EU ASRock Rack B450D4U-V1LQ5 mATX AM4

[luckylinux]

Here are my 2 cents, since I had some getting started troubles too.

Thanks for the in-Depth Reply . Sorry for the Frustration. I'm tired after a Day to get this one going and nothing works yet .

In order to your Points:

Any Ryzen cpu 2xxx, 3xxx or 5xxx except the G series.

As I said, I tried with the 2600X which according to the CPU Compatibility List was supported since forever basically.

2x DDR4 unbuffered Dimm (ecc or not) in the blue memory slots, I’ve tried 2x4GB, 2x8GB and 2x16GB

This is probably the most likely Scenario: I installed 4 DIMMs of 16GB (2Rx8) directly, in all Blue and White Slots.
And now it could be 2 Issues ...

a) My Memory Speed (DDR4 PC4-2400T) is too high for the currently installed CPU (AMD 2600X, Pinnacle Ridge)
b) The BIOS/Memory Controller is failing to automatically scale down the RAM Frequency

A real vga cable to monitor with vga input and selected on the d-sub port

I also tried for the last couple of Hours on a Dell U3011 with a Direct VGA Cable Connection on a VGA Port on the Monitor. Same Result.

Real mouse and keyboard usb in both usb ports.

I didn't try to add a Mouse (do we need that ???). But the Keyboard as I said appeared "Dead" (Numlock didn't even light up if I pressed it myself).

Nothing else, network connection only works once your OS is started.

Which is weird because somehow, for whatever Reason, it got an IP from my OPNSense DHCP Server. But it didn't communicate the hostname to the DHCP Server, thus I believe it was NOT in the OS.

sometimes it takes a while for memory and cpu configuration to settle down before starting

That mostly I had happen on some Supermicro Motherboards or also ASUS Motherboards. They might do 2-3 Reboot Cycles whenever a new Memory is installed, until they find the "Sweet Spot" where they can run stable.

This ASRock, for all I can hear, didn't even reboot once. But then again somebody at ASRock was very smart and decided to save 50 cents on a Speaker/Buzzer ...

Maybe that’s too fast for vga - hdmi converters, also make sure if you use converters they vga to hdmi, not the other way around.

Could be, but also on the Dell U3011 with direct VGA Connection it failed.

Heck I even tried with a PCIe Graphics Card installed in the x16 Slot to see if I could get ANYTHING out (this Time with an HDMI Cable directly connected to the PCIe Graphics Card Output). Nothing happened though ...

Turn off, remove battery, short the cmos pads as indicated on the user manual while the system is off. Wait a couple of minutes and put the battery back and connect power again to start.

Disconnected PSU. Removed CMOS Battery. Shorted the Pads using a Screwdriver. Reinstall CMOS Battery. Reconnect PSU. Same Result.

Heck after a few Attempts I also decided to REPLACE the CMOS Battery because I saw in the Past that some Motherboards behave "weirdly" if the CMOS Battery is discharged too much. Same Result.

Thanks for all the Tips.

Right now my best guess would be the RAM / Memory Speed that is failing to downscale on this CPU apparently, when 4 Modules are installed (see Table & Colors above).

 

[azee]

I received Ryzen 5600X and Ryzen 2200G on weekend

I started with Ryzen 2200g

VGA display no output, No Input signal detected
connect the keyboard to internal USB3.0 header, keyboard respond to NUM, SCROLL and CAPS lock.
Dr. Debug complete the initialization with 62 and 02 and then turn OFF
connect external GPU to both X16 and X8 PCI-E, still no display.
Clear CMOS pad did not help. did multiple time with removing the battery, Power cord , RAM and etc.

Next day i swap the process with Ryzen 5600X

and VGA TURN ON at first boot.
The first thing i notice was the BIOS version, it was L2.11
Rear USB ports are working as well.

http://imgur.com/a/rASZZpo

I have few more boards to test during weekend.

 

[luckylinux]

@dbram: by the Way, what CPU Cooler and Chassis/Case are you using ?

