CWWK/Topton/... Nxxx quad NIC router
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Easy, I have tested with Kingston KC3000, Aorus gen4 and 980 pro ssds, ASPM only works for PCI express slot 1. For slot 2-4 the kernel can not mount the SSDs with ASPM enabled, fails while probing ASPM feature. See DMESG attached
I would be happy if anyone can tell me which magic setting in bios makes it work. So far ASPM set to AUTO works only for PCI express line 1.(ASPM for LAN was discussed on page 3-4 of this thread)
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My 2 cents: If you aren't behind a cgnat IPV4 address, and need IPV6 to access your machines from the internet, e.g. by running wireguard VPN, stay away from IPV6 and use IPV4 only. It is much easier to understand, and building filter rules using an internal IP range vs an external one is much easier. I can also use IPV6, but after playing around with the settings I never was sure if I really blocked what was required or if I left holes in the network. Now I just use IPV4 instead.
wg easy is the way to go in my opinion. Sometimes I had issues with the wg plugin of opnsense, and it wasn't really stable all the time and for every version. I dropped this idea, instead I just run a small lxc container in Proxmox, with wg easy as container. I also love wg easy for providing QR codes, which makes adding mobile phones very easy.
Received N100 Unit from Ali (Topton store). Model C case.
RAM: Crucial DDR5 16GB
NVME: 256GB Integral
BIOS: ALN4L101 (27 Sep 2023)
No BIOS settings changed.
Successful memtest (approx 3 hours).
CPU temp didnt display.
RAM temp was around 70C
installed OPNsense on baremetal (not interested in Proxmox yet as i don’t have a use case. I run a synology with numerous containers for anything i need running 24/7)
OPNsense CPU temp widget shows 4 cores idling around 42-49C. I have it running with just the LAN interface connected into my current home network. Won’t replace my existing router until I’m confident of stability
Can see a slight gap between CPU and cooler. Will clean off paste and reapply and post my findings here again.
RAM: Crucial DDR5 16GB
NVME: 256GB Integral
BIOS: ALN4L101 (27 Sep 2023)
No BIOS settings changed.
Successful memtest (approx 3 hours).
CPU temp didnt display.
RAM temp was around 70C
installed OPNsense on baremetal (not interested in Proxmox yet as i don’t have a use case. I run a synology with numerous containers for anything i need running 24/7)
OPNsense CPU temp widget shows 4 cores idling around 42-49C. I have it running with just the LAN interface connected into my current home network. Won’t replace my existing router until I’m confident of stability
Can see a slight gap between CPU and cooler. Will clean off paste and reapply and post my findings here again.
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Re-applied thermal paste using Arctic MX-4. Still idling around 42-45C at 2% CPU usage. I think next step is either a cooling fan, or thermal pad?
An Arctic TP-2 0.5mm thermal pad between the copper block and case with a little paste between the cpu and copper block reduced my N100 from mid 40's to mid 30's
No I didn't. A bare pad between the case and the copper screwed down.
The N305-powered CWWK firewall/router I picked up back in October off Amazon when it was on sale for $286 (arrived in 5 days) seems to run nice and cool averaging 32C for the CPU and 44C for the 1TB NVME drive. 32GB RAM. No external fans or anything like that, the only thing I did to assist in cooling was get 4 cheap laptop riser "feet" pedestals that raise the whole thing about an inch off the surface to allow for better airflow under the case. It barely feels warm to the touch, even when running backups to the NAS server.
With OPNsense running as a VM as well as a second VM for Home Assistant *and* a CT running 17 docker containers, it idles around 5% CPU, bursting up to 10% when it gets busy, and 30% when Proxmox is backing up the 2 VMs and CT to my NAS every night via Proxmox Backup Server running as a VM on the NAS itself.
WAN port is plugged into ATT fiber 2.5GB/5GB port, LAN port into a 1GB Unifi switch, PC port plugged into the Intel 2.5Gb PCIe NIC on my PC, and 4th port is plugged into the Unifi switch which is how I manage Proxmox on it.
The WAN and LAN ports are passed straight through to the OPNsense VM itself.
Solid as a rock so far.
I have an older ~7 year-old i7-4790K PC running 4 monitors hooked up to a GTX 980ti hybrid video card, 10-port Unifi switch (fully populated), tiny UNRAID server on an ASrock tiny PC w/4 drives, ASUStor 6604 w/4 spinning rust drives, the ATT fiber modem, and a 5-port Unifi mini switch powered by POE from the 10-port switch as well as two Raspberry Pi 4s and a tiny cube wifi-only micro-PC for retro-gaming. PC pulls ~190W and the rest is ~102W. When I turn the monitors off at night when I go to bed, PC power usage drops by ~100W.
About the last thing I need to do with my home network setup is to upgrade that 10port Unifi 1GB switch to a newer 10-port 2.5GB Unifi switch so I can finally take advantage of the 2.5GB ports on the ASUStor NAS and then everything put the UNRAID, PIs, and Unifi Mini will be running at 2.5Gbps, including the ATT Fiber connection which is 1Gbps itself. Thanks to the heavy fiber ISP competition in my area due to Google Fiber rolling out here many years ago forcing all the other ISPs to also go fiber or go out of business it's only costing me $40/mo for 1Gbps fiber.
