AMD Naples – Competition Re-Ignites as Zen Hits the Server Market

Discussion in 'STH Main Site Posts' started by Patrick Kennedy, Mar 7, 2017.

Page 1 of 2
  1. Patrick Kennedy

    Patrick Kennedy Guest

    We finally get to share details on AMD Naples server platform. AMD will be back in the game competing with Intel for x86 server market share!

    The post AMD Naples – Competition Re-Ignites as Zen Hits the Server Market appeared first on ServeTheHome.

    Related posts:
    1. Microsoft Windows Server 2016 hits general availability
    2. Q1 2014 Server Market Share – IBM-Lenovo Impact
    3. Storage News Roundup: Q4’2010 Hard Drive Market Analysis, Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 SP1 RTM, OCZ 25nm NAND Debacle, Microsoft-Nokia
    4. Sub-$10K NAS Market Spikes, Hitachi’s Cloud Storage, Adaptec 6-Series Win
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Continue reading...
     
    #1
    Patrick Kennedy, Mar 7, 2017
    William, gigatexal and eva2000 like this.
  2. marcoi

    marcoi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,334
    Likes Received:
    205
    looks sweet. I wonder what the pricing will be. for us home users will we need to wait 3-5 years before we can afford a zen system? Do they have any lower lines like e3- vs e5 etc planned? It would be nice to get a lower powered cpu with 128 pci lanes for IO home builds.
     
    #2
    marcoi, Mar 7, 2017
  3. Patrick

    Patrick Administrator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2010
    Messages:
    11,569
    Likes Received:
    4,509
    My sense is we are going to see Ryzen for low-end servers.
     
    #3
    Patrick, Mar 7, 2017
  4. marcoi

    marcoi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2013
    Messages:
    1,334
    Likes Received:
    205
    any sense yet on pricing model for new zen based servers?
     
    #4
    marcoi, Mar 7, 2017
  5. i386

    i386 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,681
    Likes Received:
    411
    128 pcie 3.0 lanes ~ 123 gbyte/s :eek:
     
    #5
    i386, Mar 7, 2017
  6. Logan

    Logan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2017
    Messages:
    56
    Likes Received:
    7
    Naples power consumption?
     
    #6
    Logan, Mar 7, 2017
  7. PigLover

    PigLover Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    2,775
    Likes Received:
    1,116
    More than just power consumption - environmental profile data needed. Power, Heat generated, Temperature tolerance, etc. Need to understand how these would stack into older generation data centers with limited capabilities (think 10kw/rack densities).
     
    #7
    PigLover, Mar 7, 2017
  8. eva2000

    eva2000 Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2013
    Messages:
    242
    Likes Received:
    48
    here's hoping there's a AMD Naples variant with a bit more muscle :)
     
    #8
    eva2000, Mar 7, 2017
  9. gigatexal

    gigatexal I'm here to learn

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,697
    Likes Received:
    500
    I like the IO profile but 4 ryzen 7 chips on a chip will mean to hit TDP projections the whole thing will have to be clocked lower.

    Also when two chips are in a system IO lanes don't go up from 128 I find that a bit odd. So the infinity fabric consumes half the lanes for chip to chip comms and then the same total 128 lanes (64 per chip) go to the rest of the system?

    If it can be clocked at >= 3Ghz then a single Naples chip has my name on it.
     
    #9
    gigatexal, Mar 7, 2017
    Jaket likes this.
  10. eva2000

    eva2000 Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2013
    Messages:
    242
    Likes Received:
    48
    ooh that's a question, can AMD Naples cpus be overclocked ?
     
    #10
    eva2000, Mar 7, 2017
  11. Patrick

    Patrick Administrator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2010
    Messages:
    11,569
    Likes Received:
    4,509
    I do think these are going to be clocked lower. Some of the next-gen Xeon Phi's and Skylake-EP chips that are 300W+ TDP people have HUGE heatsinks for to cool in a 1U, especially if you are trying to fit 8 of them in a 1U. Most of those are going under water.

