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VMman

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from the specs. it is a OEM(not sold to end customers by intel) QS CPU.
the prod.unit: E5-2676V4 16C 32HT base 2.4Ghz turbo 3.0Ghz 145W
Do you think these will work with Supermicro mainboards? Do the same rules usually apply with OEM as ES in terms of BIOS support?
 

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Do you think these will work with Supermicro mainboards?
sure they work.
OEM have just some other specs for special requirements, mostly more AVX512 clock.
take note to the max. TDP support of the board.

Do the same rules usually apply with OEM as ES in terms of BIOS support?
no. the OEM wants special CPU and gets a QS first for free. OEM QS share standard microcode and stepping.
 

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sure they work.
OEM have just some other specs for special requirements, mostly more AVX512 clock.
take note to the max. TDP support of the board.


no. the OEM wants special CPU and gets a QS first for free. OEM QS share standard microcode and stepping.
Thank you, I may get a few to test then.
 

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thanks, I found this post on Reddit with the same issue, not booting up in dual CPU.
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/njaded
E5-1620 v4 is a UniProcessor CPU
E5-2620 V4 ia DualProcessor CPU
E5-4620 V4 is a QuadProcessor CPU.
in my eyes: if they are DP processors, why call them 1100 ? crazy !
if you see the AWS-1100 V4 in CPU-Z and the ES mark, the processor is a QS !!! (all QS have intel confidential on the HS and the QDF with base clock)
 
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I found this post on Reddit with the same issue, not booting up in dual CPU
one cpu only is working. he could check the 2S support with HWinfo.
update:
the AWS-1100v4 ES is working in pairs on a X10DAi
AWS-1100v4 HWinfo sum.jpgPIC

AWS-1100v4 CBR15 DP.jpgPIC
 
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Dimon3D

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Hello friends!

I bought 2x Xeon Platinum 8222L QS version (A0) and motherboard supermicro X11DPH-T, BIOS version was installed 3.4 which does not start these processors. I update to the latest version 3.4a - no effect.
I read the entire forum thread, here we discussed similar processors, many talk about the BIOS mod, but someone does not allow the BIOS to be downloaded.

Can anyone give a patched BIOS to support this processor?

thnx.
 

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Hello friends!

I bought 2x Xeon Platinum 8222L QS version (A0) and motherboard supermicro X11DPH-T, BIOS version was installed 3.4 which does not start these processors. I update to the latest version 3.4a - no effect.
I read the entire forum thread, here we discussed similar processors, many talk about the BIOS mod, but someone does not allow the BIOS to be downloaded.

Can anyone give a patched BIOS to support this processor?

thnx.
Supermicro 3.x bioses are signed and cannot be modified. Can you try a 2.x version BIOS? If that does not work, I can try and add the microcode to add support for you
 
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Can anyone give a patched BIOS to support this processor?
the BIOS 3.4 still includes the A0 microcode.
X11DPH0.B03.jpg3.4
i have heared from other user about problems getting 8222(C)L to run.
these processors have 200W TDP but that seems not the complete story. some chineese seller talking about a broken TDP value.
Also some supermicro boards need a VRM upgrade(just VRM controller table update) by supermicro to support max. TDP Gen2 CPU.
 
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Dimon3D

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Supermicro 3.x bioses are signed and cannot be modified. Can you try a 2.x version BIOS? If that does not work, I can try and add the microcode to add support for you
should I take a standard BIOS version 2.x (not patched) and flash it the same way as I previously flashed for version 3.4a?

or should i add my processor microcode first?
I unfortunately have little experience to add microcode to BIOS ...
 

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Apparently some ebay buyer managed to get one of the blank x299 CPUs to work, but the information surrounding it is quite lacking.

Not sure if I'm allowed to link the seller, but if you search the above title in sold items you can probably find the review. Couldn't find anything beyond this yet though.
Getting one soon as well as a QLRX i9 7900x. In my past experiences these CPUS will only function on MSI motherboards and select few high end gigabyte motherboards that were launched upon the socket's release.
By reversing the bios to the first version (2017) on those X299 motherboards, the cpu will likely function.
Derived from others pictures of the cpu after the mess that the guy called "delidding", I can confirm it isn't a mechanical sample. Could be pre-pre production and wasn't ever meant to leave the OEM.
 

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the BIOS 3.4 still includes the A0 microcode.
View attachment 193733.4
i have heared from other user about problems getting 8222(C)L to run.
these processors have 200W TDP but that seems not the complete story. some chineese seller talking about a broken TDP value.
Also some supermicro boards need a VRM upgrade(just VRM controller table update) by supermicro to support max. TDP Gen2 CPU.
Yes you are right. I found at Sepermikro MB X11SRL-F where it says:
- To support 165W W-2200 CPUs, BIOS 2.0 & VRM update by Supermicro are required

And how to make 200TDP for my processor, I can't find information anywhere. If someone can help I will be grateful!
thanx.
 

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And how to make 200TDP for my processor, I can't find information anywhere. If someone can help I will be grateful!
thanx.
since you are not alone with that 8222(C)L problem i have asked some chineese sellers.
the X11DPH-T supports 205W 1st Gen, but not all 200/205W 2nd Gen processors.
the reason is one of the maximum TDP setting. this is declared much too high as it draws in real, but the motherboard can not know and don't start.
you can buy X11DPi / X11DPH / X11DAi boards at taobao with VRM already upgraded to support 270W, without supermicro warranty but the seller gives you. we can not do anything because we don't know what tools they use and which data they put into the eeprom of the VRM.
in theory we can modify the Intel Management Engine, but that's much more fare away from our knowlege.
sorry for the bad news.
 

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since you are not alone with that 8222(C)L problem i have asked some chineese sellers.
the X11DPH-T supports 205W 1st Gen, but not all 200/205W 2nd Gen processors.
the reason is one of the maximum TDP setting. this is declared much too high as it draws in real, but the motherboard can not know and don't start.
you can buy X11DPi / X11DPH / X11DAi boards at taobao with VRM already upgraded to support 270W, without supermicro warranty but the seller gives you. we can not do anything because we don't know what tools they use and which data they put into the eeprom of the VRM.
in theory we can modify the Intel Management Engine, but that's much more fare away from our knowlege.
sorry for the bad news.
When I received the processors, they did not work, the seller said that send the MB to him.
I asked a Chinese processor seller, what does he do with MB? he replied, that he was cleaning the bios))
I also asked to send me the firmware, but he pretends that he does not understand me)))

He sells a regular MB X11DPi for $ 700 and a custom version for $ 1,000. I think $ 300 for the firmware is a lot.
But nothing to do will have to buy.
And if I buy a custom MB, can I read the BIOS to upload it here? or is it not enough?
 
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And if I buy a custom MB, can I read the BIOS to upload it here? or is it not enough?
the BIOS of the X11DPi blocks 240W TDP CPU in example.
the 8222(C)L is a 200W CPU and is not blocked by BIOS because the BIOS/UEFI is not running at all.
the VRM is not ready for the max. TDP (mis)configuration of the 8222(C)L and many OEM processors.
 

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He sells a regular MB X11DPi for $ 700 and a custom version for $ 1,000.
i have seen prices: regular ¥ 3600 and custom ¥ 4800 at taobao.
the X11DAi is cheaper. would never buy a X11DPi for higher TDP CPU because the CPU1 VRM stays without heatsink.