Yeah 3/4 vs 4/4, either Way it's the same. ECC works with the 3000 Series (or at least 3700X), NOT with the 5000 Series (or at least 5700X).
I also thought that maybe Aliexpress sent me a fake or something ...
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I also thought that maybe Aliexpress sent me a fake or something ...
I have a solution if you want to save money, look up "slotted steel" at your local hardware store, then figure out how to cut it and attach for your particular improper rack. As long as they're on top of eachother and you don't plan to take them out it should be fine though. Don't buy rack shelves, there's also theseThat's the Thing ... I don't have a proper rack. Just some of these Samson SRK Series (kind of Video/Audio Racks) and some Steel Shelves.
For Desktop ATX / HTPC type Chassis (such as the Silverstone ML03) I typically need to buy individual Rack Shelves.
But for something that is already in Rack 1U Format, not sure how to do it to be honest. Either I add a Shelf but then it becomes 2U, or I do as you say and it will tilt. Maybe I can engineer some Bracket to help support it from the Back, but since this model is especially short, I don't think that will work.
And Rails are WAY too expensive I think. Probably much more than the Chassis itself.
Isn't it just to install the
amd64-microcode Package and possibly removing the Blacklisting in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/amd64-microcode-blacklist.conf ?Why do we need a custom Script just for that
?
Yep, those. Except you put it on the other way around than the photo for that one. The holes are convenient for using nuts/bolts where needed to attach it to the front and back. You'd combine it with something like this:
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Don't quote me on that exact one but you should be able to picture what I mean in your head, that attached to your steel L bracket on both ends, then attaches to your cabinet. Or however way you make it work and you end up saving a ton of money.
You don't screw it into the chassis, you just install them like 4 post static rails which means each "rail" is screwed into the front and back posts for a total of 4 posts, and then since it's an L bracket, your server "slides" in and the brackets hold it. Basically like it's a shelf per server.
Then if you really want you screw in your server from the front like you normally would just as extra support in case your homemade rails fall apart.
EDIT -- Example photo, your server would slide in on top of it like this:
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More like less but it does give you an Option to install ANY of the available Microcode Packages (so both Bookworm and Testing/Trixie).
I know exactly what you mean, so there's be 3 holes right? You screw in the top and bottom for the brackets. Preferably less "bulky" head screws.
Then, you slide on your server, and screw it in the remaining middle hole, with a slightly longer screw (optional.)
If you get the right
My only gripe with these would be that they're black. Which usually means they're usually not high quality steel. Which means they can bend/warp. And the final issue is that since it's only two holes, you'd need to put in your third hole if you want to also screw in the server.
Don't do it this way by the way, that'd be like trying to slide in a DVD player on a shelf under your TV, so you take out the shelf, screw the DVD player on the shelf and then put it back in.
You are on BIOS L2.12 with the AMD Ryzen 3700X ? just to make sure it will still work with AMD Ryzen 3700X if I upgrade the BIOS now
I'm at this stage currently. Just wanted to drop in and say it definitely works, doesn't destroy the chip. Using a random "black" version of the tool. Apparently there's either "black" or "green" (when we're talking about the $8 made in China ones) and I'm using NeoProgrammer instead of the other popular one as that didn't work.
So I'm wondering where you're at right now specifically regarding VGA not working, ECC or any other good stuff, and I noticed the other person you were speaking with (who I don't want to tag, unless he becomes active again) was mentioning some specific settings that match the rabbit hole I'm going down right now.
I've figured out how to import/export bits and so on and have a general idea of what's left to try to get VGA working on the latest BIOS. If I could avoid it (like you already figured it out) let me know, or if you have a version with some improvements already let me know as well as I'd like to use that as my "base" instead so we can maybe have a final version that's most usable. I really don't want to have to do the workaround which involves a GPU.
EDIT -- Alright, testing out a few modified settings and mashed with X470D4U BIOS versions of varying risk levels, wish me luck.
The one where I said "don't quote me on that exact one" right? They're not amazing but should work, definitely better than what you were trying to get in some ways. Going to potentially be a little more complicated with the nuts and bolts, but lucky for you if you do run into troubles I happen to also have a hardware store, a need for rails, and those exact brackets (lots of them.) EDIT -- actually it could potentially be better in some ways if done right. Don't worry I'm probably making it sound way more advanced but keep an emphasis on "a little more" complicated. Let's just say different, and it's due to that little dip. And it can be better because it'll be more flush and "held in" but then you need to make sure it's the right height on the perforated steel.@VirMach: I ordered those Brackets from Supermicro after I sent an Offer to the Seller (8$ / Set of 10x) that he accepted. Turned out to be around 2.6 $ / Pair shipped & including VAT. Not too Bad I guess (22.5 USD plus VAT & Shipping -> 8 USD plus VAT & Shipping).
More or less what the Aliexpress black Bracket was basically
Now trying to get the Chassis confirmed
"Punching" in the steel at a specific point would make it solid. I'm thinking of potentially using a flaring tool for that. First idea is to use a cheap flaring tool meant for copper pipes and seeing if it's strong enough to make a dent.
So seems like we'd be in the same boat again and can share ideas.
I got the KVM dongles in today, I was supposed to go down to the datacenter and try it out but I've spent way too long on the CH341A flashes. I'm so close yet so far.
