Enterprise SSD "small deals"
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It's funny, I was looking at the post just above (HGST 3.2TB U.2 NVMe) to potentially replace my 3.2TB IoDrive2 as my 'scratch' drive in my server, in the hopes I'd get a bit lower power consumption, but then pulled up the datasheet and realized it's 9W idle, 25W max, so pretty much the same.
I get that it's an order of magnitude (or two) faster than a spinning rust drive, but it's interesting to see 24TB-28TB helium filled mechanical HDDs somehow becoming the low power option when looking at idle watts per TB compared to a bunch of SSDs. Even 6x SATA SSDs idling at 1W each and you're right up there with the mechanical HDD in idle power, and you probably have a couple watts from consuming an entire dedicated SATA controller ASIC to connect them to.
Many thanks to those in the thread who continue to post the deals.
I get that it's an order of magnitude (or two) faster than a spinning rust drive, but it's interesting to see 24TB-28TB helium filled mechanical HDDs somehow becoming the low power option when looking at idle watts per TB compared to a bunch of SSDs. Even 6x SATA SSDs idling at 1W each and you're right up there with the mechanical HDD in idle power, and you probably have a couple watts from consuming an entire dedicated SATA controller ASIC to connect them to.
Many thanks to those in the thread who continue to post the deals.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/365824807124
Lot of (4) Samsung 3.8TB PM1643 2.5" SAS Server SSD Hard Drives MZ-ILT3T8A 512k
current bid $512, ends at 2300 EDT
Lot of (4) Samsung 3.8TB PM1643 2.5" SAS Server SSD Hard Drives MZ-ILT3T8A 512k
current bid $512, ends at 2300 EDT
I agree, the sweet spot right now in term of large used SSD pricing is 3.84TB. I have a NAS with 12x 22TB HDD. If I wanted to switch to SSD, even SATA SSD, we are talking about 70 disks, i.e. 70w idle plus the power of the HBA (or expanders), and probably a beefer server board to get enough PCIe lanes. NVMe or SAS SSDs would multiply those wattage numbers by 5. There aren't SATA SSD larger than 7.68TB and those are fairly rare and pricey on the used market. So the maths will only work in terms of wattage in 5-8y when those huge 30TB-120TB SAS/NVMe SSDs will come to the used market for cheap (if they ever do, they seem to be distributed mostly to big clouds who notoriously shred their used disks).
Until early 2025 i have not heard about anything bigger as well, but:
Phison SA50
Exascend Sx4
Given NAND die size, and 2,5" 7mm limitation i bet all of them are QLC, yet in theory at least these two were engineered.
Reality is - if none (Dell/HPE/SM) of big names will introduce them as part of any server SKU, they won't find a way to market already using NVMes.
Wow, Exascend even seem to have M.2 2280 NVMe up to 15.36TB with their PE4 series! I've never seen that before. Only hardware PLP up to ≤ 8TB but still.. Thats a lot happening on a 22x80mm board.
Datasheet Exascend PE4
Looking at the very Poor Screenshots of SMART Data there are some Warnings.
Unsure how serious these are:
- Count of LBAs with Write Fault Errors
- Count with LBAs with ECC detected Read Errors
LENOVO System x 3.84TB SSD SAS 6Gb P/N: 00NA671 Model: SXMLLD $130 Please note this is SAS2, not SAS3.
[edit] and LENOVO SYSTEM X 3.84TB SSD 00NA671/00NA672 MODEL SXMLLD SAS 6Gb
[edit] and LENOVO SYSTEM X 3.84TB SSD 00NA671/00NA672 MODEL SXMLLD SAS 6Gb
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This is the Seller that sold me those Intel P4500/P4510 4TB SSDs only for me to receive Intel P3500 800GB SSDs. Refunded by him, but the Import VAT has been paid and will NOT be paid back, since he refuses to provide an updated Invoice showing an approximate Value for those **** Drives and Jetcarrier refuses to do anything without that. So, as usual, the end Customer gets screwed by everybody
.This might be a repeat of that.
Listing mentions X357A, while Label shows NetApp X356A-R6. Cannot remember if they are equivalent and if one is the "successor" of the other.
No mention of Firmware either.
Take care !
that may be the case but that's a risk you have to accept when you import a drive yourself. I have been on the other end of that recently, and foolishly sold some drives through ebay's global shipping programme. The buyer claimed the parcel was damaged (it was) though I doubt the drives were affected, and requested a refund/return. I would have had to arrange shipping from a foreign country back to the UK at my own expense (most carriers don't allow that, and the buyer wasn't willing to help), plus would have to pay import duties (even though it is a return). I am never shipping abroad again. So you can see it from a seller point of view.This is the Seller that sold me those Intel P4500/P4510 4TB SSDs only for me to receive Intel P3500 800GB SSDs. Refunded by him, but the Import VAT has been paid and will NOT be paid back, since he refuses to provide an updated Invoice showing an approximate Value for those **** Drives and Jetcarrier refuses to do anything without that. So, as usual, the end Customer gets screwed by everybody
My experience with this seller was good, he sold me a lot of cheap 6.4TB drives, no issue on my end. I notified the seller of the mismatch.
I asked him for some SMART Data & Firmware Version. But I would only offer half that Price anyways (and only if it's a "sane" Firmware Version).
I feel that this Seller has a habit of just putting some random Pictures up and not the one for the Drive they are selling.
It might have been a honest Mistake but when I opened the Package I was like ... "were they trying to scam me by shipping a much lower priced Drive instead of what I paid for ?". Thankfully they refunded and even with the VAT paid I guess 30-40 USD for a 800gb is kinda "meh", despite what the Seller says that "The value of the drives you got to keep are more than enough for compensation".
U.2 Slots are limited so using one for a 800gb Drive instead of a 4TB is a waste. Sure I can probably use them in one System and better than nothing but I'd rather have those 4TB I paid for
.I left Neutral Feedback as I didn't feel Negative Feedback was justified since they refunded without too much hassle (minus the previous Statement that they would have sent the correct Drive, which later they said they didn't have in Stock anymore).
Then you can sell them to recover your cost.
Based on my experience with this seller, you are unlikely to get more than a 15% discount. Though he has lots to sell, so might take a greater discount for volume (and $145 for 60% health is a tad expensive, I think fair price should be in the $120 region, also means he is unlikely to sell many at the asking price, you can just wait). I personally tend to treat as spam buyers who demand a much greater discount than is allowed by my "Make an offer" button.
Based on my experience with this seller, you are unlikely to get more than a 15% discount. Though he has lots to sell, so might take a greater discount for volume (and $145 for 60% health is a tad expensive, I think fair price should be in the $120 region, also means he is unlikely to sell many at the asking price, you can just wait). I personally tend to treat as spam buyers who demand a much greater discount than is allowed by my "Make an offer" button.
For people feeling lucky Dell/Toshiba PX05SRB384Y 3.84TB SAS-3 12Gb/s 2.5in SSD - NOT WORKING, SOLD AS-IS $100
This one sold (all 45) before I had a chance to post it IBM MZ-ILT15T0 15.36TB PM1643 2.5 SAS 12GBPS SSD $390 though these are IBM and may be formatted to 520 and impossible to switch to 512. So I wouldn’t have taken the risk myself as it is most likely only usable as a door stop if you don’t have a IBM system.
I managed to buy just the one before it sold out l. So I'll report back on it and whether we should all feel bad for missing it or not. I am potentially kicking myself for not taking a few more at that price...
would be curious thank you. My previous experience with IBM SAS were not good.
Maybe it was for the best then that I didn't buy more... I formatted netapps to 512 no problem before but didnt realise IBMs could be problematic.