As I said in my previous Post it looks like the Noctua NH-L12 Ghost Edition is just too tight of a Fit to be used with this Motherboard. In one Direction the Heatpipes lay against the VRM Heatsink (I hope I didn't bend them while fastening it). In the other Direction the heatpipes lay against the RAM Module in Slot A2 (White Slot closest to the CPU).

The Noctua NH-L9x65 is quite a bit smaller but I'm not sure if it has enough Cooling Capacity for an 8-Core CPU.

Otherwise maybe the Noctual NH-D9L ? But it would require a 3U Chassis .

 

[azee]

Did you use ECC Memory by any Chance ?

The Ryzen 2200g (non-PRO APU) does NOT support ECC RAM ...

In my Case with Ryzen 2600X, Rear USB3 Ports would NOT work no matter what and VGA would also NOT work. ONLY installing an external GPU in the x16 Slot worked to get a Display Output.

No ECC, i used regular Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000MHz

 

[RolloZ170]

The first thing i notice was the BIOS version, it was L2.11

was mentioned latest BIOS doesn't support 4000 & 2000 ?

 

[luckylinux]

All coolers are stock amd coolers. And the spacing between the ram modules and the cooler is very tight. I’m only using the blue ram slots, the others would even fit:
Except for the 1u stuff where I user the 1u am4 gelid cooler. Not the best cooler but good enough for 65w tdp, but enough room for 4 ram modules.

Staying in 2U-like Factor ...

If the Noctua NH-L12 Ghost Edition doesn't almost Fit (as I said, I am DAMN close to the first white RAM Slot), actually the last heatpipe seems to be completely ON the Memory Chips - maybe I should add a Silicone Thermal pad for some Protection ????

Then the only one in Noctua range that might fit would be the Noctua NH-L9x65.

I'd like to be use all 4 DIMM Slots though . Otherwise I am limited to 32GB of Memory with these cheap DIMMs I bought (2x16GB).

Otherwise maybe Dynatron A47 / Dynatron A24 ? Bequiet PURE ROCK LP ? Or yeah, get an AMD Wraith Prism second Hand off eBay .

The Bequiet PURE ROCK LP is rated at 100W with very Similar Dimensions to Noctua NH-L9x65. So I guess I could interpolate and say that the Noctua NH-L9x65 is also rated at around 100W TDP.

the test setup for the 5600x with a 1u gelid cooler, available at 16,- eur.

What do you mean 16 EUR ? For the 1U Gelid Cooler ? Or including the 5600x ?

Chassis, good question.
I have several,
2x 2u open 19” tray with a 3d printed microatx support
1x very old AOpen case, with some 3d printed hard drive cage spacers for a nas system
1x supermic cs512 case, open lid for the moment.

Anything Cheaper than a Silverstone ML03 at around 80 EUR / piece ?

I know eBay search sucks, but I seem to only find more expensive stuff. Let alone than when "Sorting by Price, Lowest First" the 2000+ Results for some Reason get downgraded to around 50 Results . Same for when I look for RAM, SSD and everything else for that Matter.

EDIT 1: Maybe the Deepcool AN600 or the Thermalright AXP120-X67 might be a better Bet, since they are a few Millimiters less in Width/Length than the Noctua NH-L12, while still providing much more Cooling Capacity compared to the Noctua NH-L9x65.

 

[hmartin]

The first thing i notice was the BIOS version, it was L2.11

My boards arrived with L2.09 and L2.10

Do you have the possibility to dump L2.11? Since this is an uncommon board and BIOS are not publicly available, it would be great to archive different versions.

I can mail you a programmed flash with L2.09, L2.10, or L2.12 and pay for return postage if you don't have the means to take a dump yourself.

 

[luckylinux]

Well I just tried:
- With only 2 x DIMMs (each 16GB) in the Blue Slots (A1 + B1) only -> Nothing happens
- With only 1 x DIMM (16 GB) in the Blue Slot A1 -> Nothing happens
- I also tried with a single 16GB DIMM (16GB but Samsung instead of Micron) in the Blue Slot B1 -> Nothing happens

Keyboard and a Mouse USB Wireless Adapter (I don't have another Wired Mouse to test this) in the USB Ports plugged in at all Times, without any USB Hub.

Before we move on to say that I'm cursed, are there more technical Explanations ?

