CWWK i5-1235U 6 port i226 report

[netspeedy]

I think your problem will get worse with this one. Your 980 pro has a max power of 6.5W. This one's average active power is 8.4W. There's only so much you can do with a small heatsink and small fan in that small space.

Thank you, will get it without the heatsink and do what you suggest. Just need to source that heatsink and order the NVME (as need the space which will get lost due to no SSD).

Edit #1 Oh wait, more power draw, so more heat, but if I put a FAN in but with the new NVME would that be cool enough or still just stick with the 980 Pros but use the FAN?

Its a shame as I was trying to fit everything on one little box and it actually does that but just a but hot a lot of the time.

Its resonally busy right now but not as much as earlier as was restoring backups etc.

Its usually slighly cooler then this, CPU's usually around 35-36 usually but NVME's dont drop much lower then you see them right now.

 

[netspeedy]

I think your problem will get worse with this one. Your 980 pro has a max power of 6.5W. This one's average active power is 8.4W. There's only so much you can do with a small heatsink and small fan in that small space.

Just re-read what you said, applogies, 1AM here and slighly sleepy, sorry.

I will grab another 2TB 980 Pro and replace the 1TB and drop the SSD for the FAN, or I am sure the nvme's will die sooner then later and I dont want that.

Just need to find that heatsink, will do some research/hunting in the morning as somewhere must have one.

Thanks for your advise, will get that sorted over next few days.

Edit #1

I have moved it this morning out of the cabinet as I read its not good to stick in like TV cabinets if they are fanless. I also have dropped the SSD and the FAN is now installed. Its for sure better but not as low as I think it should be. So I think I still need to find that heatsink or some other suitable one thats in stock.

Ambiant room temp is about 24 degress.


Edit #2

What I don't get is the temps via smart are somewhat different.

What I am not getting is, the temp there says 66, but the sensor 2 is quite a bit hotter. Which should I pay attention to? the hottest one or the other?


Edit #3

Had to do some cloning of an large ish VM on the drive, even with the FAN in and location changed, I am seeing..



Its not risen any higher but that sensor 2 is worrying.

Edit #4
Well after much testing, ive found something suitable.

This is lowest I can get it with the parts I have. What ive had to do is take out the second NVME, it wasnt really being used right now anyways and also changed the orinitaion of the fan, I believe I had it the wrong way, now its better.

I am impressed with wattage, its bouncing a bit from 17w, thats not too bad at all with stock BIOS. Think ile be ordering another and then get another nvme for it to make up for the loss of storage. This I think is probbaly my best solution if I don't want to fry things.

I believe theres still room for improvment, I just need to source that heatsink which I still cant locate in the UK, only the smaller one is avaliable. I will keep looking.

 

[kylehase]

note that whatever voltage you put into the box from the outside (19V-12V), it will be clamped internally by an input regulator to 12V.

Is it documented somewhere that this board supports 12V-19V input? I have a spare 19V power supply I might be able to repurpose.

 

[netspeedy]

Is it documented somewhere that this board supports 12V-19V input? I have a spare 19V power supply I might be able to repurpose.

The only infomation ive seen about it is on...

AliExpress

If you scroll down to the pics, you can see they mention it under power supply and ATX connector so I dont think they are refering to the external power brick.

I have seen some other mini fanless machines which did specificly say they take 12-19, but ive not tested myself.

 

[mist]

Is it documented somewhere that this board supports 12V-19V input? I have a spare 19V power supply I might be able to repurpose.

Since I have a few old laptop power sources around, I asked CWWK chat on their website and they said 19V is fine. However, I decided to use their power source. It's just slightly warm. I don't think there is any evidence that this power source is not good?

 

[netspeedy]

Since I have a few old laptop power sources around, I asked CWWK chat on their website and they said 19V is fine. However, I decided to use their power source. It's just slightly warm. I don't think there is any evidence that this power source is not good?

I believe some people like fta had some issues when the system was being used heavily, the system was crashing if I recall and was tracked down to the PSU. Replaced the PSU and the problems went away.

I am currently using the one supplied by CWWK and mines also warm, however @fta recomened this one or the one i've had to order is this one as the first is out of stock. FFA mentioned that either will work fine, just the later is slighly more expensive.

I am still waiting on mine though. I seem to get very unlucky lately with deliveries. I believe its coming from probbaly US. Will chase up next week.