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It's kind of funny how much headache and how little savings these Ryzen boards ended up bringing us in the end. I know in Europe power costs are high, so perhaps this comparison won't mean much, but I have a supplier here in the US that can give us bulk dual Xeon scalable or AMD Epyc servers, with chassis, proper rail kits, heatsinks, the processors, power supply, fans, everything other than memory and disks, for about $70 per unit. More powerful, enterprise-grade, with IPMI. And the memory for those are much cheaper since it's not UDIMM. Half the price if you're comparing to UDIMM ECC.I didn't move at all basically. Still looking for Server Chassis (the guy that was selling 10+ Servers stopped answering me after a few Exchanges), could place the Order since there is some Protection for Buyers, but he didn't go down in Price. 22 EUR/each (including VAT, without Shipping) or 30 EUR/each including VAT and shipping. Looking at the current Market that's a quite good Price for Chassis + PSU though. I miss the Riser and prices for that alone, on eBay, are like another 20-30 EUR /each
I know I'm going to have to eventually buy more heatsinks for these and it hurts paying more for those than the boards.
I feel like your total must be much worse than mine, but again, you can point to your electric bill and it makes sense. Over here I can't even do that, industrial electricity rate is like $0.06-0.09/kWh here.
It's an awesome perk of the 5500. It's Cezanne, which is technically not supported, but it's technically not really Cezanne (it is, they just disabled integrated graphics.) So it technically works, just with extra steps. I've already looked through the BIOS, they don't define anything for Cezanne and my guess at this point is it has to do with the timing for the AST2510 coming up conflicting with CSM. I'm about 15 custom BIOS versions in right now just to avoid having to plug in a GPU for every board, because even if you disable CSM, it loads it as default on CPU swap. Even if you disable CSM in the actual BIOS flash, it loads it as default on boot.
I know it has to be something deep into the setup settings on the BIOS, where it takes the flash and then runs some scripts on top of it on first boot, but those are harder to locate.
Look at how they look, the part where you'd screw it in is flared out (I don't know the right word for it.) And the rails its supposed to go with also does that. It's a "bump" out toward the outer walls of your cabinet. This is technically better in some ways, like you don't have to worry as much about the clearance on your nuts/bolts. But it means for the "best" results you also want to create a bump on your hardware store steel L bars. It'll still work without it, just need longer bolts.
None of the above answered your question, the part I'm talking about is that it actually "hugs" the bar. Which is good, more reinforcement, but bad because now you have to be more precise on the size of your bar. you could also just have it be taller and it'll still work, but you lose that benefit and also lose some clearance on the sides, not on the top/bottom.
Look this up, or actually don't because it could end up not working at all, but it's cheap enough plus you can use it for installing a split AC system if you ever get one of those. Actually the more I think about it the more variables there are than I originally accounted for plus it really shouldn't work... but it might.
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What you really need is a hand operated steel punch (if you're strong) or a hydraulic punch but you're not trying to open a factory in your home. Except not really a punch, you'd get a punch but add a dimple/flare tool to it. I have no idea why I'm going through such lengths explaining this when I could just show you a photo of the rail.
I do actually have a cheap solution to do this "properly" because I had to do it years ago, I just need to remember what it was and I'll spill the beans.
And again it's possible to skip over it, not if you're OCD.
Yeah, don't. Well you technically did modify the BIOS for the ECC support with your EFI file, right? But yeah this is a lot different (probably.) I'm staring at hex files all day.Well sounds like you are Way ahead than I am
If I do get anywhere with it, I'll share, so you can flash it to a version where you know the VGA might work on all processors, maybe.
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I fixed the VGA issue for the 5500 (not a proper fix, just a workaround.) I'm not 100% sure what base version I used last as it's been a wild ride, nor if I broke anything else, but I think I may have used the version someone else provided earlier in the thread who mentioned fixing/patching ECC in some way.Weird.
Yesterday I setup a new Motherboard (which arrived as the other with BIOS L2.09) with a used AMD Ryzen 7 3700X (with some Thermal Paste on the underside that I did not manage to remove ... figured out that since it was non-conductive Arctic MX-4 I'll just let it be since I was afraid of bending the Pins otherwise).
Even with the 3000 Series not Advanced Option shows up in the BIOS underAMD CBS
As soon as I booted into Ubuntu, I could check that indeed ECC has been enabled by default (confirmed byEDACMessages indmesgas well asdmidecodethat reportsMulti-Bit Error Correcting Capability). It's weird that also for the 3000 Series the ECC/Advanced Options do NOT show up in BIOS though.
I also don't remember this well, but I don't think the other boards that have more proper ECC support have an ECC option. It's supposed to just detect if you plugged in ECC memory and support it, I'm sure some people would probably like being able to buy ECC memory and then disabling the feature for whatever reason, but that's likely why it's usually left off. I assume it defaults to no ECC and you guys maybe had to use the advanced option to try to bring it back since they didn't properly add whatever part of the BIOS would normally detect it and auto switch it on. Same with the 5500 and whatever else lacking VGA, I'm sure their implementation is more advanced, but in the end all it might do is automatically switch over some of the settings I had to tick on manually and get to stick.
I'm going to just make sure I didn't cause any major problems and then I'll provide you guys my version of the BIOS. I did get cheeky I think and do some things like change it to version 2.13 and maybe put in some OEM details though for our chassis or company, because it was always annoying to me when I'd try to quickly check what chassis a server's in and just having everything come back as "To be filled by OEM." So if that bothers you then the version I've been working on might not be desirable.
I still have not figured out the USB though, it doesn't work on 5500. I don't know what other version(s) people reported issues on it but I'm quite ecstatic to not have to swap out a bunch of CPUs and GPUs right now just to get it to have VGA.
It should work on a CMOS reset as well. I'll test that out, I just wanted to come here real quick to do a premature victory lap as I've been staring at this for the past day trying to get it to work.
