EU ASRock Rack B450D4U-V1LQ5 mATX AM4

[chlastakov]

Yeah, I get that. Even if you only had to pay 10 EUR more for it to get 2 Times the Performance it would be worth it .

Be mindful about the PCIe Slot Limitation though. The PCIe 3.0 x8 is only PCIe 3.0 x4 Electrical, so approx (theoretical) 4GB/s or 32gbps.

So you'd need to use the x16 for that if you want full Speed. But then you cannot install NVME and PCIe x4x4x4x4 Bifurcation ...

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Good to know, thank you

 

[Cruzader]

What is this beast?

Its this 8U case from innovision, its a "blade style" approach with 10 vertical rack cases in the outer 8U shell.
Still direct access to all from the rear like a normal case.

While its a bit steep of a pricetag its cheaper than 10x 1U cases.

You want to mount these ASRock Boards and AMD 5700X as "Blades" ?

That's expensive ...

I COMPLETELY blew my Budget for this Month. And of course you can be sure there will be lots of good Deals this Week I will not be able to purchase . I got another 6 x 16GB RAM DIMMs on a Sale though.

I tend to blow my budget every month, but i try to keep selling off toys as i get new ones.

I either need to go compact like those or just dedicate a rack to the ryzen nodes.
Then it would be drawing up a custom 3U case for that mobo to 3d print, to get full card height and more strength on the front ears.

 

[luckylinux]

Its this 8U case from innovision, its a "blade style" approach with 10 vertical rack cases in the outer 8U shell.
Still direct access to all from the rear like a normal case.

While its a bit steep of a pricetag its cheaper than 10x 1U cases.

I got a few Supermicro CSE-512 for around 80 EUR each, with a X11SSL-F or X11SSM-F Motherboard, 200W PSU and Intel Xeon E3-1230 v5 ...

I tend to blow my budget every month, but i try to keep selling off toys as i get new ones.

I feel I don't have enough Time for that.

I could sell off some AM3 Motherboard+CPU+RAM Combos that I didn't even turn on for the past 4 years or so. Or also the Supermicro X10SLL-F and similar of that Generation. Or heck even the X9DRi and similar Xeon E5 v2 which now I plan to use as Desktop otherwise.

Problem is Time ... As well as Dealing with unreliable People not showing up etc.

I either need to go compact like those or just dedicate a rack to the ryzen nodes.
Then it would be drawing up a custom 3U case for that mobo to 3d print, to get full card height and more strength on the front ears.

I'm curious as to how you can use both PCIe Slots in such a Scenario (or a 1U Chassis for that Matter).
The x16 Slot there is probably just a 90° Adapter, but the x8 Slot you would need to "Displace" it by say 12 cm and do a 90° there as well, wouldn't you ?

So far, despite its Issues, and NOT being rack-mounted (need a Shelf), the Silverstone ML03 has been my favourite platform for this Type of (relatively) small Factor Builds. It's slightly more than 2U though.

 

[Cruzader]

I feel I don't have enough Time for that.

I could sell off some AM3 Motherboard+CPU+RAM Combos that I didn't even turn on for the past 4 years or so. Or also the Supermicro X10SLL-F and similar of that Generation. Or heck even the X9DRi and similar Xeon E5 v2 which now I plan to use as Desktop otherwise.

Problem is Time ... As well as Dealing with unreliable People not showing up etc.

This one positive side of living in the middle of nowhere, nobody wants to pick up stuff and its always shipping it.

Sold for about 120 000-130 000 NOK sofar this year.
I dont really have the time for listing it all either so mainly just been listing servers, but my goal is to put 2 non-server listings per week like NICs, DACs etc to clear some stuff out.

 

[luckylinux]

This one positive side of living in the middle of nowhere, nobody wants to pick up stuff and its always shipping it.

Yeah positive ... I'm also kind of in the middle of nowhere but then you also need to Pack it and almost daily trips to the Parcel Store to ship them out .

I used to do that a few Years ago but between the Time to take Pictures, write a Listing for it, put it on whatever platform is available locally to you (I used DBA, but could also be Facebook Marketplace), Test Stuff, Package Stuff, deal with Customers that either don't show up or change their Mind, plus all the Negotiations etc, it's usually very Tiring. Especially if you are dealing with just relatively cheap Motherboards/NICs you can easily lose more than a Couple Hours for each Item and *maybe* get 20 EUR or so back ...