EDIT 1: tried Samsung single DIMM in slot Blue A1 as per the Manual, same Result. Nothing Happens.

But the PSU is pulling 60W from the Wall at all Times .

 

[RolloZ170]

L2.08
L2.09
L2.12
and older
no dumps, original ASRock Rack

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/8rhs...ey=2chu918wnoli4gxpwoz0n33lp&st=39okblsb&dl=0

 

[azee]

Weird that no Display output on the x16 Slot though. Maybe 3000 MHz RAM is too high for the 2200g and it didn't "autonegotiate" lower RAM Speed & Timings correctly.

Did you try to let it boot a LiveUSB, even if the display didn't work ? Maybe it would show up on the DHCP Server

Ram could be one issues, at the moment 3000Mhz is the lowest module i have. later i may ordered AMD specific 2933 MHz module.
I plugged Debian Live Image and looked for DHCP lease with no success.

 

[luckylinux]

you did verify the cpu power supply (1 or 2x 4pin atx style connector) ?

Given that I tried 3 PSUs (1 faulty since the CPU Fan turned off after a few milliseconds), I doubt it's that.

I had to use an extension for the 8-Pin EPS (12V CPU) Connector as the PSU EPS Cables were too short.

I tried both with a 20-Pin ATX PSU (Supermicro 200W) and a 24-Pin ATX PSU (LC Power 300W ?) same Behavior.

can you post some pictures/video's when it is failing ?

I can try take a Video. It goes quite quickly though and the latest 4 Post Codes I mentioned in one of the previous Posts.

Without clearing CMOS the whole Codes takes less than 10 Seconds and 1 Iteration.

Whereas when removing Battery, clear CMOS, reinstall Battery, it takes slightly longer. Maybe 30 Seconds and 2 Iterations (you can see that the Post Code "hangs" on 02 then restarts, then ends with 02, then turns Off). Crucially Post Code 02 is not in the Manual ...

when starting, especially while reseating a cpu they go through several iterations of debug led status codes during post and only afterwards the vga monitor starts.

I can try to reseat the CPU and see if there are bent Pins etc. It's a possibility indeed.

there is a blue jumper that supposed to do nothing just next to the red sata connector, is it placed ?

It's there indeed. I think it's to enable the SATA DOM to provide Power Supply on that SATA DOM Connector (if enabled), otherwise it will just provide the Data Lines like any other SATA Port (without Power Supply).

here is a working setup while flashing the new bios image, normally the led diagnostic are off once started.
- ryzen 5600x
- 2x 4GB DDR4 kingston KVR24N17S6/4
- akyga 200w 1u power supply AK-11-200, other power supplies are 350 and 400w xilence and bequiet
- intenso M2.ssd 250GB in pcie-nvme riser
- verbatim usb fat32 stick containing bios file
- dell usb keyboard

Well, do I need to put a USB Stick in at all ? You told me Mouse + Keyboard so that's the only Options I have since otherwise I'd have to use a USB Hub (not a direct Connection). The USB 3.0 Header I unfortunately don't have anything to use it for on that Particular Supermicro Chassis (it doesn't have any USB Front Panel Ports at all).

I also tried to push (apply some Pressure) on, in order to try to see if there was some intermittent connection going on or what not:
- VGA Connector: push down (above the PCB)
- BIOS Chip: push down (on the BIOS Chip)
- VRM Heatsink: push down
- Other Heatsink: push down

I'm starting to stress like where did I screw up ?

Did the Noctua Heatpipes lift the VRM Heatsink a bit from the MOSFETs and caused the VRM Chips / MOSFETs to fail in short Circuit ? In that case the CPU is well and truly toasted ... But then again the PSU is not shutting down so something is weird there. 60W continuous is quite the Load without nothing working ...

Did I pull too hard on the BIOS chip when attempting to lift it, before they told me there were these latch "Doors" to unlock first ? I didn't hear/feel any Damage but maybe the solder Joints gave up ?

 

[azee]

My boards arrived with L2.09 and L2.10

Do you have the possibility to dump L2.11? Since this is an uncommon board and BIOS are not publicly available, it would be great to archive different versions.