I don't know if I mentioned this but the reason the motherboards cost more is if you want any flexibility at all, they're a complete PITA to work with and easy to brick. So I guess that's the market price for actually being able to fully utilize your motherboard. Not worth it for us (well we're still going to have to buy those $500 motherboards for other use cases but I'm going to be grumpy when I do it.)I'd be interested in those AMD EPYC Servers
Okay that's a steal. I've never seen them that cheap over the last 5 years. I guess Europe's good for heatsinks and motherboards without IPMI.CPU Cooler I got from PIOPartsLap the GELID 1U cooler for 3 EUR / Piece
We're in the non-ECC boat right now, but I might be back on it since I just ordered 3000 series that are not all "X" -- so if that's the case I'll probably try to get that fixed as well. I'm just short on time right now so I can't spend 20 hours for something we're not going to be using, but I've already gone so deep into this stuff I might come back to do it anyway if I figure it out on a non-priority basis.Pretty sure, on a related note, that the ECC Support, with my Script, only started working once you enable UEFI Boot. Well you technically need to do that anyways, otherwise you cannot run the EFI Shell Script.
We are starting to have some doubts about ECC Support, since @chlastakov tested with an AMD Ryzen 3 3100 with ECC Memory and it did NOT boot at all. So between conflicting Informations online (all AMD Ryzen CPUs and all AMD Ryzen PRO-APUs support ECC ... except the Ryzen non-PRO APUs that have been turned into a CPU
The "Feeling" is that non-X CPUs (at least some of them) might NOT support ECC.
Keep in mind it'll likely mostly take a lot of luck, I'm not claiming to be a genius. Most of the work you already did for that is beyond my capabilities.
Maybe I'm thinking about it wrong, but I have not yet even once thought about any of this being an issue for the next server up/under. I'll try to demonstrate with some photos since I coincidentally have everything I've mentioned.
Yeah you need a solid work bench/clamps.
Can you let me know how I can quickly verify ECC works? Just so I can check for you to see if my current custom BIOS has that carried over and potentially persistent since I was specifically focusing on making my fix persistent and may have accidentally also done so for the ECC support.
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It's interesting how Cezanne shares the same bugs as Pinnacle Ridge (I'm too lazy to look up if 2700X is actually Pinnacle Ridge, I only recently learned AMD loved mashing things together with naming even if they're not the same.)
I also had that on certain BIOS versions (USB and VGA issues) for the 2600. I should go back and see what BIOS version didn't have those problems and/or what settings and try to compare specific parts of it to see how they ended up breaking it, might be useful in figuring out how to unbreak it.
Yeah, the USB 3.0 header works. I need my rear USBs though for the KVM switch, I'm not about to have some weird back to front series of 5 feet USB extension cable management runs to get it going.
EDIT -- Oh one other interesting thing, it seems to think the Cezanne is Renoir (maybe, so 4000 series.) I bet this might also mean you can technically also use them with 5000G series (I'm not about to spend 30 hours figuring that one out though.)
The modified BIOS. I have a 5800X, 5950X, I know I have a 5700X somewhere but unlikely to be found. Then a 2600, 2700X somewhere (for some reason I misplace all my 700's) and 3800 to 3950X. With the 5500 and 3500's coming in later, I should have a pretty good shot at eventually having a version that works on all of them.
The one thing you can almost guarantee won't have DRM or some weird form factor on it is the fans. For some reason they haven't figured out a good way to make their own really weird really expensive fans yet, worst case scenario it's attached to something and you can just pop them out and replace it with a normal form factor one.Ah so you are stuck with OEM Systems (Dell ?) without any Freedom to change anything and with Fans that sounds like a Jet Engine at Takeoff, amongst other Things
Disclaimer: I haven't seen brand new Dell servers, maybe they do have DRM on the fans now, who knows, but the old ones are fine.
Yeah I also have ECC working on an ASUS ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING with AMD Ryzen 5950X
.NOT the same DIMM but I don't think it's the DIMM Module. This is really the BIOS hiding the entire Overclock / Memory Frequency-Timings and most of the CBS Submenu ...
I just tried with L2.12 (latest). No joy. Even after trying to patch the settings again
.
Just making a comparison of things I've noticed that are different between BIOS version 1.14 and 2.12 - I'm underlining anything that caught my attention related to previous discussions.
Okay let's compare Advanced Settings specifically now:
- "Node 0 Information" removed in newer version
- "Advanced" is moved under setup, it was previously one level above it in configuration directories, near the end
- "OnChip SATA Type" changed to "SATA Mode"
- Additional "SB USB Configuration" group added to South Bridge with different grouping
- North Bridge has "Above 4GB MMIO Limit" added with failsafe of 512GB
- North Bridge has "Memory Configuration" removed (clock, bank interleaving, channel interleaving, memory clear)
- "Security" has "HDD Security Configuration" moved to sub-folder and 1st to 6th HDD security removed
- Additional "Boot" subfolder added under security, with setup prompt timeout, bootup num lock (moved from Boot)
- Boot subfolder under Boot removed, and placed directly in Boot folder (this is independent from last bullet point)
- Boot folder has "VGA Support" removed (previous default EFI Driver)
- Boot folder has "USB Support" removed (previously default Full Initial)
- Boot folder has other changes, perhaps these were moved somewhere else (poorly?)
- "CSM" has mention of PCIE slot 4 removed
- "Exit" has "Launch EFI Shell from filesystem" added
- "Fch IDE" renamed "IDE Configuration" added but blanked out (moved?)
