade Xeon CPU concept on a first place.
For low idle states there are desktop cpus and "efficiency" cores.

 

[RolloZ170]

XCC have bigger lagging than MCC and IceLake Xeon

8461v QS is not much different in lagging ( if i can call it so ) i mean it is a fraction of a second,