I can mail you a programmed flash with L2.09, L2.10, or L2.12 and pay for return postage if you don't have the means to take a dump yourself.

I have CH341A, can i use it to dump the bios?

 

[luckylinux]

@dbram: not sure how useful it is, but here is the POST Video (without clearing CMOS, so this is "standard" "boot" after clicking the Power Switch / jumping the Power Pins with a Screwdriver).

http://imgur.com/a/2lLgBdo

 

[azee]

L2.08
L2.09
L2.12
no dumps, original ASRock Rack

Dropbox

www.dropbox.com

At overclock.net L1.02 is also shared, i am posting a link but with no guarantee on the content of the bios.

And thanks for the BIOS.

 

[RolloZ170]

At overclock.net L1.02 is also shared, i am posting a link but with no guarantee on the content of the bios.

looks legit to me(UEFITool, AMIBCP, HxD)

i have L1.14, L2.02, L2.02A, L2.05, L2.05, L2.07, L2.08, L2.09, L2.12

 

[luckylinux]

My guess
- the board is posting fine, but for some reason no output on VGA. i assume your AST2510 led is blinking.

Yes, that seems to be the Case.

- it switches back and forth between the default asrockrack logo or text output and the PXE of the built in LAN, this PXE thing might indeed request an address from your opnsense dhcp server, but it requires additional options for PXE booting (option 68, 67 or 68 if I remember correctly). it tries a while to receive the additional options but then fails and restarts i guess. note this is not related to BMC/KVM, this board doesn't have it.

Could be the Case. Not sure.

- after that it looks for boot devices (IBA, SATA, USB, pcie-nvme, ... ) but doesn't succeed and restarts.

Why not ? My USB Flashdrive (Debian GNU/Linux LiveUSB) is programmed for Dual Boot, so it should boot just fine both in CSM/BIOS and UEFI.
Only thing is Secureboot might NOT be setup on that one. I have a Ubuntu LiveUSB where Secure Boot works, but I doubt it would work there, since I would need to first disable Secure Boot, then enroll my own Keys in the Motherboard via mokutil.

After a cmos reset or reseating cpu or memory, mine does a couple of iterations (post codes, and diagnosis leds turn off) but here I think yours is simply rebooting.

Yes, because I didn't unplug the Battery and do a CMOS Reset on this Video.

If I removed the CMOS Battery and shorted the Jumper, it does 2 "Cycles" indeed.

maybe even if your monitor doesn't turn on immediately try this:

It doesn't turn on at all. It just says there is nothing on VGA going on.

I actually tried another Monitor as well (Dell U2410 I think) after the Dell U3011 but Nothing happened there either.

after power on:

• hit the DEL button a few times just to make sure you would land up in the bios menu, then try looping through your monitor inputs to see if it doesn't fall back to another input then your vga/d-sub connector. I have a flatron LG connected that has multiple inputs and sometimes I have to set it back to d-sub/vga .
• to the numlock thing that should turn on/off when pressing it after a while, especially after diagnostics leds are off

The Numlock is well and truly dead. Nothing lights up from USB. EVER. It's like the USB are completely unpowered or something.

I think I was cycling quite quickly between F1/F2/DEL as one of those should allow me to enter the BIOS. Nothing happened there either.

Only Option left would be to re-seat the CPU and check for Bent Pins. I didn't see any when I installed it but now I'm not too sure anymore.

Is it normal that it won't even post with a Graphics Card installed ? I guess I would need to change my primary Video Output Device in the BIOS.

Eh ... talking about Difficult. This is working blind .

 

[dbram]

Thought I'd share an update here briefly.
using bios L2.12, Ryzen 3700x, 2x8gb RAM

Installed a pcie adapter X16 to X8X4X4, installed the X710-DA2, 2x Kingston 2TB NVME ssd's and an Intenso NVME 250GB as boot drive in the motherboards X8 slot.

boots just fine, I haven't tried but all ssd's can be selected to boot.
this thing could just be a compact nvme ssd NAS device.

 

[luckylinux]

I checked the CPU for bent pins but to be honest it seems fine.
Some Pictures look a bit "weird" but still I cannot say there are bent Pins ...











