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Filez

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Well I still [have to] use it at work (regrettably) :rolleyes: .

At least HyperV on Windows 11 is quite Decent so you can run Linux VM quite well (provided you format them with mkfs.ext4 -G 4096 so that it doesn't result in a 200% Space utilization Overhead on the Host :)). But yeah, I don't really like Powershell Scripting :p.
mkfs.ext4 -G 4096 -- is that true for KVM on ubuntu as well?
 

richardm

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That probably rules out most NVMe Drives, surely U.2 and PCIe, leaving possible M.2 up to the Game (assuming they will do ASPM).

So you are left with SATA and SAS, out of which SATA is much better in Terms of Power Consumption, but also quite a bit more expensive in the 2nd Hand Market (around twice the Price as SAS/NVMe ?).
FWIW the uncommon Intel SSD DC P4501 was specifically marketed as a power-sipping datacenter NVMe drive:

"The P4501 will support tunable power limits: the U.2 version can be capped at 8W, 10W or 12.5W while the M.2 version will support limits of 6W or 8.25W. Idle power is not a priority for datacenter SSDs, but the U.2 version is specified for less than 5W at idle and the M.2 version is specified for less than 3W."

OK, not really a power-sipper. But better than most.

The even rarer DC P4601 (also a low-power design) -- was apparently handed over to Solidigm. It's so rare that I can't find a spec sheet from either brand.
 

acquacow

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There's a some slightly incorrect info here regarding the ioDrives you all have been discussing (I worked at Fusion-io/Sandisk for 7 years building high-perf storage systems).

The SX/PX/300/350 are all the same drives. Same FPGA, same firmware, etc... The only real differentiating factor is that the SX300s are on Micron NAND and SX350s were released with SanDisk NAND after they bought us. They all have slightly different warrantied marketing specs for speeds and edurances as the only real difference. The rated capacities/wear life differences are just a factor of the factory over-provisioning at the drive/driver level, which is completely user-adjustable.

The cards by default will limit themselves to 25W under write workloads if they can't get a supported wattage metric from the slot itself. You can enable PCI-e power override to support up to 75W in a proper slot, but the full-height cards max out around 55W at peak write. None of the cards will ever hit 75W.

Current linux support is best handled by using the drivers over at RemixVSL: RemixVSL

That's what I run in proxmox currently.
 
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luckylinux

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mkfs.ext4 -G 4096 -- is that true for KVM on ubuntu as well?
Not necessary IMHO.

It's really a HyperV related Issue. Otherwise your 64GB Virtual Disk on the Inside turns into a 128-192 GB File on the Host on HyperV.

You really do NOT have such Issues with KVM.
 
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luckylinux

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Unsure if I already mentioned it already but there is this (relisted from the one I previously bought, negotiated from 150 USD / Piece down to 100 USD / Piece, for 2 x Pieces):

Lenovo TOSHIBA 3.84TB SSD 2.5 U.2 NVMe KCM5DRUG3T84 (78% & 79%) Health - Open to Offers

 

luckylinux

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Not a great deal but maybe they will take offers. 3.84tb sas and sata $150


That SATA isn't so bad actually :).

I just grabbed 4 of these INTEL DC P4511 2TB (no more left, sorry :p ), 75 USD negotiated down to 60 USD / Piece for 2TB M.2 22110:


Just to say that it might be worth watching this Seller, some of their Offer are quite good (although I could NOT negotiate THAT much on this one, I tried and got autorejected for 40-45-50-55 then finally on the last one I got accepted at 60 USD).
 

josh

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That SATA isn't so bad actually :).

I just grabbed 4 of these INTEL DC P4511 2TB (no more left, sorry :p ), 75 USD negotiated down to 60 USD / Piece for 2TB M.2 22110:


Just to say that it might be worth watching this Seller, some of their Offer are quite good (although I could NOT negotiate THAT much on this one, I tried and got autorejected for 40-45-50-55 then finally on the last one I got accepted at 60 USD).
Any reason to pick SATA over SAS?
 

luckylinux

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Any reason to pick SATA over SAS?
Lower Power Consumption and works with your onboard SATA Controller, thus no need for an extra PCIe HBA, unless your Server Motherboard has an onboard already SAS HBA Controller (e.g. LSI 3108).
 

luckylinux

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Not a great deal but maybe they will take offers. 3.84tb sas and sata $150


I offered 100 USD / Piece for 2 Pieces for the SATA (2nd Link), seller Countered with 130 USD / Piece for 2 Pieces.

A bit too much for my liking I think I'll pass on this :rolleyes: .

EDIT 1: for those interesteed, there is an older SATA Model (PM863) at the same List Price of 150 USD:


Note (for Firmware Updates Availability): it's -0003 vs the -0005 of the other Drive, so read the Topic about SED vs non-SED (in no particular Order: I always forget which is which)
 
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josh

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Lower Power Consumption and works with your onboard SATA Controller, thus no need for an extra PCIe HBA, unless your Server Motherboard has an onboard already SAS HBA Controller (e.g. LSI 3108).
SAS is backward compatible
 

josh

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Who keeps buying these at these high prices man.. 265 of these were sold at only $100 just days ago
 

luckylinux

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Who keeps buying these at these high prices man.. 265 of these were sold at only $100 just days ago
You should really start writing in a clear Way. I don't enjoy having to do Reverse Engineering on a Permanent basis.

265 of what "these" ? SAS or SATA ? Got a Link ?

None of "these" were either in this Thread or a dedicated Thread surely not for 265 Pieces ...
 

luckylinux

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There's a some slightly incorrect info here regarding the ioDrives you all have been discussing (I worked at Fusion-io/Sandisk for 7 years building high-perf storage systems).

The SX/PX/300/350 are all the same drives. Same FPGA, same firmware, etc... The only real differentiating factor is that the SX300s are on Micron NAND and SX350s were released with SanDisk NAND after they bought us. They all have slightly different warrantied marketing specs for speeds and edurances as the only real difference. The rated capacities/wear life differences are just a factor of the factory over-provisioning at the drive/driver level, which is completely user-adjustable.

The cards by default will limit themselves to 25W under write workloads if they can't get a supported wattage metric from the slot itself. You can enable PCI-e power override to support up to 75W in a proper slot, but the full-height cards max out around 55W at peak write. None of the cards will ever hit 75W.

Current linux support is best handled by using the drivers over at RemixVSL: RemixVSL

That's what I run in proxmox currently.
By the Way, do you know if these Drives support ASPM in order to let the CPU "sleep" & achieve Package C-States of PC6 or better (PC8, etc) in order to save something on Power Consumption Figures ?

Many Devices unfortunately don't support ASPM and then the CPU is stuck at Package C-State PC2 or at best PC3 ...
 

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Who keeps buying these at these high prices man.. 265 of these were sold at only $100 just days ago
But that's a great deal, and as you can tell from the timeline of the thread, it was gone in minutes. The vast majority of buyers wait to make a decision to buy, and once they do, take the first price on ebay. But opportunistic buyers like most followers of this thread, who are happy to wait for months to grab a great deal (i.e. have the patience, the funds and available slots) are atypical. And I am actually out of that population (no more available slots). In fact I have a pile of unused 3.84TB SATA SSDs waiting in a closet which breaks my heart! I have been a net seller on ebay YTD.