AMD Ryzen Threadripper Gen 2 Launches with 12 to 32 Cores

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zir_blazer

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The absolute slam dunk would have been if AMD Ryzen Threadripper Gen 2 went to 1 DIMM per channel with RDIMM support.
Wouldn't that be 1 channel per die instead of 1 DIMM per channel?

Also, I don't know if your RDIMM wish is even teorically possible... ...unless you know something we don't, which is highly probable :p
The Control part of the Bus has different wiring to the DDR Slots so they connect to the buffer chip in the module instead of directly to the DRAM chips (Albeit you can make a hybrid Motherboard that supports both UDIMM and RDIMM, like Supermicro did for at least some of their Xeons E5 platform). If such wiring is not present in the current Motherboards, even if AMD decided to allow ThreadRipper to also be able to use RDIMM, you would still need a new Motherboard. Perhaps by the same reason it is impossible to go down to 1 channel per die with the same amount of slots in a backwards compatible manner, the Motherboards aren't wired that way. I suppose that it should have been possible to implement such solution if AMD redesigned the ThreadRipper package to change how the dies are wired to the memory pins.


As much as I love Zen and all the praises that AMD is getting, I still think that AMD take on its platforms is like an afterthough (Like AM4 getting only 24 PCIe Lanes instead of the full 32 that Zen has, one of the mains reasons why I can't stand it. Not using the built in 10G MAC is also a capital sin, albeit after some research it seems that the 10G PHY are rare. Still waiting to see what a fully geared Embedded Ryzen V1000 used as pure SoC scaling up to mATX can do...). Wouldn't it have been better to get ThreadRipper running as a 100% compatible subset of EPYC? I mean, some type of platform flexibility, like you had in LGA2011-3, where you could plug a single Xeon E5 in a Dual Socket Motherboard and get it to work but with half the Motherboard I/O dead, or with ECC support depending on if you are using a Core i7 or Xeon. I think I have hear about a single Core i7 being usable on Dual Socket Motherboards, but don't recall in which generation that worked (Yes, I know, that is a last resort measure and not the intended way to use the platform).
For example, suppose that any SP3 Motherboard has its critical I/O coming from the first and second dies, so that any Motherboard could boot with the original ThreadRipper. The third and fourth dies are non critical expansion. If in a Motherboard intended for EPYC you plug a ThreadRipper, it works but you miss third and fourth dies I/O including Memory Slots, but if you do it the other way and plug a fully enabled EPYC in a scaled down ThreadRipper Motherboard, you get the current ThreadRipper 2.0 with two pure compute dies with no I/O.
Somehow it seems that either AMD never had that plan, or that they couldn't even plan for it because it didn't expected a product like ThreadRipper.
 
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They could do 8x channel 1 DPC in the same footprint but you are right, it would require different motherboards. The 2990WX is still a $1800 chip, so $300 less than the 7551P.
 
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will this 2990wx be faster than the dual 2696 v3 set up i have which gets 4300 on cinebench? I bought my dual 2696 v3 for $1400 like a 1.5 yr ago.
 

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Just ran it on my dual E5-2699v3 system, its fully loaded and used for sometime now.
Yeah TR2 gets a pretty good score.
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They could do 8x channel 1 DPC in the same footprint but you are right, it would require different motherboards. The 2990WX is still a $1800 chip, so $300 less than the 7551P.
Actually, I think that I got that wrong. 8 slots @ 2 DPC, 2 channels per die, 2 dies in old TR vs 8 slots @ 1 DPC, 2 channels per die, 4 dies in your proposal. For some reason, I interpreted something else...
300$ doesn't seem THAT much when you get twice the RAM, and PCIe Lanes. Is the low Frequencies what annoys me from EPYC. However, AnandTech did an analysis of Infinity Fabric power consumption and it seems that it adds a lot, so that may explain a thing or two about EPYC low Frequencies...


will this 2990wx be faster than the dual 2696 v3 set up i have which gets 4300 on cinebench? I bought my dual 2696 v3 for $1400 like a 1.5 yr ago.
Remember that the four die TR2 have two dies with no I/O, not even local memory. Some compute heavy memory light applications scales very well, others not so much. Moreover, the OS that you use matters a lot. I have seen some Windows 10 bashing recently precisely because it doesn't seem to handle well NUMA nodes with no local memory thus performs worse than the old TR, whereas Linux does play nice with such config and scales much better.
 

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Just ran it on my dual E5-2699v3 system, its fully loaded and used for sometime now.
Yeah TR2 gets a pretty good score.
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You only getting 3600? that's kinda low. i got around 3600 with dual 2686 v3 ES. the dual 2696 v3 ES was faster at 4300.

Still wondering what kind of cinebench we will sse from 2990. 1950X got 3000 for cinebench.... i would certainly hope that they would get at least 5000 for the 32 cores?
 

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Yeah was just a lazy attempt at it. Like I said my system has been running for a long time and pretty well used.
 

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Here is Cinebench R15 from older reviews of mine, from back in TweakTown days using the E5-2699v3.

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Here is Cinebench R15 from older reviews of mine, from back in TweakTown days using the E5-2699v3.

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Wonder what's up with the gigabyte MB slow speed. I used Asus Z10PE MB and got 4300 for my pair of 2696 v3....

So anyone thinks the 2990 TR2 v2 cpu will be above 5000 for cinebench? that would make it by far the fastest single socket cpu you can get for a reasonable price.
 

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There are plenty of benchmarks out there with this CPU running Cinebench R15. It is one of the things it does relatively well.
5000 points are no problem.
 

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why does cinebench have credibility as a benchmark? are you all using raytracers for what you do?
 

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Wonder what's up with the gigabyte MB slow speed. I used Asus Z10PE MB and got 4300 for my pair of 2696 v3....

So anyone thinks the 2990 TR2 v2 cpu will be above 5000 for cinebench? that would make it by far the fastest single socket cpu you can get for a reasonable price.
Mostly pre-released motherboards with early BIOS's. Keep in mind that some vendors tune BIOS's for different things, like VM's or others.
Those are the same CPU's I am running in my rig now, same RAM also.
 

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why does cinebench have credibility as a benchmark? are you all using raytracers for what you do?

Like all benchmarks, it's imperfect for "real world" testing unless you happen to do a lot of video rendering. It's just a good way to test for multi-core performance across platforms. It's not any more or less useful than game or office workload benchmarks.

TR2 is an interesting beast. Having 2 dies with no direct RAM is an odd configuration. It's also interesting that Linux seems to handle this situation better than Windows. Of course, Linux has been scaled to all sorts of oddball hardware, it could just be something that they have run into before.

As someone watching releases to decide if I want a new workstation, I can't decide if I would want to buy this.
 

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hmm, i think we are going to start seeing a lot of of this type of problem with a lot more software as we get into beyond 32 total cores. I was seeing already some effect like this even with the 2986 v3 dual cpu with 36 cores total.
 
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I want it..............I need it...............I can't afford it............LOL