 

[b3rrytech]

This one positive side of living in the middle of nowhere, nobody wants to pick up stuff and its always shipping it.

Sold for about 120 000-130 000 NOK sofar this year.
I dont really have the time for listing it all either so mainly just been listing servers, but my goal is to put 2 non-server listings per week like NICs, DACs etc to clear some stuff out.

Sounds like I need to find your marketplace (to add "needed" gear to my homelab).. Do you mostly list on Finn or somewhere else?

 

[azee]

I purchased couple of these boards as well (waiting for processor and RAM to arrive) and as mention earlier they are most likely from Hetzner, to confirm if they had any problem i saw a discussion at lowendtalk, where one user said, B450D4U-V1L is not impacted



while another user mention board manufactured between Q1 and Q3 2024 are impacted.



Now i am not sure which boards i received, or where i can check the manufacture week.

edited: While in another post it was mention its only ASRock Rack B650 produced between Q1 and Q3 2024 with pre H4 serial numbers. Ubicloud wrote a detail article on Hetzner motherboard failure


* Credit to all original authors

 

[gb00s]

I purchased couple of these boards as well (waiting for processor and RAM to arrive) and as mention earlier they are most likely from Hetzner, to confirm if they had any problem i saw a discussion at lowendtalk, where one user said, B450D4U-V1L is not impacted ....

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Now i am not sure which boards i received, or where i can check the manufacture week.

edited: While in another post it was mention its only ASRock Rack B650 produced between Q1 and Q3 2024 with pre H4 serial numbers. Ubicloud wrote a detail article on Hetzner motherboard failure


* Credit to all original authors

These boards are too old to be the cause of any issues Hetzner has with AX42, AX52 and AX102. So how can they have any impact? There was no production of B450D4U boards in 2024 anymore. This guy 'fiberstate' is for sure not a Hetzner employee .... And Ubicloud wrote about AX162, that has nothing to do with the big Hetzner issue. Internet is funny.

Link: Hetzner Announcement

If you want to know which motherboards are causing the Hetzner issues, just rent them all and collect infos with 'lshw'.

@Patrick ... why can someone who quotes another post change the link and use this 'feature' to link someone to another targeted malicious address? Is this a feature, a bug or ....

 

[luckylinux]

why can someone who quotes another post change the link and use this 'feature' to link someone to another targeted malicious address? Is this a feature, a bug or ....

What do you mean exactly ? Just curious. And yeah, everybody can modify any Part of any Quote of Anything/Anyone (not only limited to URLs).

EDIT 1: and @gb00s, who/when/where changed the Link to a Malicious Address ? I don't see this having happened here, or ?

 

[luckylinux]

It's really the Damn REAR USB Ports.

Got a bit of Time to test with a USB3 Header -> 2 x USB3 Type A Ports Adapter where I could connect my Keyboard + USB Flashdrive (with LiveUbuntu). Worked on the first attempt. After losing an entire Weekend 1 Week ago trying to make the rear Ports work ....

EDIT 1: if only this Forum would fix their Usual "Oops! We ran into some problems." I would also be able to upload some Pictures . This is really getting on my Nerves now. First I need to RESIZE Pictures because they are not accepted as it is. On top of that, even when resized, they are not accepted anyways. HTTP Error 500 - Internal Server Error.

EDIT 2: Embedding from imgur, since it won't work at all here

http://imgur.com/CNMQgIi

http://imgur.com/ysuc25q

http://imgur.com/1BZtWoX

http://imgur.com/2nflEZ7

 

[RolloZ170]

if only this Forum would fix their Usual "Oops! We ran into some problems." I would also be able to upload some Pictures

may 999kb, try easy formats like jpg, some picture upload sources are blocked

 

[luckylinux]

It seems there are three ROM-s available for ASPEED:

• VBIOS
• UEFI
• VBIOS+UEFI

Maybe we just need to flash the combined VBIOS+UEFI ROM to ASPEED and then VGA will also work pre-os in legacy BIOS mode.
You can flash in EFI console.

Download link:

https://www.aspeedtech.com/tw/support_driver/

Is there a Way to flash from Linux or can it only be done from EFI Shell ?

EDIT 1: And which File do you think we should flash ? Is it uefi_2500.rom or uefi_2500_r4.rom ?

