CWWK/Topton/... Nxxx quad NIC router

[cperka]

with these n100 firewalls/routers, do the network ports also act as switch ports so can plug in few computers without the need for separate switch?

They can act like bridge but software one. You need to setup proxmox/pfsense/opnsense/openwrt.. to bridge them together.

 

[matt_garman]

I used a 12V 5.5x2.5mm DC 802.3at POE splitter (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09CYGW46K) to power the unit off of a Netgear MS108EUP 2.5 GbE POE switch. This worked great and the POE switch is able to monitor per-port power usage. I didn't try the no-name power adapter it came with. Even though the POE splitter is a "gigabit" splitter it still linked to the switch at 2.5 GbE.
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I monitored the power consumption via POE (using both the POE switch and a PoE Texas PoE Tester Gen2.5, which agreed to within half a watt or so) and the CPU core temperature under a few stress testing scenarios. Results were:

• Idle: 9 watts, 35°C
• One LAN port active, iperf3 2.3 Gb/s bidirectional: 12 watts, 42°C
• No network activity, "stress -c 1": 16 watts, 65°C
• No network activity, "stress -c 2": 21 watts
• No network activity, "stress -c 3": 21 watts
• No network activity, "stress -c 4": 22 watts, 74°C

Just curious if you're still running with this config? Specifically, are you still powering the n100 device with the POE splitter you mentioned? The listing says it's rated for 2A, which works out to 24 watts at 12v. Looks like with all four cores maxed out - and no network activity - you're at 22 watts. If one or more network ports were maxed out, it might exceed 24 watts. Not sure what happens in that case (though it claims overcurrent protection).

There's also this PoE splitter: PoE Texas 12 Volt PoE+ IEEE 802.3at Splitter for 12v 25w. It looks a little more substantial, but not sure if it's actually any better (safer).

Anyone else powering their n100 (or similar) devices via PoE (with some kind of splitter)? I've got a Brocade ICX6450-48P with way more PoE power budget than I'll never need.

 

[slybunda]

They can act like bridge but software one. You need to setup proxmox/pfsense/opnsense/openwrt.. to bridge them together.

any hit to performance with them bridged in software?

 

[slybunda]

Just got a cwwk n100. How do you set custom ram speed? It's running at default 4800 and id like to lower it

 

[slybunda]

some pics of the unit that arrived. cwwk n100 version C heatsink type
its got 8gig ram in it and no drive in it yet just booting from windows2go from usb for some testing.
cpuz benchmark scores 380ish single thread and 1275ish multi. bios settings are stock.
cpuz stress ran for 6 minutes and temps got to 72c.
i repasted it and then cpuz stress temps got to 53c.
cpuz stress shows 13w package power pull at peak mostly hovering around 12.7w as monitored in hwinfo.

then i ran prime95 sfft avx2 which pulled the highest power iv seen so far at 18.8w peak and average 18.3w,
temps got to 64c after running for 20 mins. then while it was still running i put that small hand fan on top and after some time temps dropped to around 50c. so issues running prime95 although i was doing quick testing and only ran it for 40 mins. i seriously doubt any sort of load by a router os will be as high as prime95.

i will play around some more with this over the coming days.

Also I'm not using the original power adapter that came with this. I had a liteon 12v 5.5a one with same size dc jack on it which I'm using.

 

[sic0048]

any hit to performance with them bridged in software?

Theoretically yes....

Will it be something you actually see and experience in real life usage (ie not network capacity testing)? Probably not.....

 

[slybunda]

Theoretically yes....

Will it be something you actually see and experience in real life usage (ie not network capacity testing)? Probably not.....

This is good to know, iv got 2 machines that could do with 2.5gb link between them and the rest of the network e.g WiFi access points, TV, etc are fine on 1gbit with runs through a 8 port 1gig switch at the moment.

 

[rukiri]

Has anyone gotten a hold of / tested the new versions with 10gbe sfp ports? Searching through the thread it seems that it's using a pci3x4 connection for the 82599es card? So max throughput on both would be a combined 16gbps max. I'm curious if anyone's been able to confirm that with real world tests.

