CWWK/Topton/... Nxxx quad NIC router

[Stovar]

Thinking of selling my hunsn N100 with 8gb ram and 256gb nvme. Anyone have an idea what I might be able to get for it?

Check your local ebay for similar N100s, 2nd hand and all you may not get much though £110-120. You have to remember there are many people selling N100s mini pcs with ram/ssd for around £100-110 anyhow its just our ones are usually more geared for routers/servers and passive.

You can pick up N150/12gb mini pcs from gmktec G9 aliexpress or gmktec directly for around £150 from aliexpress.

 

[newabc]

I bought 1 of this from Topton for testing. My experience on this is placing it vertically. Don't make it sit on the table without an external fan. It got very very hot when I was using a Debian variant distribution and updating the packages, then my ssd turned into read-only.

 

[camazza]

Hi guys, since I don't think it was mentioned before, I tried putting some PTM7950 both die-block and block-heatsink and it made a MASSIVE difference in thermals on my N100 box. It's a fancy phase-change thermal pad that seems ideal for this application.
I'm getting 34 °C at idle, 50 °C at max load with stress-ng matrix (41 °C after PL2) and it will only get better as this thing has to cook for a bit before reaching maximum efficiency.

 

[Trasher]

Hi guys, since I don't think it was mentioned before, I tried putting some PTM7950 both die-block and block-heatsink and it made a MASSIVE difference in thermals on my N100 box. It's a fancy phase-change thermal pad that seems ideal for this application.
I'm getting 34 °C at idle, 50 °C at max load with stress-ng matrix (41 °C after PL2) and it will only get better as this thing has to cook for a bit before reaching maximum efficiency.

I did the same, and noticed huge differences aswell! Got the topton inside a cabinet, so my temps are idle 41/ load 55 with a slowspinning fan. Without a fan it was 49/68. Before removing the 4kg of thermalgoop / installing ptm7950 the temps without fan was 55/81. This is stock bios, so no power-options in bios

 

[camazza]

I did the same, and noticed huge differences aswell! Got the topton inside a cabinet, so my temps are idle 41/ load 55 with a slowspinning fan. Without a fan it was 49/68. Before removing the 4kg of thermalgoop / installing ptm7950 the temps without fan was 55/81. This is stock bios, so no power-options in bios

I'm glad to hear that! I think it makes for an ideal solution for these mini-pc, especially since the mounting pressure is suboptimal. The pad fills the gaps more efficiently than pure thermal paste IMO. I'm quite happy staying below 60 °C at full load at 20 °C ambient temp. This means even in summer this thing will never go past 70. The pad will never need to be replaced and my mind can rest XD

 

[Trasher]

I'm glad to hear that! I think it makes for an ideal solution for these mini-pc, especially since the mounting pressure is suboptimal. The pad fills the gaps more efficiently than pure thermal paste IMO. I'm quite happy staying below 60 °C at full load at 20 °C ambient temp. This means even in summer this thing will never go past 70. The pad will never need to be replaced and my mind can rest XD

Yeah, that was why I did it. Transfers heat well, and no need to think about replacing the paste, it will work for the lifetime of the topton.

 

[slybunda]

where you guys getting ptm7950 from? all i can find here is the fake stuff. genuine ones cost a fortune.

 

[camazza]

where you guys getting ptm7950 from? all i can find here is the fake stuff. genuine ones cost a fortune.

I found it on Amazon. It was a random chinese seller but the stuff is genuine. Keep in mind Honeywell doesn't sell to end consumers, companies buy it in bulk and resell it, you never get "original" packaging as the stuff is sold in way higher quantities than the 8x8 sheet you get

 

[slybunda]

only place i can get the legit stuff from is RS components near me. and its expensive.
all these Chinese sellers from ebay, amazon, ali seem to have fakes.
also is the gelid version any good?

 

[KevinR]

Hi guys, since I don't think it was mentioned before, I tried putting some PTM7950 both die-block and block-heatsink and it made a MASSIVE difference in thermals on my N100 box. It's a fancy phase-change thermal pad that seems ideal for this application.
I'm getting 34 °C at idle, 50 °C at max load with stress-ng matrix (41 °C after PL2) and it will only get better as this thing has to cook for a bit before reaching maximum efficiency.

Useful feedback.

I guess it's limitation would be devices with poorer gaps since the pad is only 0.25mm. Something like the arctic product comes in 0.5/1/2mm thickness and with the recommended compression still spans big gaps.

 

[Trasher]

only place i can get the legit stuff from is RS components near me. and its expensive.
all these Chinese sellers from ebay, amazon, ali seem to have fakes.
also is the gelid version any good?

I got mine from aliexpress, so fake or not, it really works. I put the same between my gpu / waterblock, temps are the same after a year.

 

[quaker]

Hello,

I'm happy owner of CWWK N100 4 port router (case "B", with shorter fins).

Inside I've got motherboard labeled CW-AL-4L-V2.0, two NVME drives (one on PCIex4 SLOT, one via H-board plugged to PCIex1).

Not changed stock BIOS which reports as: Version: 2.2.1288, Date: 11/08/2023 15:35:45 Ver: ALN4L102.

