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rrubberr

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Good afternoon,

I recently purchased a SuperMicro X11DAi-N motherboard and have been planning to populate the sockets with Xeon QL1F (slower 8176) processors. From what I understand these should work with the version 2.1 BIOS for SuperMicro X11 boards.

For RAM I will be using 6 Skhynix 16GB single rank DDR4 2666 DIMMS per processor (supported memory according to SuperMicro: HMA82GR7AFR4N-VK).

Does anyone have a similar configuration to this?

I went through the thread and found another user with the board who successfully ran the "5218 ES (QQ8M) CPU" in this board with BIOS revision 3.0a, as well as multiple users running QL1F processors. Further, it seems one user has had success with DIMMS larger than 16GB (he mentioned 64GB LRDIMMS). I also found the thread "Help me run the Platinum 8180 Processor ES" in which the user had the same X11DAI-N board, however it was inconclusive as to whether or not he got them running.

Thanks for any help :)
 

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I went through the thread and found another user with the board who successfully ran the "5218 ES (QQ8M) CPU" in this board with BIOS revision 3.0a, as well as multiple users running QL1F processors.
there is a big difference between QL1F and QQ8M
QL1F = skylake ES cpuid 50652 (bios 2.x or modded bios required)
QQ8M = cascade lake ES cpuid 50655 (bios 3.x required)
 

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I recently purchased a SuperMicro X11DAi-N motherboard and have been planning to populate the sockets with Xeon QL1F (slower 8176) processors. From what I understand these should work with the version 2.1 BIOS for SuperMicro X11 boards.
the X11DAi-N and X11DPi-N(T) does NOT support skylake ES processors like the QL1F.
there is a modded bios for the X11DPi-N(T) board, maybe the same can be done for the X11DAi-N
 

rrubberr

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the X11DAi-N and X11DPi-N(T) does NOT support skylake ES processors like the QL1F.
there is a modded bios for the X11DPi-N(T) board, maybe the same can be done for the X11DAi-N
Adding support is a question of adding the microcode/stepping support for the ES processors to the BIOS, correct?

This process seems to be documented somewhat in the thread "Supermicro x11spi-tf-o with Intel QL1K - Which BIOS."
 
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Adding support is a question of adding the microcode/stepping support for the ES processors to the BIOS, correct?
No. the processor initialisation code is different because these boards are something special.
the bios 2.x includes the correct microcodes but don't work on x11dpi/x11dai
 

rrubberr

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No. the processor initialisation code is different because these boards are something special.
the bios 2.x includes the correct microcodes but don't work on x11dpi/x11dai
So sorry, I'm the idiot here o_O The board I have is a "SuperMicro X11DPi-N," I had typed the wrong part number into my spreadsheet (oops!).

there is a modded bios for the X11DPi-N(T)
Could you point me in the direction of this BIOS, or will I be able to use the MMTool to create this BIOS myself?
 

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hello friends i have a 'qn37 2.00GHZ' xeon processor. I think it is most similar to a xeon gold 6138, but i have no mobo to bring it up to check. from this thread i should get a supermicro x11 board and use BIOS 2.x, is that right?
 

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hello friends i have a 'qn37 2.00GHZ' xeon processor. I think it is most similar to a xeon gold 6138, but i have no mobo to bring it up to check. from this thread i should get a supermicro x11 board and use BIOS 2.x, is that right?
the qn37(xeon gold 6138T) has the same cpuid( 50654h) than the skylake production unit. it should work with ANY bios.
 

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Hi



I hope you can help.



Can anyone with more knowledge than me confirm if an Intel QQ8B A0 Stepping (Xeon Gold 6244 ES) CPUID - 050655h

Work in a Supermicro X11DPI-N Motherboard?



Thanks.