The README Mentions

;===============================================================================
; ASPEED Graphics VBIOS + UEFI Driver ReadMe
;===============================================================================
1.Overview:
- ASPEED Graphics VBIOS + UEFI GOP Driver (Expansion ROM format)

2.UEFI Driver Release Architecture:
- X64 : X64 Merge Binary with signed

3.UEFI Driver Release Image Description:
- uefi_2500.rom: AST2500/2510/2530, MCLK=800Mhz
- uefi_2500_r4.rom: AST2500/2510/2530 + Reserve 4MB Buffer, MCLK=800Mhz
- uefi_2600.rom: AST2600 + ASTDP + D-sub, MCLK=800Mhz
- uefi_2600_r4.rom: AST2600 + ASTDP + D-sub + Reserve 4MB Buffer, MCLK=800Mhz
- uefi_2600_vga.rom: AST2600 + D-sub , MCLK=800Mhz

4.Contact Window:
- aspeed_vga_support@aspeedtech.com

What the Hell is "+ Reserve 4MB Buffer" ? Do we need this extra Buffer (thus use uefi_2500_r4.rom) or should we use the other one (uefi_2500.rom) ?

 

[ALinden]

Got my boards delivered yesterday. Here is what I have found out so far:

5500 (Cezanne, so APU with disabled GPU and no ECC) - boots, rear USB not working.

With BIOS default settings:
- CSM = enabled
- Launch Video OpROM Policy = Legacy Only
No video from onboard VGA pre-OS, but system POSTs and tries to boot. So if you boot linux it will initialize the onboard AST graphics and you get picture.

If I plug in pcie graphics card and change Launch Video OpROM Policy to UEFI only or disable CSM, then onboard VGA will work pre-OS, however then it would POST only when I removed my pcie graphics card.

I tried the ASPEED VROM flash utility for EFI shell too. It says it can't find VGA and won't do anything.

The unpopulated holes for buzzer on the board go to the Aspeed chip so they do nothing with the graphics only AST2510, thats why buzzer is not mounted in factory.

 

[luckylinux]

No video from onboard VGA pre-OS, but system POSTs and tries to boot. So if you boot linux it will initialize the onboard AST graphics and you get picture.

That's not my Experience though .

No Video AT ALL from the onboard VGA using Default BIOS (2.09 as it arrived here, still need to upgrade to 2.12). No matter if PCIe GPU installed or not.

I tried the ASPEED VROM flash utility for EFI shell too. It says it can't find VGA and won't do anything.

Ah, sad to hear that . Did you try the different Files or just one of them ?

 

[luckylinux]

Im doing this for multiple stacks of 4-8 boards each.

Pico psus like these ones and they just use pci-e 6pin leads to a breakout board like this.
(Both are random example listings, might not be the cheapest etc)

Cheap and power efficient.

How were you planning on "Mechanically" laying out the 6-pin from one Chassis to the other though ?

I tried to see if I could find some 6-pin Female to 6-pin Female Pass-through Adapters but couldn't find any.

Otherwise just get a standard Cable, some heatshrink Sleeve and a Cable gland and let it hang out of the Chassis ?

What I really do NOT like about these PicoPSUs, besides the questionable Quality overall, is the SATA Power Connectors. It's those soldered (NON-crimped) à la MOLEX-to-SATA-lose-all-your-Data kind of Fire Risk. Of course I could chop it off and try to re-crimp a Molex Connector out of it, but it would have been nicer if these SATA Connectors were not there to begin with .

 

[Cruzader]

It's those soldered (NON-crimped) à la MOLEX-to-SATA-lose-all-your-Data kind of Fire Risk.

Its not like crimped vs non-crimped alone say anything regarding if its a risk or not tho.

Low quality of either can be a fire risk, neither is a fire risk as a general rule.
(The old rule of thumb is not about non-crimped plugs in general either, its about some specific low quality adapters that sellers used to include.)

Of course I could chop it off and try to re-crimp a Molex Connector out of it, but it would have been nicer if these SATA Connectors were not there to begin with .

I can only imagine your disappointment unpacking a brand new server and first task is to start chopping off connectors.

 

[luckylinux]

Its not like crimped vs non-crimped alone say anything regarding if its a risk or not tho.