I tried soaking the underside of the CPU in some Isopropanol. Not sure if there was some dirt but maybe that will help it chill down who knows .

 

[chlastakov]

Installed a pcie adapter X16 to X8X4X4, installed the X710-DA2, 2x Kingston 2TB NVME ssd's and an Intenso NVME 250GB as boot drive in the motherboards X8 slot.

Which adapter did you used?

 

[potrebitel]

The question is not to me, but I am planning something like:

Pardon Our Interruption...

PCIe 3.0 x16 to 2 x8 Bifurcation Card

Smarter Shopping, Better Living! Aliexpress.com

www.aliexpress.com

Allows 8x card directly and then 4x4x for nvme with the "traditional" splitter cards.

Alternatively this, if the height allows it :

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005311953959.html

The older PCIe does not justify using retimers/redrivers as there are other options available like this one for x8 or this one for SFF-8654 8x to 2x nvme, as PCIe 3.0 should handle such setups fine.

I assume it would be possible to use passive adapters like this one as PCIe 3.0 should be fine when adding 40/50cm SFF-8654 cables (haven't seen widely available shorter ones), but it adds to complexity of the setup.

Not cheap, so wondering if @dbram used something else.

 

[potrebitel]

The "x8" slot on the board is electrical x4 so cant achieve 2x25GBe speeds, could do single 25GBe only. Will be fine for 2x10GBe though.

The SLOT5 PCIe is most likely coming from the controller (and not the CPU), so it will share the bandwidth with anything attached on the USB/SATA/Networking, so that could be a "limiting" factor for some cases.

Any card that needs x8 will be limited on the x4 slot, so it really depends on the usage. Having the x16 slot split into x8x4x4 sounds more reasonable - gives 2 nvme and a x8 slot for high-speed networking or a HBA for more drives.

I wouldn't imagine having this board in 4U case to fully utilize the PCIe slots - to me sounds like a waste of resources for a 4U case. But who knows.

But all of would be highly Case (as in "Chassis") specific. Supermicro does that but they also sell Special (Proprietary) Motherboards for them -> SC825TQC-R1K03WB | 2U | Chassis | Products | Super Micro Computer, Inc.

This chassis requires special Supermicro boards to use those PCIe slots, so its not very usable without ribon risers if you can find the case at the first place for a reasonable price

 

[dbram]

Did you check if ASPM works as expected (use turbostat, powertop is too dependent on which Moment you trigger/open it) ?

Didn't go that far yet.
The 2x2tb's nvme are passed to a truenas scale vm on proxmox, sharing smb, backup containers and vm's over nfs... 10gb X710-DA2 card's doing their 10gb thing easily

Yeah theoretically, but I think only x4x4x4x4 is supported ...

that's from the motherboard documentation i guess.
bios options, allows selection between x16, x8x4x4, x4x4x4x4 on a Ryzen 3600, assume 3700x too, and maybe x8x8 can be done too. (don't remember)

 

[luckylinux]

02 --> check if cpu fan is connected to the correct header / disconnect keyboard / plug in gpu with hdmi port and connect it to screen ... then start the board

Well it's currently on Fan1.



But I observed the same if it was on Fan3 I believe.

 

[dbram]

Which adapter did you used?

Here are some items I ordered in the past

• PCIE X16 to X8X4X4 adapter
• usb3 header for the motherboard
• 10gb fiber tranceivers

 

[luckylinux]

Here are the instructions for "ASRock Rack Instant Flash"

https://www.asrockrack.com/support/faq.jp.asp?id=2

It should be possible to put new bios file to a FAT32 formatted SATA hard drive and try to flash blindly without using VGA or back USB

Before doing that I would order myself a CH341 programmer with sockets for various chip types just in case:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003756472489.html

I also have the Programmer, but I think only for SOIC and SOP ICs. Not sure if those will fit this Chip. I can transplant it into another Board worst case but I'd rather not have to do that.

However per the Manual you need to perform a few Clicks with that "Instant Flash" so you cannot really do that blindly.

Let alone it's with a Mouse and not a Keyboard.





The Instructions in the link also rely on having some kind of Display Output ...

flash blindly without using VGA or back USB

Where did you see that ?

