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hmartin

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If you do get the items for free, is it worth the risk to not pay for VAT?
AFAIK, you don't pay VAT on vibes, you pay it on what you paid. If that happens to be $0.00 because the seller refunded you, lucky day. If customs has an issue with it, show them your bank statement.

My money is on the parcels being recalled
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Not a lawyer but I believe you pay VAT on the value of the items. If it was a free gift, you still would need to put what they are worth.
 
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Method 1 — Transaction value
Definition of transaction value

The price actually paid or payable is the total payment made or to be made by the buyer to or for the benefit of the seller for the imported goods, and includes all payments made as a condition of sale of the imported goods by the buyer to the seller, or by the buyer to a third party to satisfy an obligation of the seller.

In the case of a refund, the price paid is $0.00

Customs can argue about the market value of the goods, but the worst case is that you would pay VAT on the original amount.
 

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To be honest I'm also starting to think whether to downgrade future systems to a single SATA / NVMe Drive (with Backup Server turned on 24/7 and backing up every few Minutes) instead of a ZFS Mirror Setup :rolleyes: .

Knock on Wood, I don't recall having had ZFS Failures, aside from some Crucial M500 / MX100 / maybe MX200 SSDs (those were "early Days"). Never managed to get those fixed with their weird Power Cycling / Power Reset Procedure in BIOS (basically only plug in Power Connector without connecting the SATA Data Connector). But apart from that, knock on Wood once more, nothing.
 

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Not a lawyer but I believe you pay VAT on the value of the items. If it was a free gift, you still would need to put what they are worth.
That’s also what I’ve read. Here in Sweden I believe there’s a limit to a VAT and duty free ”gift” of around €50 in value. Above that you need to pay. But since it’s not from a private sender I don’t know how that is applied.

EDIT: The money was just put back on my card from the refund. And according to FedEx is the package out for delivery now.

This is good entertainment value as well.. :p Feels like anything can happen..
 
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luckylinux

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if your data fits
Uh ? Single VDEV has the same available Disk Space as a Mirror ...

But a mirror isn't a backup. A backup isn't just for when the disk fails, also when you fat fingered (or got ransomwared!)
I'm not claiming it does.

I agree I should have a Backup.

But until I keep having one Issue after the other, Salt/Saltstack keeps having Bugs (last workaround I had to do was Debian Permissions after each Update), I don't have a proper way to setup automated Secrets Management (latest Trend seems to be git with encrypted secrets using e.g. Mozilla sops + Git + AGE Encryption), and and and ... well, there is just so much you can do in 24h :rolleyes: .

Originally the Backup Server was supposed to be turned on on demand e.g. once every Week, to keep Power Consumption low.

But at the current SSD and RAM Prices, the cost Calculation seems to be very different.
 

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0.45kg, 1.77 dm3, (23-3-30 cm)

I don't know what's in the packages, but it ain't SSDs. Probably just an invoice in a FedEx mailer box.

Very interested to hear if @foureight84 receives drives since that package weight seems believable.
 
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Having dealt with a ransomware recently, a backup computer on the same network and with the same credentials than the primary server is as good as no backup. These things propagate from machine to machine if they are online.
You got infected through Linux or Windows ?
 

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how many did you order?
8. But according to their own website, each drive/caddy weighs 1.5 pounds (0.68kg) so the package weight is less than one. If you account for packaging weight, 450g is basically a small cardboard box empty.
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The datasheet of the SSD states the weight is 130g, so even if they didn't ship caddies and we assume the packaging weighs 0g, it cannot contain more than 3 SSDs.

Sigh, now to convince customs an empty box is not holding $500+ worth of SSD
 
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if they shipped empty boxes, without content, and Im paying 25% customs on it, its not ideal, and warrants negative feedback on ebay, they have not tried to reach out. first units should be getting deiverd today to people here, so guess we will know shortly
 

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Mine is now delivered to Jetcarrier. Unfortunately they don’t have a service where they can control the content of the package. I’ll have to wait and see.

I don't know what's in the packages, but it ain't SSDs. Probably just an invoice in a FedEx mailer box
I think it’s very unlikely that they’ve sent empty boxes. It’s a serious company and they have no real reason to. Canceling the order before shipping would’ve made much more sense, cause sending empty boxes would’ve meant that they found out long before they canceled our orders.

The reason the weight for the package is ”wrong” is more than likely that it makes no difference what they put there up to certain thresholds. They probably have their own weights that is added by their system when the shipping is booked.
 

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Oh yeah I'd be in a big **** if that happened. Same credential everywhere both for root and normal User :rolleyes: . Once again tied to that Issue with Salt and lack of being able to deploy Credentials.

I could in Theory change everywhere except my Workstations, and store the passwords in Bitwarden, but then it's also how to unlock in that event where I got no SSH / Clevis access at boot. Entering 64 Characters via IPMI Web Interface isn't fun :(.
 

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they have been weighed & sized by the forwarder, its definetly not SAS SSD inside
 

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i create a zfs snapshot after the backup. Wouldn't that protect from ransomware?
Not if they do zfs destroy -r ... if they can gain access.