- PCI Subsystem Settings added "Re-Size BAR Support"
- "Offboard SATA Controller Configuration" added with "Offboard SATA Controller Configuration" sub-folder but blank
- "EUFI NETWORK Drive BBS Priority" added (perhaps moved from Boot)
- "Trusted Computing" has firmware version and vendor added in one of three folders
- Secure Boot "Key Management" renamed to "Export Key Management" with some options removed/reduced
- An additional "Boot" folder for Secure Boot removed
Okay let's compare Advanced Settings specifically now:
- "CPU Configuration" has C6, CPB removed and fTPM --> SPI/LPC/fTPM
- "Chipset Configuration" has Re-Size BAR Support added
- "AST2500 Super IO" has Serial Port 1 Configuration and related removed (this plus the PCIe removal part means 2.12 is for -V1LQ5)
- "Storage Configuration" now has 3 "Storage Configuration" sub-folders where they're split
- "H/W Monitor" has "Watch Dog Timer" moved out and potentially one other thing
- ACPI Configuration has "Lock Legacy Resources" moved out
- "CPU Configuration" has PSTATE Adjustment/C6/CPB removed
- "SIO Common Settings" added with Lock Legacy Resources moved into here instead
- "Network Stack Configuration" added, likely moved in from Boot options maybe?
- CSM has some stuff removed (maybe moved elsewhere?)
Does anyone tried to test NVMe speed?
Am I doing something wrong?
- Ryzen 3700X
- 1x M.2 PCIe 5 - slot 2 (x8) using reduction
- 4x U.2 PCIe 4 - slot 1 (x16, biffucation se to x4/x4/x4/x4) using reduction
- Clean Ubuntu 24.04 LTS
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Seagate ZP2000GM30004 (PCI: 0000:01:00.0)
LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 32GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L1, Exit Latency L1 unlimited
LnkSta: Speed 8GT/s (downgraded), Width x4
Micron_7400_MTFDKCC1T9TDZ (PCI: 0000:27:00.0)
LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 16GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s <256ns, L1 unlimited
LnkSta: Speed 8GT/s (downgraded), Width x4
Micron_7400_MTFDKCC1T9TDZ (PCI: 0000:29:00.0)
LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 16GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s <256ns, L1 unlimited
LnkSta: Speed 8GT/s (downgraded), Width x4
Micron_7400_MTFDKCC1T9TDZ (PCI: 0000:28:00.0)
LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 16GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s <256ns, L1 unlimited
LnkSta: Speed 8GT/s (downgraded), Width x4
Micron_7400_MTFDKCC1T9TDZ (PCI: 0000:2a:00.0)
LnkCap: Port #0, Speed 16GT/s, Width x4, ASPM L0s L1, Exit Latency L0s <256ns, L1 unlimited
LnkSta: Speed 8GT/s (downgraded), Width x4If you read what me & ALinden recently said (I know, it can be a lot of Posts, since we also attempted to fix it) then it seems that for 5000 Series CPUs A LOT of Options in the BIOS are disabled. This includes Memory Overclocking (where DRAM Timings/Frequency/ECC Configuration Settings are located) as well as General Overclocking in the Common CBS Menu.
And ECC Memory is also disabled (by default) for this "Server" Motherboard on 5000 Series CPUs for whatever reason. Maybe to prevent Hetzner or 2nd Hand Market from using 5000 Series CPUs instead of upgrading to a more expensive Solution
.As @dbram confirmed, AMD Ryzen 3700X is working with proper ECC Support, so I think that the only Option (unless somebody can reverse Engineer x86 Code in the BIOS, since "Hacking" and forcing the Setting with
setup_var.efi did NOT work with neither me nor ALinden) is to use a 3000 Series CPU. It sucks BIG Time .
You have a 4x4 = 16 bifurcated PCIe 4 card connected to x16, with 4x Gen4 U.3 NVMe connected to it? And then one PCIe Gen5 connected to a PCIe 3 x 8?
This is oversimplified and quick math that might be wrong but no matter what, all you have access to is one x16 and one x8, which turns into 2x8 if both are used, on PCIe3, so you "effectively" have 4x Gen 5 lanes (theoretical) which would only theoretically cover your Seagate FireCuda. And you're exceeding that by 8x4 Gen3 (theoretical) lanes so your usage is 32x PCIe 3 (theoretical) lanes over the maximum.
The most you can do on this is 4 x Gen 3 NVMe, two per PCIe slot. Without bottlenecking speeds.
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What the Hell now ?
I unplugged the Graphics Card from the x8 Slot (the non-Bifurcated one, the one closest to the Edge of the Board - the x16 wouldn't work anyways as it Bifurcates by Default and the GPU doesn't like that apparently) and installed a NIC and now ECC seems to be recognized !!
I see this:
And
So MAYBE it's just a matter of a Consumer GPU being the cause of all of this ????
@azee, @ALinden : please UNPLUG your GPU from the x8 Slot (the non-Bifurcated one, the one closest to the Edge of the Board - the x16 wouldn't work anyways as it Bifurcates by Default and the GPU doesn't like that apparently) and try to boot Ubuntu/Debian, then try again the
EDIT 1: Full dmidecode ... I cannot believe my Eyes !
It really looks like UNPLUGGING the GPU from the x16 Slot made ECC Work. I cannot state the BIOS Menu because, well, now I cannot access it. I didn't check if the Onboard VGA Port worked, it did NOT with the 2600X before though. I didn't test with the 5700X though ...
?I unplugged the Graphics Card from the x8 Slot (the non-Bifurcated one, the one closest to the Edge of the Board - the x16 wouldn't work anyways as it Bifurcates by Default and the GPU doesn't like that apparently) and installed a NIC and now ECC seems to be recognized !!
