AMD Naples – Competition Re-Ignites as Zen Hits the Server Market

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    looks sweet. I wonder what the pricing will be. for us home users will we need to wait 3-5 years before we can afford a zen system? Do they have any lower lines like e3- vs e5 etc planned? It would be nice to get a lower powered cpu with 128 pci lanes for IO home builds.
     
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    My sense is we are going to see Ryzen for low-end servers.
     
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    any sense yet on pricing model for new zen based servers?
     
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    128 pcie 3.0 lanes ~ 123 gbyte/s :eek:
     
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    Naples power consumption?
     
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    More than just power consumption - environmental profile data needed. Power, Heat generated, Temperature tolerance, etc. Need to understand how these would stack into older generation data centers with limited capabilities (think 10kw/rack densities).
     
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    here's hoping there's a AMD Naples variant with a bit more muscle :)
     
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  8. gigatexal

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    I like the IO profile but 4 ryzen 7 chips on a chip will mean to hit TDP projections the whole thing will have to be clocked lower.

    Also when two chips are in a system IO lanes don't go up from 128 I find that a bit odd. So the infinity fabric consumes half the lanes for chip to chip comms and then the same total 128 lanes (64 per chip) go to the rest of the system?

    If it can be clocked at >= 3Ghz then a single Naples chip has my name on it.
     
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    ooh that's a question, can AMD Naples cpus be overclocked ?
     
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    I do think these are going to be clocked lower. Some of the next-gen Xeon Phi's and Skylake-EP chips that are 300W+ TDP people have HUGE heatsinks for to cool in a 1U, especially if you are trying to fit 8 of them in a 1U. Most of those are going under water.

    It stands to reason that if you had a Ryzen R7 1700 at 65W TDP, you might expect 4x = 260W which would be high.

    If you look at the heatsink in the server we saw at Tech Day, you will see that they are relatively small for the chassis. Certainly not what we see on 200w+ TDP chips.

    On the actual environmental facts, sorry guys. AMD was not keen to let me prod them, yet, but hopefully will get on them soon.
     
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    Is there a E3 that can really out muscle a Ryzen 7 cpu? Assuming a "server" board comes out that has IPMI I don't see an advantage of a E3, both will support 64GB ECC (UDimm). The E3 might have a small advantage on single core though.
     
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    That is a pipe dream... Intel can't even have 22 cores barely over 2...
     
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    If they can match intel in clocks then I think the AWS and other cloud providers might switch to Naples for not AVX intense workloads as it would mean every core in a cloud instance just got a lot cheaper. or intel to keep market share would just drop prices.
     
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    260W in 1U would be hard to handle i suppose. I know OVH R&D staff already posted photos of them testing AMD Ryzen 7 offerings probably for their OVH Gaming line. They already have runabove lab for Intel Core i7 7700K clocked at 4.7-5.0Ghz i7 Game servers - RunAbove
    Maybe E5-1680v4 Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1680 v4 (20M Cache, 3.40 GHz) Product Specifications ?
     
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    Thanks for the share @gigatexal

    Much appreciated.
     
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    Looks sick. What's the pricing?
     
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  18. gigatexal

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    I'm chomping at the bit to know this and frequency too.
     
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    The E5-1680v4 is a $2000 chip. I wonder if there will be a Naples equivalent workstation chip?

    Part of the problem I see is Ryzen does not really compete apples to apples with Intel. Ryzen is a great chip, competes the HEDT i7's for performance but is gimped on the PCIe lanes like the mainstream chips.
     
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