CWWK/Topton/... Nxxx quad NIC router

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Becks0815

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I think you do not understand the risk of BIOS/UEFI poses. It is run as soon as the machine is turned on so can affect everything that loads after it which is why it has been the 'holy grail' for cyber criminals.
I pretty much understand computers, don't worry. As long as "whatever runs during boot time" is not able to modify the OS and software (opnsense in my case) and punch a hole into it in a way that it can be remotely attacked and taken over, there is zero risk.

Please show me any kind of remote attack which has been successful using this kind of attack method on a firewall router. So far I only have seen examples which simply don't fit, which makes me wonder who has issues with understanding the whole thing.

If you refer to this one here - it's also not relevant for a firewall. The target system was and is Windows, and to install the BIOS/UEFI rootkit you first have to run infected software on the target machine. Good luck with trying this attack method on FreeBSD and not Windows, where people typically only run software provided by the owner of the FW software repos (e.g. opnsense) but not anything else.

Here is the attack method of the UEFI rootkit I have linked.
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Now try this with Proxmox being booted during runtime, which then launches Opnsense (stored in an lxc container on the hard drive of Proxmox), which in the end controls access to my network.

The root kit would first have to infect Linux (Proxmox) and modify it in a way, so it's also modifying the right container containing opnsense (based on FreeBSD) and compromise this system. I see a higher chance in a Chinese agent climbing through the window of the room where the box is and replacing it with a modified one than any UEFI rootkit being able to achieve this, but I am all open ears to be proven wrong.
 
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Radix

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I pretty much understand computers, don't worry. [blah blah.. blah blah... blah blah blah blah blah! ]
I feel this kind of discussion of firmware hacking and whatnot should be in another thread - it's really not helpful to owners of these machines and isn't a specific threat to any of these machines - it's something that can happen to any manufacturer. Lets keep on topic please.
 

xmancharl5

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newbie here...

no Instructions came with N100

boots okay

need a walk through how to use this

been in bios, put xman for login

can enter login name, but not password

as for the menu item, just let it boot, or make a selection

help needed

login.JPGmenu.JPG
 

fragpic

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Bought the N100 model from the CWWK store. Installed a Samsung DDR5 stick and a 128gb sk hynix pcie nvme ssd.
The unit does not seem to post. As soon as I connect the power supply, the power led turns on with a long beep followed by 3 short beeps.
I reached out to the CWWK support but no response yet. Does anyone have an idea of what could be wrong?
 

AnthonyUK

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newbie here...

no Instructions came with N100

boots okay

need a walk through how to use this

been in bios, put xman for login

can enter login name, but not password

as for the menu item, just let it boot, or make a selection

help needed

View attachment 29967View attachment 29968
What are you looking for info on, what they have installed as default?
It looks like pfsense. If so this is not the place to ask.

BTW - the password field does not update when typing so just type it in and press enter ;)
 

AnthonyUK

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Bought the N100 model from the CWWK store. Installed a Samsung DDR5 stick and a 128gb sk hynix pcie nvme ssd.
The unit does not seem to post. As soon as I connect the power supply, the power led turns on with a long beep followed by 3 short beeps.
I reached out to the CWWK support but no response yet. Does anyone have an idea of what could be wrong?
What spec is the RAM and what size? Does it boot without the NVME?
 

Zer0_C00L

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Anyone tried those new BIG DDR5 sticks in these, I'd expect they don't work or don't show up at full capacity, but if they did, could be cool, running several whole VMs in ram, with a fat ramdisk etc. Nearly 50GB of RAM - don't mind if I do...
 

Radix

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Anyone tried those new BIG DDR5 sticks in these, I'd expect they don't work or don't show up at full capacity, but if they did, could be cool, running several whole VMs in ram, with a fat ramdisk etc. Nearly 50GB of RAM - don't mind if I do...
Technically the NXXX chipset is only rated for 16GB according to the intel spec, though these boards seem to be fine with 32GB ram and the manufacturers even sell them with 32GB. Mine's pretty happy with 32GB. Please let us know if you are successful in getting it to take more!

As for ramdisk - not sure if the benefits outweigh the negatives personally.. but ymmv.
 

dimi3

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Hello,


My first post here..I tried to go through all the pages, BTW some great info here..but still if someone has first hand experience please comment;

I'm deciding to order direct from CWWK eather N100 or N305 with case type C as it looks it has better thermals.

Questions.;

Does someone have Type C case with N305 ? what are the idle temps and stress temps?

Does case type C utilize screws around CPU for better contact?

Would be possible or make sense to ask CWWK if case type C with heat pipes fits NXXX motherboards? Not sure how CPU is positioned on the PCB, but thermals would further improve at least with N305.

Thanks for answers,
 

filister

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I am also considering buying the N100 router and running Proxmox, Home Assistant, Opnsense, etc. on it. Since I am based in Germany I was wondering what do you guys think of Hunsn. I see only opinions about CWWK and Topton, but have not read a single line for Hunsn, which also seems to be using variant C with better thermal dissipation: https://amzn.eu/d/fc3YtfT. If I look on AliExpress, the price between this one and CWWK barebone N100 is negligible, plus the CWWK device is listed as not shippable to Germany, if I select another country within the EU, it works, but when I switch to Germany, it says that they won't ship it.

And did someone compare N100 with N200 power consumption both in idle and also under load, as the difference is not that big, and if they can provide much higher performance might be an interesting middle ground between N305 and n100. By the way, does anyone know why there are no i3-N300 boxes?
 
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nense

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Dilemma here regarding how to set up my n100 for my home usage.

Port use:
Dual wan (1Gbps + 700Mbsp), 1 desktop, 1 Wifi Acess Point (Xiaomi ax6000)

#Devices: 20+-

What would you choose?

1) Openwrt directly on hardware with docker containers for jellyfin server and one nvr (frigate, shinobi or whatever)

2) Proxmox with pfsense/opnsense, jellyfin server, nvr and torrent LXC

I'm inclined to go with openwrt since I'm familiar with it, but not with docker running on it. Will I lose performance on the nvr and jellyfin doing it this way oposing to LXC on proxmox? I want to do gpu decoding in jellyfin and don't need image classification on nvr.

Proxmox + pfsense would be a opportunity to learn something new or fail miserable.
I see so many people mentioning it, that I wonder what would I be missing.

By the way, pfsenseCE rolled a new version with i226-v support.
 

Radix

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I went with proxmox 8 and opnsense myself and been pretty happy with it. Got pi-hole on it too and switched over to it a few days ago as it's been running nicely . Never used any of those previously (it's replacing an EdgeRouter).
 
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