I see this:
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root@LiveUbuntu02:~# dmesg | grep -i edac
[ 0.647246] EDAC MC: Ver: 3.0.0
[ 6.823044] EDAC MC0: Giving out device to module amd64_edac controller F19h_M20h: DEV 0000:00:18.3 (INTERRUPT)
[ 6.823047] EDAC amd64: F19h_M20h detected (node 0).
[ 6.823051] EDAC MC: UMC0 chip selects:
[ 6.823052] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 0MB 1: 0MB
[ 6.823054] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 0MB 3: 0MB
[ 6.823057] EDAC MC: UMC1 chip selects:
[ 6.823058] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 0MB 1: 0MB
[ 6.823059] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 8192MB 3: 8192MB
Code:
root@LiveUbuntu02:~# sudo dmidecode -t memory | grep -i 'error correction'
Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC@azee, @ALinden : please UNPLUG your GPU from the x8 Slot (the non-Bifurcated one, the one closest to the Edge of the Board - the x16 wouldn't work anyways as it Bifurcates by Default and the GPU doesn't like that apparently) and try to boot Ubuntu/Debian, then try again the
dmesg | grep -i edac and sudo dmidecode -t memory | grep -i 'error correction' Commands.EDIT 1: Full dmidecode ... I cannot believe my Eyes !
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root@LiveUbuntu02:~# dmidecode
# dmidecode 3.5
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 3.3.0 present.
Table at 0x000E6CC0.
Handle 0x0000, DMI type 0, 26 bytes
BIOS Information
Vendor: American Megatrends International, LLC.
Version: L2.12
Release Date: 08/30/2024
Address: 0xF0000
Runtime Size: 64 kB
ROM Size: 16 MB
Characteristics:
PCI is supported
BIOS is upgradeable
BIOS shadowing is allowed
Boot from CD is supported
Selectable boot is supported
BIOS ROM is socketed
EDD is supported
Japanese floppy for NEC 9800 1.2 MB is supported (int 13h)
Japanese floppy for Toshiba 1.2 MB is supported (int 13h)
5.25"/360 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
5.25"/1.2 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
3.5"/720 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
3.5"/2.88 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
Print screen service is supported (int 5h)
Serial services are supported (int 14h)
Printer services are supported (int 17h)
CGA/mono video services are supported (int 10h)
USB legacy is supported
BIOS boot specification is supported
Targeted content distribution is supported
UEFI is supported
BIOS Revision: 5.17
Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
System Information
Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Product Name: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Version: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
UUID: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-f3ee00f0f3ee
Wake-up Type: Power Switch
SKU Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Family: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
Base Board Information
Manufacturer: ASRockRack
Product Name: B450D4U-V1L
Version:
Serial Number:
Asset Tag:
Features:
Board is a hosting board
Board is replaceable
Location In Chassis:
Chassis Handle: 0x0003
Type: Motherboard
Contained Object Handles: 0
Handle 0x0003, DMI type 3, 22 bytes
Chassis Information
Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Type: Desktop
Lock: Not Present
Version: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Boot-up State: Safe
Power Supply State: Safe
Thermal State: Safe
Security Status: None
OEM Information: 0x00000000
Height: Unspecified
Number Of Power Cords: 1
Contained Elements: 0
SKU Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Handle 0x0004, DMI type 10, 6 bytes
On Board Device Information
Type: Video
Status: Enabled
Description: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Handle 0x0005, DMI type 11, 5 bytes
OEM Strings
String 1: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Handle 0x0006, DMI type 32, 20 bytes
System Boot Information
Status: No errors detected
Handle 0x0007, DMI type 44, 9 bytes
Unknown Type
Header and Data:
2C 09 07 00 FF FF 01 01 00
Handle 0x0008, DMI type 18, 23 bytes
32-bit Memory Error Information
Type: OK
Granularity: Unknown
Operation: Unknown
Vendor Syndrome: Unknown
Memory Array Address: Unknown
Device Address: Unknown
Resolution: Unknown
Handle 0x0009, DMI type 16, 23 bytes
Physical Memory Array
Location: System Board Or Motherboard
Use: System Memory
Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC
Maximum Capacity: 128 GB
Error Information Handle: 0x0008
Number Of Devices: 4
Handle 0x000A, DMI type 19, 31 bytes
Memory Array Mapped Address
Starting Address: 0x00000000000
Ending Address: 0x000BFFFFFFF
Range Size: 3 GB
Physical Array Handle: 0x0009
Partition Width: 1
Handle 0x000B, DMI type 19, 31 bytes
Memory Array Mapped Address
Starting Address: 0x00100000000
Ending Address: 0x0043FFFFFFF
Range Size: 13 GB
Physical Array Handle: 0x0009
Partition Width: 1
Handle 0x000C, DMI type 7, 27 bytes
Cache Information
Socket Designation: L1 - Cache
Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1
Operational Mode: Write Back
Location: Internal
Installed Size: 512 kB
Maximum Size: 512 kB
Supported SRAM Types:
Pipeline Burst
Installed SRAM Type: Pipeline Burst
Speed: 1 ns
Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC
System Type: Unified
Associativity: 8-way Set-associative
Handle 0x000D, DMI type 7, 27 bytes
Cache Information
Socket Designation: L2 - Cache
Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 2
Operational Mode: Write Back