I heard restic in append-only mode was also good against ransomware (since nothing older can be deleted), but all bets are off if the Account running the Program (let alone root) gets compromised.
 

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if they shipped empty boxes, without content, and Im paying 25% customs on it, its not ideal, and warrants negative feedback on ebay, they have not tried to reach out. first units should be getting deiverd today to people here, so guess we will know shortly
Tbh they would not really worry about negative feedback at that point.
They would get the boot from ebay if they intentionaly ship out empty boxes to fill the order without providing the listed item to multiple people, there is no way to pretend that is accidental.
 
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My forwarder (forward2me) provides a photo of the box along with measurement, and they also open the box to check the content is consistent with the invoice. They occasionally get it wrong (told me I needed freight shipping for a motherboard, got the dimensions wrong) or are overzealous (insisted on listing a power adapter separately from the device it came with), or get confused (corrected 15 SSDs to 5 SSDs as the drives were packaged 3 per static bag). But useful in those circumstances.

They also frequently move the warehouse without always notifying clients which caused me some other problems recently.
 

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what you can do at least is have a firewall rules to prevent server to server connections of dangerous ports, like RDP on windows or SSH on linux. Likewise, no reason for a server to initiate a connection to your desktop, so firewall rules on your desktop.
I only have Firewall (kinda) set up on 1 Proxmox VE Host (takes Time to make sure that all Whitelisting and Management rules are in place in order to avoid getting locked out).

Nothing on Desktop.

I don't use Windows anymore so that's one less Thing to worry about.

But Linux and SSH with Password Authentication is also not good (especially since Password is always the same).
 

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The reason the weight for the package is ”wrong” is more than likely that it makes no difference what they put there up to certain thresholds. They probably have their own weights that is added by their system when the shipping is booked.
I don't know about your JC experience, but having shipped many packages with them, they rarely get it this wrong. They charge by weight or dimensional weight, and what they record is correct (+/-15%) compared to what arrives at your door.

FedEx might take it from the shipping label created by the seller, but shipping forwarders do not.

I would say the orders were cancelled because the boxes are empty. Inventory system mistake, they shipped us air or empty anti static bags, I don't know what it is but there are zero SAS SSDs in that box.
 

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What would be the point in shipping empty boxes? They either spotted this before shipping in which case they'd just cancel the order and never ship it or they didn't in which case they've shipped you what you ordered. If they spotted the mistake after they shipped it then they might have been able to recall the package but I suspect it's unlikely to happen.

As a data point, I just weighed a Samsung 1TB 2.5" SSD and it's 61g, bare.
 

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For backups you might want to consider Stablebit DrivePool. it has some nice features. I just discovered one recently when I accidentally deleted the partition form a 14TB HD when I had it out for testing in another box. After an O shit moment that seemed to last forever as I contemplated on how to best fix this major goof I put the drive back in it's original server and to my complete surprise and joy, DrivePool began to rebuilt the pool automatically after booting up without me doing anything but stare in disbelief. After the rebuild everything was back to the way it was before. And also, you can remove a single drive from a pool and it automatically renders the entire pool read only. To recover you simply plug the drive back in.
How does a Windows-only Application help with GNU/Linux ?
 
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As a data point, I just weighed a Samsung 1TB 2.5" SSD and it's 61g, bare.
So multiply that by 8, and you get 0.488kg. Boxes and padded envelopes don't weigh nothing, so given this forwarder is known for accurately recording weight and dimensions, what they received cannot possibly contain the ordered quantity of SSDs. This is also excluding a caddy, which is metal and heavier than an SSD. The seller's website stating the product weighs 1.5 pounds matches what I would expect of a SAS SSD and a 2.5" caddy. Can we at least agree on these basic facts?

I don't know why they would bother to ship empty boxes, it's a very good question that might be answered if they had sent anyone of us a message before or after cancelling the orders. Maybe the boxes aren't empty, maybe they shipped a screw kit for the caddy. Clearly, mistakes were made by this seller.

Someone in the US or with a forwarder that photographs the contents can solve the Schroedinger's box SSD mystery.
 
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ca3y6

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As a data point, I just weighed a Samsung 1TB 2.5" SSD and it's 61g, bare.
SAS drives are heavier, in the 150g region. But those come with a 3.5in caddy, so that would easily push the weight to above 400g. In any case I agree with you, it’s a fairly remote risk. And everything I have seen over the past two days suggests they are too disorganised to be that cunning!
 

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It doesn't. :( I'm still looking for a decent Linux Backup program but haven't found one yet. :(. This is why my 2 backup servers are still Windows. :(
I'm not using it yet, but I heard restic was a good Option.

Deduplication, Encryption, and you can run it with a local Disc as a Target, to a HTTPS restic Server and I believe over SSH if you want that road.
 
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The seller is getting some free publicity on this board. Maybe that is their intent.
 

ajawad

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My SSD should arrive within 1-2 hours so I'll let you guys know what I'll get. I bought a 2TB sas for $30 lmao
 
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