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fohdeesha

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How loud are the icx 7450 switches? The data sheet says 46db for the non-PoE and 49db for the PoE model. A Catalyst 3750E is 45db and my current FlexFabric 5800 is 42db. is it really going to be a negligible difference compared to a Catalyst 3750E, or are the data sheets not reflective of reality? Also can the fans be modded on the icx 7450?
why do you want a 7450? same sound level as the 6610 with half the highspeed ports and twice as expensive
 

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I think the 7450 has a place still, albeit at a slightly higher price point than the 6 series.
The 7450 I use provides
- 8 * 2.5gbps uplinks for wifi access points
- 12 * 10gbps ports (8 copper, 4 optical through 3 easily swappable modules)
The native 10gig copper ports are more reliable than using SFP+ > RJ45 converters.
 

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I think the 7450 has a place still, albeit at a slightly higher price point than the 6 series.
The 7450 I use provides
- 8 * 2.5gbps uplinks for wifi access points
- 12 * 10gbps ports (8 copper, 4 optical through 3 easily swappable modules)
The native 10gig copper ports are more reliable than using SFP+ > RJ45 converters.
you got quite lucky, the only 7450 model that has 2.5gbE ports is the ICX7450-32ZP, and I think I've seen a single one of these for sale on ebay in the ~year or two I've been looking
 

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why do you want a 7450? same sound level as the 6610 with half the highspeed ports and twice as expensive
The 6610 uses more power at 120 watts for the 6610-24P compared to 75 watts for the 7450-24P. Thats why i was looking at it.
 

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the datasheets are worst case, both sound levels and watts. a 24 port 6610 with a few 1gbe and 10gbe ports active registers ~82w on a wattnode. I've never seen them pull anywhere near that, especially the 165 watts for the 48 port lmao
 

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A note for those who are concerned about sound: Do NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES get yourself intake-model fans/power supplies. If it's an ICX6610-24-I, keep shopping for a -24-E. The fans (both the fan modules and the PSU fans) run significantly faster, and therefore louder, for the intake models.
 
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No picture but I can confirm my ICX6610-24 runs about 80watts according to my killawatt meter once it is fully booted and the fans spin down from "takeoff speed".
 
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At 171 pages I've had to skim some of this thread, so I apologize if this is covered.

Going way back to the first page it talks about flashing MCX354A-QCBT to -FCBT. That was like two years ago.

Right now I can get pre-flashed -FCBT on ebay for under $30.

HP 544QSFP MCX354A-FCBT 649281-B21 656089-001 VPI FDR 40GbE Mellanox OEMFirmware | eBay

My plan is to buy a 6610-48P and hook it to the pfsense/opnsense router I'm building using one of these cards.

My google skills are weak and what I can find is contradictory. Can anyone verify whether or not these work under freebsd/pfsense/opnsense?

And more relevant to this thread, assuming I have drivers, just one of those cards, a short QSFP+ DAC and the back of the 6610 and I'm good?

It seems too good to be true :)
 

camper8080

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I run the Sunon KDE1204PKV3-MS ones, I have all 3 in there, and I live in Dubai. It survived last summer where the ambient 100+ F room temp was no problem at all for the switch..
I purchased (3) Sunon KDE1204PKV3-MS fans but the 3-pin connector is smaller than the original Foxconn PIA040H12P fans and does not fit. Do I need to modify the new fans or buy a different model?
 

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At 171 pages I've had to skim some of this thread, so I apologize if this is covered.

Going way back to the first page it talks about flashing MCX354A-QCBT to -FCBT. That was like two years ago.

Right now I can get pre-flashed -FCBT on ebay for under $30.

HP 544QSFP MCX354A-FCBT 649281-B21 656089-001 VPI FDR 40GbE Mellanox OEMFirmware | eBay

My plan is to buy a 6610-48P and hook it to the pfsense/opnsense router I'm building using one of these cards.

My google skills are weak and what I can find is contradictory. Can anyone verify whether or not these work under freebsd/pfsense/opnsense?

And more relevant to this thread, assuming I have drivers, just one of those cards, a short QSFP+ DAC and the back of the 6610 and I'm good?

It seems too good to be true :)
yeah those cards work fine in all of those and yes you just need to install them and connect them with a DAC. you'll still want to follow the crossflashing post even if they come pre-crossflashed, as the eeprom configuring stuff (deleting bootrom, forcing link type to ethernet only) prevents a lot of annoying issues in the future. second half of this in an ubuntu livecd or similar https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...net-dual-port-qsfp-adapter.20525/#post-198015
 

EK701

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ICX6450-C12-PD POE question:

If the switch is powered by POE+, can it also provide POE power to a device or two? It’s not clear from any of the documentation I could find.

Thanks!
 

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ICX6450-C12-PD POE question:

If the switch is powered by POE+, can it also provide POE power to a device or two? It’s not clear from any of the documentation I could find.

Thanks!
I don't know for sure in the case of the 6450-C12-PD, but from a technical standpoint, yes it's possible. I've got a little Netgear GS105PE running on PoE power from my 6450-24P, and it's feeding power to a UAP-AC-Lite without issue. It's obviously very limited in the amount of PoE it can pass out, but there are units that do it.
 

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I purchased (3) Sunon KDE1204PKV3-MS fans but the 3-pin connector is smaller than the original Foxconn PIA040H12P fans and does not fit. Do I need to modify the new fans or buy a different model?
You need to replace the 3-pin connector (either cut it off of the original fans or build new ones).

I just cut the cables on the new fans and built a new molex plug (using 1 x MOLEX 22013037 crimp housing and 3 x MOLEX 8500032 molex connectors). You don't have to use the MOLEX parts, just use them as a reference for what you need to create a new plug
 

OptimusPrime

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Got the console cable today. 6450 is up and running. I'm currently running a very basic config, not sure what all I need or want to do.
Big thanks for the guide way back on page one!!
@AiC ease could you tell me which console cable you are using for the 6450? The one I purchased installs fine, but I still cannot get access via the console port.
 

Wolfstar

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@AiC ease could you tell me which console cable you are using for the 6450? The one I purchased installs fine, but I still cannot get access via the console port.
The ICX6450 takes a standard Cisco RJ45 console cable. If you're not getting output, you probably either have a dead serial port or need to wait another 5 minutes - you should get SOMETHING.