Method 2 could work if I keep pressing F6 a lot of Times and then Press ENTER on a USB Flashdrive with a single File.
But no way to know if it's starting the Flash or Finishing it ...

 

[potrebitel]

Be happy . This is a low-end AMD Ryzen Motherboard.And depends what you want to do with 2x25 gbps.

You suggested 2x25GbE cards on x4 electrical, which doesn't make any sense if you truly want to utilize the network, not just to say its attached to the motherboard.

Yeah theoretically, but I think only x4x4x4x4 is supported ...

As you've seen, reading the manual doesn't always lets you think correctly ... the board supports x8x4x4, along with few other things, missing from the manual, as stated in the thread.

EDIT 1: you will NEVER be able to achieve 25GBe speeds anyway. I assumed you meant 25gbe .

Since it seems you want to nit-pick things - its 25GbE - I am sure you can check the manuals about that one too

 

[luckylinux]

don't think it is related to cpu pins, that would prevent other things as well

I guess there is a setting that prohibits legacy usb devices and/or the aspeed vga chip from starting correctly, should be resolved by cmos reset.
during my very first attempt i was eventually able to let it post using an external old GPU in the pcie slot. something that was never required in the other 3 boards. but i can't say that had any influence, it might just work with onboard or pcie gpu.

for what it is worth i usually plug the usb dell keyboard to the bottom usb3 connector.

Yeah it's still the same after the Isopropanol ... It did NOT help to get it a bit drunk and more cooperative .

 

[Cruzader]

I'm curious how you managed to use that X8 Slot however.

Do you have a Chassis where the PCIe Cards are installed in a transversal Manner ?

A low profile card in the x8 slot has the same height as a normal full height card.
The screw hole does not line up perfectly unless you got a card with both notches in the bracket tho (low/full profile has screw holes in different positions).

I got these adapters with 2x 25gbe cards on the x8 slot for all my ryzen builds.

 

[luckylinux]

02 --> check if cpu fan is connected to the correct header / disconnect keyboard / plug in gpu with hdmi port and connect it to screen ... then start the board

ACTUALLY IT WORKED

BUT .. ONLY if the Graphics Card is installed in the SHORT (x8) Slot, NOT THE LONG (x16) Slot !!!






BUT ... I still cannot do anything with my Keyboard.

And yes, I already tried a few of them. It's like USB is dead or something .

 

[gb00s]

I will try to use 3 of these boards as a storage cluster training environment:

1. OS (Debian or Alma) will be installed on cheap SATA SSD connected via internal USB3 adapter to SATA. I guess you could use internal USB3 connector for unRAID as well.
2. PCIe x16 split with 8x4x4x - bifurcation card I still have around with x8 used for dual-port ConnectX-3 Pro for internal IB cluster and data transfer and 2x Optane 1600x (58GB) as read/write cache.
3. PCIe x8 used with M.2 -> SATA 3.0 card for 6x SATA HDD's. Speed should be kind of ok with x4 electrical speed only.


Not clear about cpu as I need ECC for sure.

 

[dbram]

I'm curious how you managed to use that X8 Slot however.

A low profile card in the x8 slot has the same height as a normal full height card.

exactly as Cruzader mentionned, a low profile X710 in the upper X16 (mechanical, X8 electrical) slot of the riser, and indeed the low profile brackets, more or less match with a bit of trial and error into a full height pcie of the case

 

[luckylinux]

At least you’ve got progress, maybe try and get a usb3 header and try a (yet another) keyboard on that one.

I don't have a USB3 Header -> Port at all .All I have is USB2 -> USB3 Header Converters, but here the reverse is needed.

I can try disassembling another Chassis but this is turning into 10 Projects now ...

Don't know if I can put a USB Controller into the x16 Slot and it works during Post though ...

USB POWER seems to be working, because connecting a USB3 HUB on the rear USB3 Port turned on a LED.

But no matter if the USB3 HUB has the AC Adapter plugged in or not, it still doesn't make the Keyboards magically work .

 

[chlastakov]

Just risked it and bought the last 12pcs box. Since I definitelly don't need all, I have no problem to sell some of these if anyone is interested. Hope they all will work.