 

[mickee]

I've had some time to test out my unit that arrived a couple of days ago, mine arrived with a 1240P as promised by CWWK

One thing that i find weird is that P cores doesn't seem to boost above 3.4GHz and E cores doesn't seem to boost above 2.9GHz when running s-tui.
Even if i'm only stressing one core with s-tui...

cpu MHz         : 3400.000
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cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2900.001
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2900.000
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2900.000

I'm running the HWP-on BIOS and freshly installed Ubuntu Server 22.04 with the settings in this post and the following edits because i have the 1240P (As suggested by MichaelW in this post):

AC Loadline = 180
TDC Current Limit = 680 (ICCMax for the i5-1240P is a bit higher at 85A)
TCC Activation Offset = 15
TCC Offset Time Window = 3 Sec
PL1 = 64000000
PL1_TAU = 28000000
PL2 = 64000000

@Conjurer did you have to do anything special to get yours to boost to 4.4GHz?

 

[kylehase]

Has anyone tried to power this by USB PD? STH confirmed PD power on the AMD Ryzen Firewall Router but didn't try it on this unit. I'll give it a go when mine arrives in a few days, but I'm curious if anyone has already tried.

 

[Conjurer]

I've had some time to test out my unit that arrived a couple of days ago, mine arrived with a 1240P as promised by CWWK

One thing that i find weird is that P cores doesn't seem to boost above 3.4GHz and E cores doesn't seem to boost above 2.9GHz when running s-tui.
Even if i'm only stressing one core with s-tui...

cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3399.998
cpu MHz         : 3399.998
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2900.001
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2900.000
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2900.000

I'm running the HWP-on BIOS and freshly installed Ubuntu Server 22.04 with the settings in this post and the following edits because i have the 1240P (As suggested by MichaelW in this post):

AC Loadline = 180
TDC Current Limit = 680 (ICCMax for the i5-1240P is a bit higher at 85A)
TCC Activation Offset = 15
TCC Offset Time Window = 3 Sec
PL1 = 64000000
PL1_TAU = 28000000
PL2 = 64000000

@Conjurer did you have to do anything special to get yours to boost to 4.4GHz?

Your Intel i5-1240P should indeed be able to boost to 4.4GHz. Your actions look OK to me.
Did you see any thermal throttling? In summary, I did these steps:

• Repaste the heatsink
• Tighten screws for better contact on the heatsink
• Installed a heatsink on top of the SSD (that will not make any difference in your case)
• Installed a 140mm fan on top of the case (the unit also has the 10mm fan on the inside)
• Installed fta's "HWP On" BIOS
• Used the settings mentioned by fway

With above steps thermal throttling is greatly reduced, allowing the unit to reach higher frequencies. Benchmarked using Ubuntu 23.04. I did see some minor differences when choosing different power profiles. But I guess that won't make any desired difference.

 

[beisser]

I've had some time to test out my unit that arrived a couple of days ago, mine arrived with a 1240P as promised by CWWK

One thing that i find weird is that P cores doesn't seem to boost above 3.4GHz and E cores doesn't seem to boost above 2.9GHz when running s-tui.
Even if i'm only stressing one core with s-tui...

cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3399.998
cpu MHz         : 3399.998
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 3400.000
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2900.001
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2900.000
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2899.998
cpu MHz         : 2900.000

I'm running the HWP-on BIOS and freshly installed Ubuntu Server 22.04 with the settings in this post and the following edits because i have the 1240P (As suggested by MichaelW in this post):

AC Loadline = 180
TDC Current Limit = 680 (ICCMax for the i5-1240P is a bit higher at 85A)
TCC Activation Offset = 15
TCC Offset Time Window = 3 Sec
PL1 = 64000000
PL1_TAU = 28000000
PL2 = 64000000

@Conjurer did you have to do anything special to get yours to boost to 4.4GHz?

what temperatures are you seing in s-tui while you are running the test? if you get anywhere near the set temperature limit it will throttle.

 

[Zer0_C00L]

Also as two small updates.

1) on the video: You can actually just install Proxmox 7.4 the only issue is that the display output will migrate from HDMI on early boot to type-c port - so if you have the means of connecting to it - it'll be easy, then just new kernel and all good after that.
2) On the IOMMU and well.. either proxmox or the box or the NIC. If you go for regular reboot - the 10G NIC connected to root port 1 (unknown brand M.2 sized AQC107) wont show up in the OS at all after a reboot. But if you power cycle (my unit does not actually shut down.. it immediately boots back up for whatever reason, was to lazy to figure that out, since arguably that's desirable behavior for such a device) all will be well.

Perhaps I missed it, any updates on the networking speed and overall performance, thoughts on this vs an M.2 to PCIe adaptor and using something like a standard dual 10 GbE card?