Location: Internal
Installed Size: 4 MB
Maximum Size: 4 MB
Supported SRAM Types:
Pipeline Burst
Installed SRAM Type: Pipeline Burst
Speed: 1 ns
Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC
System Type: Unified
Associativity: 8-way Set-associative
Handle 0x000E, DMI type 7, 27 bytes
Cache Information
Socket Designation: L3 - Cache
Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 3
Operational Mode: Write Back
Location: Internal
Installed Size: 32 MB
Maximum Size: 32 MB
Supported SRAM Types:
Pipeline Burst
Installed SRAM Type: Pipeline Burst
Speed: 1 ns
Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC
System Type: Unified
Associativity: 16-way Set-associative
Handle 0x000F, DMI type 4, 48 bytes
Processor Information
Socket Designation: AM4
Type: Central Processor
Family: Zen
Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
ID: 12 0F A2 00 FF FB 8B 17
Signature: Family 25, Model 33, Stepping 2
Flags:
FPU (Floating-point unit on-chip)
VME (Virtual mode extension)
DE (Debugging extension)
PSE (Page size extension)
TSC (Time stamp counter)
MSR (Model specific registers)
PAE (Physical address extension)
MCE (Machine check exception)
CX8 (CMPXCHG8 instruction supported)
APIC (On-chip APIC hardware supported)
SEP (Fast system call)
MTRR (Memory type range registers)
PGE (Page global enable)
MCA (Machine check architecture)
CMOV (Conditional move instruction supported)
PAT (Page attribute table)
PSE-36 (36-bit page size extension)
CLFSH (CLFLUSH instruction supported)
MMX (MMX technology supported)
FXSR (FXSAVE and FXSTOR instructions supported)
SSE (Streaming SIMD extensions)
SSE2 (Streaming SIMD extensions 2)
HTT (Multi-threading)
Version: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 8-Core Processor
Voltage: 1.1 V
External Clock: 100 MHz
Max Speed: 4650 MHz
Current Speed: 3400 MHz
Status: Populated, Enabled
Upgrade: Socket AM4
L1 Cache Handle: 0x000C
L2 Cache Handle: 0x000D
L3 Cache Handle: 0x000E
Serial Number: Unknown
Asset Tag: Unknown
Part Number: Unknown
Core Count: 8
Core Enabled: 8
Thread Count: 16
Characteristics:
64-bit capable
Multi-Core
Hardware Thread
Execute Protection
Enhanced Virtualization
Power/Performance Control
Handle 0x0010, DMI type 18, 23 bytes
32-bit Memory Error Information
Type: OK
Granularity: Unknown
Operation: Unknown
Vendor Syndrome: Unknown
Memory Array Address: Unknown
Device Address: Unknown
Resolution: Unknown
Handle 0x0011, DMI type 17, 92 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0009
Error Information Handle: 0x0010
Total Width: Unknown
Data Width: Unknown
Size: No Module Installed
Form Factor: Unknown
Set: None
Locator: DIMM 0
Bank Locator: P0 CHANNEL A
Type: Unknown
Type Detail: Unknown
Handle 0x0012, DMI type 18, 23 bytes
32-bit Memory Error Information
Type: OK
Granularity: Unknown
Operation: Unknown
Vendor Syndrome: Unknown
Memory Array Address: Unknown
Device Address: Unknown
Resolution: Unknown
Handle 0x0013, DMI type 17, 92 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0009
Error Information Handle: 0x0012
Total Width: 72 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 16 GB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: DIMM 1
Bank Locator: P0 CHANNEL A
Type: DDR4
Type Detail: Synchronous Unbuffered (Unregistered)
Speed: 2400 MT/s
Manufacturer: Samsung
Serial Number: 35A871F8
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: M391A2K43BB1-CRC
Rank: 2
Configured Memory Speed: 2400 MT/s
Minimum Voltage: 1.2 V
Maximum Voltage: 1.2 V
Configured Voltage: 1.2 V
Memory Technology: DRAM
Memory Operating Mode Capability: Volatile memory
Firmware Version: Unknown
Module Manufacturer ID: Bank 1, Hex 0xCE
Module Product ID: Unknown
Memory Subsystem Controller Manufacturer ID: Unknown
Memory Subsystem Controller Product ID: Unknown
Non-Volatile Size: None
Volatile Size: 16 GB
Cache Size: None
Logical Size: None
Handle 0x0014, DMI type 20, 35 bytes
Memory Device Mapped Address
Starting Address: 0x00000000000
Ending Address: 0x003FFFFFFFF
Range Size: 16 GB
Physical Device Handle: 0x0013
Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x000B
Partition Row Position: Unknown
Interleave Position: Unknown
Interleaved Data Depth: Unknown
Handle 0x0015, DMI type 18, 23 bytes
32-bit Memory Error Information
Type: OK
Granularity: Unknown
Operation: Unknown
Vendor Syndrome: Unknown
Memory Array Address: Unknown
Device Address: Unknown
Resolution: Unknown
Handle 0x0016, DMI type 17, 92 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0009
Error Information Handle: 0x0015
Total Width: Unknown
Data Width: Unknown
Size: No Module Installed
Form Factor: Unknown
Set: None
Locator: DIMM 0
Bank Locator: P0 CHANNEL B
Type: Unknown
Type Detail: Unknown
Handle 0x0017, DMI type 18, 23 bytes
32-bit Memory Error Information
Type: OK
Granularity: Unknown
Operation: Unknown
Vendor Syndrome: Unknown
Memory Array Address: Unknown
Device Address: Unknown
Resolution: Unknown
Handle 0x0018, DMI type 17, 92 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0009
Error Information Handle: 0x0017
Total Width: Unknown
Data Width: Unknown
Size: No Module Installed
Form Factor: Unknown
Set: None
Locator: DIMM 1
Bank Locator: P0 CHANNEL B
Type: Unknown
Type Detail: Unknown
Handle 0x0019, DMI type 13, 22 bytes
BIOS Language Information
Language Description Format: Long
Installable Languages: 1
en|US|iso8859-1
Currently Installed Language: en|US|iso8859-1
Handle 0x001A, DMI type 127, 4 bytes
End Of TableNever mind, I'm stupid. B450 means no PCIe 4 support. Both slots are PCIe 3.