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Can anyone with more knowledge than me confirm if an Intel QQ8B A0 Stepping (Xeon Gold 6244 ES) CPUID - 050655h
Work in a Supermicro X11DPI-N Motherboard?
yes it works, needs bios 3.x and up because it is a cascade lake
the cpuid 50655 is used by the first production unit steppings of cascade lake scalable processors too.
 
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yes it works, needs bios 3.x and up because it is a cascade lake
the cpuid 50655 is used by the first production unit steppings of cascade lake scalable processors too.
Hi


Thanks so much, thats a great help.


Chapeau bas!



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Long time reader, first time poster here. I want to start with a big thanks to the community and the wisdom you've shared about ES chips. It helped me better understand my options and build a new system for half the cost I was expecting for the same performance. I do have one quick question though on two QL1K's I am running on an Asus Sage C621E:

I can't seem to get the multiplier on my 2 QL1K's to go above 22 (on the 10-32x scale). Am I missing something? I've tried multiple combinations of C-state adjustments, turbo disable/enable, etc and can't move past the 22x mark. I don't want to start messing with BLCK since I know that is playing with fire. Any suggestions?
 

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I do have one quick question though on two QL1K's I am running on an Asus Sage C621E:
I can't seem to get the multiplier on my 2 QL1K's to go above 22 (on the 10-32x scale).
Any suggestions?
can you provide some screenshots from HWinfo summary with/without load ?
x22 is the all core turbo frequency of the QL1K's. so if you have a multithreaded load the x22 is the normal result.
 

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can you provide some screenshots from HWinfo summary with/without load ?
x22 is the all core turbo frequency of the QL1K's. so if you have a multithreaded load the x22 is the normal result.
Good news, I was able to get multiple cores unlocked to the full 2.8-3.2ghz with a few tweaks to the CPU C/P states and was able to preserve most of the energy savings/idling to ensure that I wasn't running hot all the time. Thankfully none of it required playing with the BLCK settings. Screenshot attached.
 

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Good news, I was able to get multiple cores unlocked to the full 2.8-3.2ghz with a few tweaks to the CPU C/P states and was able to preserve most of the energy savings/idling to ensure that I wasn't running hot all the time. Thankfully none of it required playing with the BLCK settings. Screenshot attached.
in windows, what energy plan have you enabled ? in the ASUS BIOS: there may be a TDP maximum set not high enough(just a few thoughts)
Or that is because of the modded bios, i have no experience with Sage & Modded Bios to run SKL ES2.
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look into the devicemanager: chipset/processor all drivers installed ? (intel inf)
 
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Good news, I was able to get multiple cores unlocked to the full 2.8-3.2ghz with a few tweaks to the CPU C/P states and was able to preserve most of the energy savings/idling to ensure that I wasn't running hot all the time. Thankfully none of it required playing with the BLCK settings. Screenshot attached.
Also be aware that with the Asus Sage C621E, if on the "Performance Tuning" tab, you have "Core Optimizer" set to "enabled", it locks the CPUs to their "all-core turbo" frequency.
 
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Hi fellas. I was wondering if there is some table around with a compatibility table for ES processors. E.g. motherboard 1 --> supports ESs with bios X, motherboard 2 ---> supports ESs with any bios, etc etc...

Otherwise one risks asking here a question that has been answered on this same thread some fifty pages back... Moreover, sometimes you just find an interesting ES processor on ebay, and just want to know which mobo actually supports it.

Thanks!
 

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Moreover, sometimes you just find an interesting ES processor on ebay, and just want to know which mobo actually supports it.
the Seller of the ES processer should know the compatibility, most sellers know that and provide modded bios if needed.
if not ask a question that has been answered on this thread before, there are worse things than that.
 

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the Seller of the ES processer should know the compatibility, most sellers know that and provide modded bios if needed.
if not ask a question that has been answered on this thread before, there are worse things than that.
Thanks. I think you all know better than some vendors.

Xeon Gold QL1M. I was wondering if it could work with the X11SPA, but any workstation oriented lga3647 would do.

Thanks!