Now, I've bought expansion board:

4*M.2 NVME interface supports expansion of 2/3 M.2 NVMe x1 adapter boards. Dedicated to special machines, only supports CWWK 4 network port N series products

M.2 x3 is only used for CWWK 4-network N series N95/N100/i3-N305 products. Please contact customer service before purchasing to ask if it is suitable for you to avoid purchasing a machine that is not compatible with you.

cwwk.net

Labels says: CW-ADLN-4PCIE V0.6

To use it I need BIOS upgrade.

CWWK employe told me to use:

BIOS Update
1. Intel Mini Host Series BIOS
1. 12th Generation AlderLake-U-P-N Full Series
1. 12th Generation AlderLake-N Pioneer Quad Network N95-N100-N200-N305 Series-V1-V2
2. 12th Generation AlderLake-N Pioneer Quad Network Series-V2
AlderLake-N Pioneer Quad Network N100-N200-I3-N305-V2_Factory Default Original Version

and file:

CW-AL-4L-V2.0 (Pioneer Quad Network N100-N200-I3-N305-V2 supports 5 M.2 versions) 2023.09.27.iso

Heres link:

畅网官方网盘

pan.changwang.com

Anyone with this configuration can confirm me that this is right choice?

I'm asking - because on their website is 2023.11.08 version:

CW-AL-4L-V2.0 (Pioneer Quad Network N100-N200-I3-N305-V2 supports 5 M.2 versions) 2023.11.08.iso

畅网官方网盘

pan.changwang.com

which seems to have same date, like BIOS I've already have.

 

[Stovar]

Like the idea of that PTM7950 thermal pad gonna buy one, these mini pcs goodness knows if that cpu contact is 100% or not so the pad should solve it. Also its a pitta if changing thermal paste or removing fans/coolers or re-applying paste.

See lots of Honeywell PTM 7950 Thermal Paste Pads on ebay for around £7-12, there is one with an applicator for more cost.

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[metlrise]

A good source for thermal putty and also phase change material reviews

Snarks Domain

The goal of this channel is to test things out and share my results. Hopefully you find my tests informative and an okay starting point when researching different Thermal Interface Materials. If you'd like to donate to the channel, I'll use the funds to purchase new materials for testing and...

www.youtube.com

under links there is a link to google drive with "VRAM TIM Charts Archive "

for example

XMR CPU TIM Chart April 3rd 2024.png

drive.google.com

 

[Stovar]

Installed the Honeywell PTM 7950 Thermal Paste Pads today, it appears to be genuine since I was getting roughly in the 65-75s with my 8845HS AMD cpu. Now its roughly 55-60c.

Its only 0.2mm thick, so It felt like it may be a bit too thin but you can always cut away more pieces and perhaps stack them, but I found it fine for myself and felt the copper block touching the cpu.

At least no need to file down stands and use copper shims and waste more time and money, these pads I believe just last a life time so no need to replace them ever.

**********Edit as others suggested there maybe a better and cheaper options via amazon, search for this:

ARCTIC-TP-3-Premium-Performance-Thermal

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ARCTIC-TP-3-Premium-Performance-Thermal/dp/B09V53W559?th=1

Stackable, genuine and cheaper than Honeywell PTM 7950s.

 

[boardlord]

Hey guys, I've just jumped on the minipc router train Bought this model with an N150 CPU:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006231070878.html

I've successfully migrated from an OpenWRT setup to OPNSense, a journey that was both fun and sometimes frustrating , and now using the OpenWRT router as a dump AP.

I'm quite happy overall, I'm just wondering if there are a) recommended BIOS tweaks, and b) BIOS updates for this particular model. Don't really know if the OEM is known for this box, so don't know where to start the search...

 

[blunden]

Hey guys, I've just jumped on the minipc router train Bought this model with an N150 CPU:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006231070878.html

I've successfully migrated from an OpenWRT setup to OPNSense, a journey that was both fun and sometimes frustrating , and now using the OpenWRT router as a dump AP.

I'm quite happy overall, I'm just wondering if there are a) recommended BIOS tweaks, and b) BIOS updates for this particular model. Don't really know if the OEM is known for this box, so don't know where to start the search...

You could've also continued to run OpenWrt on it if you wanted to.

Since the seller is Topton, the OEM is most likely CWWK.

 

[boardlord]

You could've also continued to run OpenWrt on it if you wanted to.

Since the seller is Topton, the OEM is most likely CWWK.

I wanted to move on to OPNSense to learn something new, run a system with robust development behind, and to have robust WAN failover (the developer of MWAN3 on OpenWRT hasn't been active for a long while).

I tried looking at CWWK models but haven't been able to pinpoint which it could be... So if anyone can point me to the proper model and it's BIOS repository, I'd appreciate it

 

[Mike9474593]

I tried looking at CWWK models but haven't been able to pinpoint which it could be... So if anyone can point me to the proper model and it's BIOS repository, I'd appreciate it

Is there something printed on the board or a sticker somewhere? CWWK boards start with CW-... (there may be exceptions I'm not aware of).

 

[boardlord]

Is there something printed on the board or a sticker somewhere? CWWK boards start with CW-... (there may be exceptions I'm not aware of).

Good shout! Quickly disassembled the unit and looked for identification on the board (took the opportunity and repasted the CPU as well - good thing I did, the OEM paste wasn't applied properly!).

The motherboard is a BK-1264NP-4L-45GXXXXXXXX, rev .1.4.

According to dmidecode, my BIOS version is:

        Vendor: American Megatrends International, LLC.
        Version: 5.27
        Release Date: 12/15/2024

Anything newer available, or I'm good?