Enterprise SSD "small deals"

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b3rrytech

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Looking at the data sheet for the Micron 5210 ION they’ve pretty lousy write IOPS and write speed. Definitely a WORM drive. Endurance is a bit lower than the 5100 ECO.

I guess they were a pretty good deal new if you upgraded from HDDs and had mostly WORM data. Still, even this post might be a decent deal depending on use case.
 

josh

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But that's a great deal, and as you can tell from the timeline of the thread, it was gone in minutes. The vast majority of buyers wait to make a decision to buy, and once they do, take the first price on ebay. But opportunistic buyers like most followers of this thread, who are happy to wait for months to grab a great deal (i.e. have the patience, the funds and available slots) are atypical. And I am actually out of that population (no more available slots). In fact I have a pile of unused 3.84TB SATA SSDs waiting in a closet which breaks my heart! I have been a net seller on ebay YTD.
Where are you selling your 3.84TBs :)
 
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ca3y6

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Where are you selling your 3.84TBs :)
For the moment I am only selling a couple of 10DWPD 3.2TB drives:



They are good deals but not great deals!! I have a handful of 3.2TB U.2 and a big pile of 3.84TB SATA that I keep around for a hypothetical future project.
 
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josh

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For the moment I am only selling a couple of 10DWPD 3.2TB drives:



They are good deals but not great deals!! I have a handful of 3.2TB U.2 and a big pile of 3.84TB SATA that I keep around for a hypothetical future project.
Only one each? :(
 

ca3y6

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If I had to guess the description corresponds to the worst drive(s) in the batch. Just a guess.
 

josh

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My very limited understanding is that 1 bad sector isn't a big deal. The price is concerning though. Makes me think the seller knows something they aren't letting on, either that or it's a great deal right?
Usually once the first bad sector appears more are on the way. These enterprise drives should have enough buffer cells to reallocate so that means it's burned through all of it? (Don't quote me on this)
 

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Usually once the first bad sector appears more are on the way. These enterprise drives should have enough buffer cells to reallocate so that means it's burned through all of it? (Don't quote me on this)
Oh I see, so having a bad sector means it's already had enough reallocated sectors to burn through the extras. Hard pass then.
 

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Oh I see, so having a bad sector means it's already had enough reallocated sectors to burn through the extras. Hard pass then.
Not necessarily, if the sector fails to read the drive has to report it so that raid controllers or software can do the right thing, but then a future write would go to a fresh page of NAND from the reserve and work fine. It's sort of impossible to tell exactly what the seller means without the full stats from a drive.
 

luckylinux

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Not necessarily, if the sector fails to read the drive has to report it so that raid controllers or software can do the right thing, but then a future write would go to a fresh page of NAND from the reserve and work fine. It's sort of impossible to tell exactly what the seller means without the full stats from a drive.
And I guess we could do our own Overprovisioning, although to be honest since I never did it myself via hdparm, I don't know if there is a difference between:
  • Doing via hdparm and directly modify the Capacity that the SSD reports to the OS
  • Doing via Partitioning (e.g. parted or gdisk) and create a Partition smaller than the entire Drive

Typically I always do Partitioning and always leave a small Fraction of the Drive (e.g. 512MB for a 0.5TB - 4TB Drive) unpartitioned at the End of the Drive, to account for slighly different Number of Sectors between Drives. I cannot say I ever saw the Need for it though, they seem to perfectly match in Terms of Sectors and if there are Differences, it's typically 3.84TB vs 3.6TB or 1.92TB vs 1.6TB or something like that, something that a meager 512MB cannot compensate at all.

I'd wonder for Overprovisioning if, using a Partition "Type" of Overprovisioning (e.g. leave 20% of the Drive unpartitioned), that would achieve the same Result as doing it via hdparm.

Since I don't really look at smartctl all that much (apart from TBW and Temperatures), but rather rely on ZFS Checksum Reports, probably the end Result, at least for me it's the same. Basically when the OS / ZFS thinks the Drive is full, there are actually still quite a few Sectors available, which could in Theory be used for Wear Levelling. BUT I guess that since the Drive itself does NOT know that we want that Part of the Drive to be used for Wear Levelling, it most likely would still generate SMART Errors.

Any Thought :) ?
 

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As far as I know SSD controllers don't parse the partition table at all, so unless you're using NVMe namespaces to over-provision you just want some region that won't ever take writes from the host. I don't think that really gains you much on an enterprise drive unless you're trying to get better sustained random write performance out of a 'read intensive' type drive.
 

luckylinux

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As far as I know SSD controllers don't parse the partition table at all, so unless you're using NVMe namespaces to over-provision you just want some region that won't ever take writes from the host. I don't think that really gains you much on an enterprise drive unless you're trying to get better sustained random write performance out of a 'read intensive' type drive.
Alright. I'm not tempted to touch a SSD which already has at least some Sectors that are Bad :( .

I just had a HDD fail on my Server Today without ANY Warning at all (which is weird in my Experience) :confused:: just disappeared from the OS, no Click, no ATA Errors in dmesg, nothing. Just some ZFS ZIO Errors which is normal since the Drive couldn't be written to (and zfs failed it from the affected VDEV).