Low quality of either can be a fire risk, neither is a fire risk as a general rule.
(The old rule of thumb is not about non-crimped plugs in general either, its about some specific low quality adapters that sellers used to include.)

I also had a CRIMPED Molex to SATA Adapter went up in Smoke as soon as I started a PC, so I agree, that is unfortunately NOT true all the Time.

I'm still not sure about what happened there (somehow I got a Short-Circuit, as I don't think the Inrush Current should have caused that) and of course the PSU did NOT trip in Overcurrent ...

I can only imagine your disappointment unpacking a brand new server and first task is to start chopping off connectors.

???? Well first would be to Select a Chassis and PSU ... For the Price I was tempted to actually get the Fujitsu TX1320 M3 Barebones and just get the Motherboard and PSU Out. Still cheaper than the Silverstome ML03 and has 4 x SSD Hot Swap Bays.

The Inter-Tech IT-503, Inter-Tech IT-502 and Inter-Tech IT-607 (all Desktop Cases) are slighly smaller than the Silverstone ML03B are all significantly cheaper than the Silverstone ML03. Not a lot of Options for installing extra Fans seems to be the Limitation though .

On the Silverstone ML03 I typically just fill up the Side with 80mm Fans, that keeps the RAM as well as the PCIe Slots sufficiently cool (the Static Pressure of the Fans is enough for some Air to go out through the PCIe Slots, thus cooling the NIC and HBA).

How were you planning on "Mechanically" laying out the 6-pin from one Chassis to the other though ?

I tried to see if I could find some 6-pin Female to 6-pin Female Pass-through Adapters but couldn't find any.

Otherwise just get a standard Cable, some heatshrink Sleeve and a Cable gland and let it hang out of the Chassis ?

You didn't answer the Question .

 

[luckylinux]

I'm actually thinking if the Fujitsu TX1320 M3 Barebone could indeed be a viable Solution.

MicroATX Board should Fit. I think there isn't much space for the CPU Cooler though. Plus not much Space at all for additional Fans. But there is a nice hotswap Bay and with some SFF-8643 to 4xSATA REVERSE Breakout Connector it could be used .

The Proprietary PSU has a weird 16-Pin Proprietary Connector, supplying only +12V/GND AND +11V Standby (instead of +5V Standby).

So maybe that can be permanently be switched on and supply the 12V to the PicoPSU ?

Some People here discussed the possibility of using those 12V Rails:
- 16-pol Stromeingang Mainboard + 20-pol Anschluss NT? (Fujitsu-PC)
- stupid fujitsu 12v only psu 16pin connector

 

[azee]

I received Ryzen 5600X and Ryzen 2200G on weekend

I started with Ryzen 2200g

VGA display no output, No Input signal detected
connect the keyboard to internal USB3.0 header, keyboard respond to NUM, SCROLL and CAPS lock.
Dr. Debug complete the initialization with 62 and 02 and then turn OFF
connect external GPU to both X16 and X8 PCI-E, still no display.
Clear CMOS pad did not help. did multiple time with removing the battery, Power cord , RAM and etc.

Next day i swap the process with Ryzen 5600X

and VGA TURN ON at first boot.
The first thing i notice was the BIOS version, it was L2.11
Rear USB ports are working as well.

http://imgur.com/a/rASZZpo

I have few more boards to test during weekend.

 

[luckylinux]

I received Ryzen 5600X and Ryzen 2200G on weekend

I started with Ryzen 2200g

VGA display no output, No Input signal detected
connect the keyboard to internal USB3.0 header, keyboard respond to NUM, SCROLL and CAPS lock.
Dr. Debug complete the initialization with 62 and 02 and then turn OFF
connect external GPU to both X16 and X8 PCI-E, still no display.
Clear CMOS pad did not help. did multiple time with removing the battery, Power cord , RAM and etc.

Next day i swap the process with Ryzen 5600X

and VGA TURN ON at first boot.
The first thing i notice was the BIOS version, it was L2.11
Rear USB ports are working as well.

http://imgur.com/a/rASZZpo

I have few more boards to test during weekend.

Did you use ECC Memory by any Chance ?

The Ryzen 2200g (non-PRO APU) does NOT support ECC RAM ...

In my Case with Ryzen 2600X, Rear USB3 Ports would NOT work no matter what and VGA would also NOT work. ONLY installing an external GPU in the x16 Slot worked to get a Display Output.