    It stands to reason that if you had a Ryzen R7 1700 at 65W TDP, you might expect 4x = 260W which would be high.

    If you look at the heatsink in the server we saw at Tech Day, you will see that they are relatively small for the chassis. Certainly not what we see on 200w+ TDP chips.

    On the actual environmental facts, sorry guys. AMD was not keen to let me prod them, yet, but hopefully will get on them soon.
     
    #11
    Patrick, Mar 7, 2017
    eva2000 likes this.
  12. TType85

    TType85 Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2014
    Messages:
    594
    Likes Received:
    167
    Is there a E3 that can really out muscle a Ryzen 7 cpu? Assuming a "server" board comes out that has IPMI I don't see an advantage of a E3, both will support 64GB ECC (UDimm). The E3 might have a small advantage on single core though.
     
    #12
    TType85, Mar 7, 2017
  13. Patriot

    Patriot Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2011
    Messages:
    1,279
    Likes Received:
    658
    That is a pipe dream... Intel can't even have 22 cores barely over 2...
     
    #13
    Patriot, Mar 7, 2017
    gigatexal likes this.
  14. gigatexal

    gigatexal I'm here to learn

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,697
    Likes Received:
    500

    Attached Files:

    #14
    gigatexal, Mar 7, 2017
    eva2000 and Patrick like this.
  15. gigatexal

    gigatexal I'm here to learn

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,697
    Likes Received:
    500
    If they can match intel in clocks then I think the AWS and other cloud providers might switch to Naples for not AVX intense workloads as it would mean every core in a cloud instance just got a lot cheaper. or intel to keep market share would just drop prices.
     
    #15
    gigatexal, Mar 7, 2017
  16. eva2000

    eva2000 Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2013
    Messages:
    242
    Likes Received:
    48
    260W in 1U would be hard to handle i suppose. I know OVH R&D staff already posted photos of them testing AMD Ryzen 7 offerings probably for their OVH Gaming line. They already have runabove lab for Intel Core i7 7700K clocked at 4.7-5.0Ghz i7 Game servers - RunAbove
    Maybe E5-1680v4 Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1680 v4 (20M Cache, 3.40 GHz) Product Specifications ?
     
    #16
    eva2000, Mar 7, 2017
  17. Patrick

    Patrick Administrator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2010
    Messages:
    11,569
    Likes Received:
    4,509
    Thanks for the share @gigatexal

    Much appreciated.
     
    #17
    Patrick, Mar 7, 2017
    gigatexal likes this.
  18. OBasel

    OBasel Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    494
    Likes Received:
    62
    Looks sick. What's the pricing?
     
    #18
    OBasel, Mar 7, 2017
  19. gigatexal

    gigatexal I'm here to learn

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,697
    Likes Received:
    500
    I'm chomping at the bit to know this and frequency too.
     
    #19
    gigatexal, Mar 7, 2017
  20. TType85

    TType85 Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2014
    Messages:
    594
    Likes Received:
    167
    The E5-1680v4 is a $2000 chip. I wonder if there will be a Naples equivalent workstation chip?

    Part of the problem I see is Ryzen does not really compete apples to apples with Intel. Ryzen is a great chip, competes the HEDT i7's for performance but is gimped on the PCIe lanes like the mainstream chips.
     
    #20
    TType85, Mar 7, 2017
    MESSERCHMIDT, Patriot and gigatexal like this.
Page 1 of 2
Similar Threads: Naples Competition
Forum Title Date
STH Main Site Posts AMD EPYC Naples Memory Population Performance Impact Jul 31, 2018
STH Main Site Posts AMD EPYC is the New AMD Zen Based Server Brand for Naples May 16, 2017
STH Main Site Posts Second AMD Naples Server Pictures and Platform Block Diagram 112 PCIe Lanes Exposed! Apr 6, 2017

Share This Page