First is full x16, second x8 with electricly connected x4 only:
First is full x16, second x8 with electricly connected x4 only:
But the weird thing is that now ECC started working as soon as I unplugged the Graphics Card I was using to troubleshoot.
Let me try that onboard VGA Sucker now with the 5700X instead of the 2600X where it didn't want to work at all ...
Until you want to play with graphic card, 100Gbit networking or something. I wanted them because they are somewhat “modern”. Considering all the costs arround, I could have much more cheaper complete servers with PCIe 3 support
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Yeah even already at 10-20pcs you can get complete xeon v3/v4 servers (other than cpu/ram/storage) with pcie3 in the 30-50€ area.Until you want to play with graphic card, 100Gbit networking or something. I wanted them because they are somewhat “modern”. Considering all the costs arround, I could have much more cheaper complete servers with PCIe 3 support
With hbas, 10gbe nics etc
(Ive grabbed some stacks of scalable in the 100€ area but that is a bit more rare.)
The downside is that you are looking at a 30-50w higher power consumption per unit, but if your power rates are okay that will still be bigger savings in hardware cost than the added power cost.
Fell for temptation and picked up a pair of gigabyte R181-2A0 gen 1/2 scalable at 115£/ea today to try them out.
Hopefully not too bad consumption.
Possible as well ... But the VGA only outputs a blinking Cursor now. The VGA was working fine though before in Linux Lightdm Login Manager I rebooted the System (which I previously booted without GPU and with NIC).
Weird weird weird ... Maybe still good after all though
EDIT 1: VGA Output works also in BIOS. Took FOREVER to start displaying anything, was stuck at BIOS Code B2 !
EDIT 2: Proof. But I still cannot see anything more than before
But at least for the 2nd Time it still works
Code:
root@LiveUbuntu02:~# sudo dmidecode -t memory | grep -i 'error correction'
Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC
root@LiveUbuntu02:~# dmesg | grep -i edac
[ 0.648230] EDAC MC: Ver: 3.0.0
[ 6.599318] EDAC MC0: Giving out device to module amd64_edac controller F19h_M20h: DEV 0000:00:18.3 (INTERRUPT)
[ 6.599321] EDAC amd64: F19h_M20h detected (node 0).
[ 6.599325] EDAC MC: UMC0 chip selects:
[ 6.599326] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 0MB 1: 0MB
[ 6.599328] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 0MB 3: 0MB
[ 6.599331] EDAC MC: UMC1 chip selects:
[ 6.599332] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 0MB 1: 0MB
[ 6.599333] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 8192MB 3: 8192MB
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Are you talking about a PCIe riser for M.2? Those are really cheap from China, I know which models work best. Let me know how many you're trying to get and I'll find one for you on AliExpress. Keep in mind though, one huge issue with the ones from China is that it's 50/50 chance they send you the wrong ones. So basically you throw $3 per riser at it until they send the right SKU.Don't tell me. I might manage to get a Chassis fairly Cheap, but the Riser alone is 16-30 EUR / each on top
And I'd say about... 0.5% catastrophic failure rate on them over several years. We've had more NVMe SSDs fail than the risers.
I'll add this to my list of things to try to also look for while I'm trying to fix the USB, seems like since USB is through CPU as well it might end up being closely related.
OK, so it is like @RolloZ170 said.
You need a COMPLETE Poweroff (don't know for how long exactly, give it at least 30 Seconds with the Power Cord DETACHED).
I rebooted with the Graphics Card installed and it still works with ECC. And I still can't see these Menus that should exist in the BIOS ...
Note that I am on BIOS L2.12 now. But BIOS update alone did NOT fix this !
I used the Scripts inside the SSP Subfolder. Boot into UEFI Shell. Run
Note: feel free to download
It still sucks that nothing shows up in the BIOS Menu. But I guess this is better than nothing, right ?
EDIT 1: maybe also worth trying with JUST the BIOS Update + Poweroff. But from what I recall from @ALinden, that didn't seem to work. Not sure if he did a complete Power Off though ...
EDIT 2: @ALinden, @azee: can you try the Procedure with the Poweroff as Indicated in this Post ? I'm NOT getting the Menu showing up in BIOS but ECC seems to have started working now !
EDIT 3: Procedure now Copied and somewhat better formatted on GitHub Repository
github.com
You need a COMPLETE Poweroff (don't know for how long exactly, give it at least 30 Seconds with the Power Cord DETACHED).
I rebooted with the Graphics Card installed and it still works with ECC. And I still can't see these Menus that should exist in the BIOS ...
Note that I am on BIOS L2.12 now. But BIOS update alone did NOT fix this !
Code:
root@LiveUbuntu02:~# sudo dmidecode -t memory | grep -i 'error correction'
Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC
root@LiveUbuntu02:~# dmesg | grep -i edac
[ 0.650354] EDAC MC: Ver: 3.0.0
[ 6.543072] EDAC MC0: Giving out device to module amd64_edac controller F19h_M20h: DEV 0000:00:18.3 (INTERRUPT)
[ 6.543076] EDAC amd64: F19h_M20h detected (node 0).