 

[slybunda]

So had a look in the box of m.2 ssds I got and found the perfect one I will use. It's 64gb and rated at max power consumption of 0.9w so will be perfect for this application.
Will get cracking with some testing over this weekend

 

[slybunda]

Yea they're all junk. Don't know the internals but Topton one is the bottom bin of the junk. Even junk has some use. For light/low power & non-important aplication it is workable. At least handy as a backup unit. I'd probably reuse mine for powering miscellaneous stuff like outdoor LED strips.

btw: anyone buying a Meanwell ps be sure to source from reputable seller as there are fake ones sold.



synthetic vs conventional does your car drive 10% faster? No. But it means you can go longer before changing. Slightly better engine protection & cleaner. Does that matter to you? Depends. For a beater car I wouldn't mind conventional. Car I'm going to depend or keep long term I'd prefer better.

I prefer to put my own ssd/ram of choice in a barebone. Intend to leave this in the media panel or closet as long term networking usage. Longevity & reliablity is preferred. Plus I rather deal with name brand warranty like Crucial than somewhere in CN which if lucky gets 1yr worth. For SSD/RAM I actually prefer them to be slower. Why? Slower also tends to mean less heat. Fanless enclosed usage that matters more to me.

these boxes probably peak at 50w power consumption with tons of usb drives and fully loaded with internal ssd's etc so the stock psu which is 60w should be more than capable of handling the load which will typically be way less than 50w. i find it hard to believe the psu is that bad.
then again do you trust the 12v 5a rating on the stock psu? it could very well not put out that rated power. hmm im gonna need to bench test it and get a scope on it and see how it fairs.

 

[slybunda]

cwwk sent me here for bios update: AlderLake-N双网NAS_N100-I3-N305_2024-06-24更新 | 畅网官方网盘 (changwang.com)

seems to be a bios dated 24/06/2024 which is fairly recent. my mini pc is the v1 version of the 4 port n100 tall fin type C.
so far on stock bios dated early 2023 iv not had any issues so not sure if i should upgrade.

running windows server 2022 on this now, will set this up as a router and see how it goes.

 

[giacombum]

Sorry, I tried to search in the thread without success, is there anyone using n100/n305 for 2.5gb connection? Can you comment about CPU performance with and without VPN (Wireguard) and Zenarmor? My plan is to setup a router on bare metal, with adblocking and eventually Zenarmor, don't think I need Suricata...

Thanks in advance!

 

[slybunda]

Sorry, I tried to search in the thread without success, is there anyone using n100/n305 for 2.5gb connection? Can you comment about CPU performance with and without VPN (Wireguard) and Zenarmor? My plan is to setup a router on bare metal, with adblocking and eventually Zenarmor, don't think I need Suricata...

Thanks in advance!

wireguard on n100 will easily max out the 2.5gb port speed. iv seen a table somewhere that shows n100 can do 5gig wireguard speed.

 

[giacombum]

And what about Zenarmor?

 

[slybunda]

Plenty of people on Reddit saying they get 1gig with zenarmour
Only suricata seems to hit throughput harder

 

[giacombum]

So I won't get 2.5 with Zenarmor enabled

 

[slybunda]

So I won't get 2.5 with Zenarmor enabled

Iv not tested it yet since I don't have it all setup yet and I don't have a 2.5gb net connection although I could simulate it with a test system.
Those that iv seen use zenarmour have 1 gig internet connection and they say they max it out easy.

 

[Schmiddi]

I'll swap out the 32GB Kingston with the 48GB Crucial this evening. Hoping it will do flawlessly auto-detect without further BIOS settings, I dont have any screen near my n305 unit anymore

I just really need the extra amount of RAM, its running so good since month without a single downtime, managing remotly all time and adding more and more services to it

Edit: running good so far

 

[slybunda]

I'll swap out the 32GB Kingston with the 48GB Crucial this evening. Hoping it will do flawlessly auto-detect without further BIOS settings, I dont have any screen near my n305 unit anymore

I just really need the extra amount of RAM, its running so good since month without a single downtime, managing remotly all time and adding more and more services to it

Edit: running good so far

It detected the 48gb stick?

 

[Schmiddi]

Yes, without any problems so far.
I'll do live testing next days/weeks because the n305 runs everything in my house. Maybe I'll start memtest some time if nobody is home to be sure everything is fine.