This "network upgrade" has been a long time coming in the planning and execution phases.
ATT was lazy and ran the fiber hookup through the laundry rooms in all the apartments here in my complex which required me to run a 30' fiber patch cable from the box itself to the fiber GPON router (in passthru mode of course) so I could get that moved to my network area and on the UPS there. I tested it and the router itself under heavy load draws about 12W. Not too bad but would be nicer if I could get my own smaller fiber GPON device and ditch that stupid giant white box of an eyesore.
UNRAID used to handle most of my containers, now it's only home to my PBS VM and a couple of other containers to spread the load out.
A lot of the VMs I used to run on the ASUStor itself wound up getting containerized - or rebuilt as a new VM in the case of Home Assistant - and now run on the CWWK N305 box itself since my firewall will always be running.
Electric bill is about $75/mo.
And that's how I'm running my particular 4-port CWWK N305 device.
With OPNsense running as a VM as well as a second VM for Home Assistant *and* a CT running 17 docker containers, it idles around 5% CPU, bursting up to 10% when it gets busy, and 30% when Proxmox is backing up the 2 VMs and CT to my NAS every night via Proxmox Backup Server running as a VM on the NAS itself.
WAN port is plugged into ATT fiber 2.5GB/5GB port, LAN port into a 1GB Unifi switch, PC port plugged into the Intel 2.5Gb PCIe NIC on my PC, and 4th port is plugged into the Unifi switch which is how I manage Proxmox on it.
The WAN and LAN ports are passed straight through to the OPNsense VM itself.
Solid as a rock so far.
I have an older ~7 year-old i7-4790K PC running 4 monitors hooked up to a GTX 980ti hybrid video card, 10-port Unifi switch (fully populated), tiny UNRAID server on an ASrock tiny PC w/4 drives, ASUStor 6604 w/4 spinning rust drives, the ATT fiber modem, and a 5-port Unifi mini switch powered by POE from the 10-port switch as well as two Raspberry Pi 4s and a tiny cube wifi-only micro-PC for retro-gaming. PC pulls ~190W and the rest is ~102W. When I turn the monitors off at night when I go to bed, PC power usage drops by ~100W.
About the last thing I need to do with my home network setup is to upgrade that 10port Unifi 1GB switch to a newer 10-port 2.5GB Unifi switch so I can finally take advantage of the 2.5GB ports on the ASUStor NAS and then everything put the UNRAID, PIs, and Unifi Mini will be running at 2.5Gbps, including the ATT Fiber connection which is 1Gbps itself. Thanks to the heavy fiber ISP competition in my area due to Google Fiber rolling out here many years ago forcing all the other ISPs to also go fiber or go out of business it's only costing me $40/mo for 1Gbps fiber.
This "network upgrade" has been a long time coming in the planning and execution phases.
ATT was lazy and ran the fiber hookup through the laundry rooms in all the apartments here in my complex which required me to run a 30' fiber patch cable from the box itself to the fiber GPON router (in passthru mode of course) so I could get that moved to my network area and on the UPS there. I tested it and the router itself under heavy load draws about 12W. Not too bad but would be nicer if I could get my own smaller fiber GPON device and ditch that stupid giant white box of an eyesore.
UNRAID used to handle most of my containers, now it's only home to my PBS VM and a couple of other containers to spread the load out.
A lot of the VMs I used to run on the ASUStor itself wound up getting containerized - or rebuilt as a new VM in the case of Home Assistant - and now run on the CWWK N305 box itself since my firewall will always be running.
Electric bill is about $75/mo.
And that's how I'm running my particular 4-port CWWK N305 device.
I use a "Zhurui PR10 Power Recorder":
Just to confirm that this seems to be not only applicable to Maor:
Unfortunately for me it's exactly the same issue with my N100 and 4x-board.
With BIOS „ALN4L101“ 09/27/2023 I can only use the NVMe-slot on the mainboard. On the 4x-board only slot 1 works.
No change of setting regarding PCIe bifurcation or ASPM changes anything.I have currently working 3 nvme ssds: 1x kc3000, 1x 980 pro, 1x aorus gen4.
The pcie # 1 works with ASPM set to Auto, lspci -vvv shows ASPM L1 is enabled.
For pcie #2-4 I have ASPM disabled and the SSDs works that way.
how are temperatures? like norcom, I also reviewed the last 70 or so pages and it seems like some users are OK and some have NVMe that are 90C and unusable.
Uh, I can't decide which CWWK version I should get...
All I need is 2 ethernets and fanless, going for pfsense bare-metal, with 2gbps pppoe, I'm aware of temps...
And there is.. 2 ports - is this fan necessary?
This one is bigger but short fins
This one got little bigger fins
This one got even bigger fins
and I'm over 50$ higher than first choice lol
Guys, which one Should I take? What temperatures could I expect at smallest one without fan? How about others?
All I need is 2 ethernets and fanless, going for pfsense bare-metal, with 2gbps pppoe, I'm aware of temps...
And there is.. 2 ports - is this fan necessary?
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and I'm over 50$ higher than first choice lol
Guys, which one Should I take? What temperatures could I expect at smallest one without fan? How about others?
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