 

[mickee]

Your Intel i5-1240P should indeed be able to boost to 4.4GHz. Your actions look OK to me.
Did you see any thermal throttling? In summary, I did these steps:

• Repaste the heatsink
• Tighten screws for better contact on the heatstink
• Installed a heatsink on top of the SSD (that will not make any difference in your case)
• Installed a 140mm fan on top of the case (the unit also has the 10mm fan on the inside)
• Installed fta's "HWP On" BIOS
• Used the settings mentioned by fway

With above steps thermal throttling is greatly reduced, allowing the unit to reach higher frequencies. Benchmarked using Ubuntu 23.04. I did see some minor differences when choosing different power profiles. But I guess that won't make any desired difference.

Thank you Conjurer.
I also repasted between the copper heatsink and the cpu, not between the copper and the aluminium though, and made sure to tighten the screws appropriately.
I'm waiting on a 140mm fan to put on top but i'm not really seeing any signs of thermal throttling, core temps are below 60 for a while i'm not seeing any thermal throttling until at least 7-10 minutes in.

I'll try to tweak AC Loadline, TDC Current Limit and PL1/2 and see if that makes a difference.

 

[mimizone]

Anybody using this box reliably in production 24/7 with proxmox+OPNSense as a small enterprise setup?

I have a N5105 Proxmox/OPNsense setup I've been using for a year without too many issues but temperature at times.
I want to upgrade OPNSense to High Availability and take that opportunity to try some updated hardware.

this thread has a lot of info, and glancing over it, it seems like I may adventure with this box into some R&D more than a stable system.

Am I misreading?

 

[mist]

Just a quick note on the opnsense optimization in this thread. I upgraded opnsense today and both internet interfaces were showing a down state even though my internet was working. I reverted back optimization and opnsense is back to normal. Not sure if it's just me.

 

[diegoweb]

Did any of you guys got the BAREBONE version of this PC and ordered the memories from another store in AliExpress?
I'm trying to find good ones that will work right off the bat. I'm from Brazil so my only source of cheap PC components is AliExpress.
I'm planning to use a Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 1 TB, can someone confirm this mini pc is compatible with this ssd? I have heard this mini pc is quite incompatible with a lots of parts, so I just wanna make sure I'm investing the money in the right stuff.

Thanks guys

 

[Thoran]

CWWK i5-1235U barebone with 10mm fan here, 2x Crucial RAM 32GB DDR4 3200MHz CL22 CT32G4SFD832A, Samsung 970 EVO Plus MZ-V7S2T0BW 2 TB, running smoothly so far with fta's "HwP On" BIOS and fway's performance settings in BIOS. A Noctua NF-A14 5V PWM 4-Pin 5V and a Ranuw copper heatsink 2mm for M.2 (Amazon, unfortunately) are on the way.
I will only post benchmarks if the system deviates significantly from those already published, which I don't expect.

To answer your question, @diegoweb, the Samsung 970 EVO should work also since it is the same series. I have yet to come across a system where the EVOs don't work. If that were the case, I would tend to doubt it's functionality in general. (I'm running around 20 of them in 250 GB and 2 TB sizes.)

 

[slidermike]

Did any of you guys got the BAREBONE version of this PC and ordered the memories from another store in AliExpress?
I'm trying to find good ones that will work right off the bat. I'm from Brazil so my only source of cheap PC components is AliExpress.
I'm planning to use a Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 1 TB, can someone confirm this mini pc is compatible with this ssd? I have heard this mini pc is quite incompatible with a lots of parts, so I just wanna make sure I'm investing the money in the right stuff.

Thanks guys

The only item the device can be finiky about is ram. There is no nvme compatibility issue.

 

[diegoweb]

A Noctua NF-A14 5V PWM 4-Pin 5V and a Ranuw copper heatsink 2mm for M.2 (Amazon, unfortunately) are on the way.

How are you going to make it fit? I thought the internnal fan should have a maximum of 10mm of thickness. Are you planning to mount it outside the case, in the side of the case fins?

To answer your question, @diegoweb, the Samsung 970 EVO should work also since it is the same series. I have yet to come across a system where the EVOs don't work. If that were the case, I would tend to doubt it's functionality in general (I'm running around 20 of them in 250 and 2 TB sizes).

Nice, thanks!

The only item the device can be finiky about is ram. There is no nvme compatibility issue.

Oh! So I'll order some Crucial from AliExpress, since is the one I've seen the most being commented about in this thread.

 

[mxkied2]

How are you going to make it fit? I thought the internnal fan should have a maximum of 10mm of thickness. Are you planning to mount it outside the case, in the side of the case fins?

The fan goes on top of the unit, not inside where the 10mm thick fan would go.

 

[diegoweb]

The fan goes on top of the unit, not inside where the 10mm thick fan would go.

But is there any brackets to help you install the fan? Or are you going to jerry rig some nylon straps to hold the fan?
And how will you power the fan? USB? Will you have PWM?