[ 6.543080] EDAC MC: UMC0 chip selects:
[ 6.543082] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 0MB 1: 0MB
[ 6.543084] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 0MB 3: 0MB
[ 6.543088] EDAC MC: UMC1 chip selects:
[ 6.543089] EDAC amd64: MC: 0: 0MB 1: 0MB
[ 6.543091] EDAC amd64: MC: 2: 8192MB 3: 8192MBpatch.nsh. Reboot with reset. Boot into UEFI Shell. Run read.nsh. Shutdown. Disconnect Power Cord for at least 30 Seconds. Boot into Debian/Ubuntu and check dmesg / dmidecode.Note: feel free to download
setup_var.efi from the Official Github Page, you don't need to use the one that I provided if you don't trust it. I just don't want starting to have to edit Subfolders and whatnot or Upload the 8 Patch + Read Scripts individually depending on what CPU we want to test against.It still sucks that nothing shows up in the BIOS Menu. But I guess this is better than nothing, right
?EDIT 1: maybe also worth trying with JUST the BIOS Update + Poweroff. But from what I recall from @ALinden, that didn't seem to work. Not sure if he did a complete Power Off though ...
EDIT 2: @ALinden, @azee: can you try the Procedure with the Poweroff as Indicated in this Post ? I'm NOT getting the Menu showing up in BIOS but ECC seems to have started working now !
EDIT 3: Procedure now Copied and somewhat better formatted on GitHub Repository
ASRock-B450D4U-V1LQ5/patch-bios-settings/ECC-Unblocker/README.md at main · luckylinux/ASRock-B450D4U-V1LQ5
Tools to make the 2nd Hand ASRock B450D4U-V1LQ5 work correctly - luckylinux/ASRock-B450D4U-V1LQ5
github.com
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Ive bought alot of them and they have always been easy to deal with and fair on pricing.Good Seller
I think my only issue was buying something like 10 lots of 4 psus and they shipped 10pcs instead of 40pcs, but they shipped the rest when i let them know.
Got a few other servers from them on the way also
il probably keep one cisco and flip the rest, got one of those driveless stripped down T42S-2U without cpus that will get 8x 4114 out of them as they get better cpus.
Or get something like this:
12x NVMe in 1U for this price is fine. I’ll bet they offer much better price since they have lot of them and stock does not decrease
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12x NVMe in 1U for this price is fine. I’ll bet they offer much better price since they have lot of them and stock does not decrease
Id expect it to be a bit bigger market since outside EU, i commonly hear from buyers that they do not want to deal with imports etc themself.
There is also a significantly lower power cost that id expect to help some.
Im only selling on a hobbyscale to get toys for my lab and cover "investments" into the lab with its profits.
When i do have more time i will try to scale it up tho, but realisticly id need to do drives along with targeting more than just Norway.
It's completely Stupid, I agree. There is IMHO no Technical Reason why a Motherboard should not work with ECC Enabled with a 5700X ...
After all, the Memory Controller these Days (and for a long Time actually) it's on/in the CPU !
There can be several Reasons, with higher or lower degree of Intent and Incompetence:
- Possibly some Size Limitation on the BIOS Chip (I didn't check myself, but L2.12 is claimed to only Support 3000/5000), although I doubt this explains why a HUGE Menu is getting hidden by this CPU
- Somebody ***** up the BIOS and nobody checked if ECC was actually enabled (via
dmidecode or dmesg | grep -i edac)- Some Sales Person decided to hold off ECC Support as a "smart" Way to get Hosting Company to forcefully upgrade their Motherboards when they started buying Ryzen 5000 Series CPU. IMHO they shot themselves in the Foot doing that ...
At the End of the Day does it really Matter if it's Evil, Stupid or Evil+Stupid ?
Either you go on live with it (your Choice !), ask ASRock for a BIOS Fix (which, to another User on Reddit, said they are NOT going to do, since this is a Custom Motherboard for Hetzner) or try to fix it yourself (like I tried).
We can argue all Day long why this is ********, we will not solve it like that. It is NOT working with ECC on 5600X and 5700X by Default, tested on L2.09 (me & ALinden), L2.11 (azee) and L2.12 (me & ALinden). That is a Fact. If you want, you can try ask ASRock why their Quality Department is non-existent.
I don't know, I have a AX101 at Hetzner and that is on an ASUS Motherboard, not ASROCK, so not sure ...
Did anybody check if ECC was actually working ? The problem is that the System boots correctly with ECC Memory, it just won't have the ECC Feature enabled.
And unless you happen to catch it while you are having 1 Bit Flip once per year (which, in most Cases, is not *that* Critical, unless it happens at exactly the wrong Place, as in Murphy's Law) causing some Serious Corruption in your 100 Million EUR Mission Critical Database or whatever, then it will go unnoticed. The other Scenario of course is if your Memory is faulty and has A LOT OF ERRORS, then your entire Server will start corrupting Data in Memory and on Disk all the Time. If that didn't happen or if somebody didn't notice, then again the Issue went unnoticed.
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Netapp use those for solidfire, they do appear in small quantities now and then as 12nvme spec at fairly decent prices.Or get something like this:
QuantaGrid D52B-1U 12SFF Configurable Server: 256GB RAM, 2x Xeon Gold CPU | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for QuantaGrid D52B-1U 12SFF Configurable Server: 256GB RAM, 2x Xeon Gold CPU at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!www.ebay.com
12x NVMe in 1U for this price is fine. I’ll bet they offer much better price since they have lot of them and stock does not decrease
(They also use them as pure compute nodes without backplane, so make sure to check pictures that they are there)
I grabbed 4 of them last year at 50£/ea with caddys and 2x 128gb satadoms in each.
