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Brocade ICX Series (cheap & powerful 10gbE/40gbE switching)

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heromode

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Does anyone know if a 2.5Ggbe SFP+ to RJ45 adapter will work in the ICX6450?
@zanechua It seems that the modules with the real Aquantia chipset have special capabilities for allowing the intermediate speeds of NBase-T on switches like the Brocade ICX that do not clock at those intermediate speeds. See https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...t-marvell-88x3300-v-s-aquantia-aqs-107.30004/ for a more thorough explanation. Also https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/mix-10g-2-5g-slow-speed-high-retr.33217/.

Using your HiFiber tranceiver, do you get full 2.xGbps throughput in BOTH directions between a 10Gbe endpoint and a 2.5Gbe endpoint?
@PANiCnz i don't know the answer to your question, but the post above should give you some idea..

edit i remember from the thread that any standard 2.5Gbe will NOT work, it needs to be some special transceiver that presents itself as a 10gbit to the switch, and does the speed conversion internally.

The ICX6450 itself does NOT support 2.5gbe.
 
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tdk

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Hi,

Just made it through 379 pages... skimming most of it...
Thank you @fohdeesha for your generosity.

As a result I got some 6610, 6450s. I am looking forward to playing with them.

Has anyone mounted the 6610 sideways? Because of space constraint, the rack and patch panel will not accommodate the 6610-48 (I can do 6450-24 x 2.. but would prefer 6610-48 x 1). I can mount it sideways in something like this:


Yes, no?

Thank you.
 

donedeal19

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@PANiCnz I have an 7250-48p, but I have an qsfptek sfp+ for ubiquiti. Usb type c to 2.5gbe from pc to sfp+ shows up connected.
Also shows up on the 7150-c12p as a quick test. Not sure on how the performances just plug and play.
 

bluez

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I was eyeing the ICX6610-48P-E for home setup. I have a few 10GbE capable devices and this port has PoE+ so it fits the bill well. However, I need help to understand how to use the QSFP+ ports to add 10GbE RJ45 copper? I am a newbie and a bit lost here.
 

SlothCroissant

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Hey folks, long time lurker, first time poster. I've scanned through this thread and have gotten mixed results (some people saying their 6610s ramp the fans to a million RPM all the time, others who never see north of 40C), and I think I just need to ask flat out:

Got an ICX6610 that I've been running for a few months now, and most of my learning has been from this thread (came from a Cisco C3750X-48P to a ICX6610-48P). Quick question - what do people see as far as temps are concerned with these? Mine seems to sit at 75C in a room that is around 72F-74F, and I can't figure out why it's so hot. I've heard it runs a bit spicy, but I didn't think it lived at its fan speed switching point.

Code:
SSH@ff-icr01.lan>sh chassis
The stack unit 1 chassis info:

Power supply 1 (AC - PoE) present, status ok
     Model Number:    23-0000142-02
    Serial Number:    DPZ
    Firmware Ver:      B
Power supply 1 Fan Air Flow Direction:  Front to Back
Power supply 2 (AC - PoE) present, status ok
     Model Number:    23-0000142-02
    Serial Number:    F3N
    Firmware Ver:      B
Power supply 2 Fan Air Flow Direction:  Front to Back

Fan 1 ok, speed (auto): [[1]]<->2
Fan 2 ok, speed (auto): [[1]]<->2

Fan controlled temperature: 72.0 deg-C

Fan speed switching temperature thresholds:
        Speed 1: NM<----->76       deg-C
        Speed 2:       71<-----> 80 deg-C (shutdown)

Fan 1 Air Flow Direction:  Front to Back
Fan 2 Air Flow Direction:  Front to Back
MAC 1 Temperature Readings:
    Current temperature : 53.5 deg-C
MAC 2 Temperature Readings:
    Current temperature : 63.5 deg-C
CPU Temperature Readings:
    Current temperature : 72.0 deg-C
sensor A Temperature Readings:
    Current temperature : 53.0 deg-C
sensor B Temperature Readings:
    Current temperature : 58.5 deg-C
sensor C Temperature Readings:
    Current temperature : 43.5 deg-C
stacking card Temperature Readings:
    Current temperature : 51.5 deg-C
    Warning level.......: 77.0 deg-C
    Shutdown level......: 80.0 deg-C

My PSUs are both Rev A, if that helps. I'm also using a handful (8, I think offhand?) PoE powered devices.

Would it be worthwhile to rip the thing apart and put a new thermal pad on the CPU? I've looked, and the switch is spotless inside (I originally suspected dust, etc).

See below for my temps over the last 24h (ignore the bit where my Zabbix instance was down for maintenance). You can clearly see it bouncing between fan speed 1 and speed 2:

Screen Shot 2022-09-04 at 23.49.56.png

Thoughts?

EDIT: Just glanced, my R720XD two rack-Us away from this switch sits at 21C.
 
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NablaSquaredG

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Are there different revs of the ICX6450-24P?

Mine uses 35W in IDLE, @fohdeesha says 25W and another guy from a German forum says his one needs 20W in IDLE?
 

jasonwc

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Are there different revs of the ICX6450-24P?

Mine uses 35W in IDLE, @fohdeesha says 25W and another guy from a German forum says his one needs 20W in IDLE?
When you say idle, is that with no devices connected? Every attached copper port will use power even if the devices are idle, and all active transceivers will require power. These switches don’t have energy efficient Ethernet so they provide enough power for the full 100M reach over copper even if you have short runs.
 

NablaSquaredG

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When you say idle, is that with no devices connected? Every attached copper port will use power even if the devices are idle, and all active transceivers will require power. These switches don’t have energy efficient Ethernet so they provide enough power for the full 100M reach over copper even if you have short runs.
No cables attached, not even console. The other guy says that he gets 26W with 14 active RJ45 and 2 active SFP+ connections (but nearly no traffic)

Switchboard says Rev:03 GP (printed on the PCB)

Anyone else with a 6450 want to check their rev?
 
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jasonwc

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No cables attached, not even console. The other guy says that he gets 26W with 14 active RJ45 and 2 active SFP+ connections (but nearly no traffic)

Switchboard says Rev:03 GP (printed on the PCB)

Anyone else with a 6450 want to check their rev?
There may be a difference in power consumption between the non-PoE and PoE models simply because power supplies tend to be very inefficient under 10% utilization. The 6450-24 has a 65W rating. The 6450-48 has a 100W rating. The 6450-24p is rare at 525W. The 6450-48p is rated at 880W. I would assume the PoE models would idle at a higher power consumption due to PSU inefficiency.

The spec sheets also seem to indicate there may be a difference running at 120V or 240V.

I have an ICX6450-48p currently not in use. I can plug it in to Kill-A-Watt to check the consumption on 120V. My ICX6610-48p is connected to my 240V UPS.
 

beren

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I was eyeing the ICX6610-48P-E for home setup. I have a few 10GbE capable devices and this port has PoE+ so it fits the bill well. However, I need help to understand how to use the QSFP+ ports to add 10GbE RJ45 copper? I am a newbie and a bit lost here.
You can't afaik. 2 of the ports you can get breakout cables for DAC or fiber, the other 2 are 40G only. The front ports you could add 10GBase-T if you really wanted to, but it's the worst 10G interface for cost and power use.
 
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bluez

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You can't afaik. 2 of the ports you can get breakout cables for DAC or fiber, the other 2 are 40G only. The front ports you could add 10GBase-T if you really wanted to, but it's the worst 10G interface for cost and power use.
The first page of this thread that has the 6610's features, it says the following -

16x 10gbE (8x SFP+ in the front, 8x via 2 QSFP+ breakout ports on the rear)
This gave me the impression that the switch supports 16x 10GbE connections, 8 of which will come out of the 2 QSFP+ breakout ports. What am I missing?
 

LemonheadST

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The first page of this thread that has the 6610's features, it says the following -



This gave me the impression that the switch supports 16x 10GbE connections, 8 of which will come out of the 2 QSFP+ breakout ports. What am I missing?
The two QSFP+ ports require a breakout cable to get 4 male SFP+ connectors per port. AFAIK breakout cables to RJ45 connectors do not exist.
 
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LemonheadST

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The two QSFP+ ports require a breakout cable to get 4 male SFP+ connectors per port. AFAIK breakout cables to RJ45 connectors do not exist.
Actually there is a rather mysterious cable from Dell that *claims* to do what you want:

But for the price of 1312.99 Euro I don't think anyone here has bought it to see if it works.

Edit: just noticed that's not even 10GbE - it maxes at 1Gb :(