Is there any proof that these Chiphell forum posters are paid AMD operatives? I highly doubt that. Seems like a typical case of fanboy-ism to me. Fanboys have existed in every subject for as long as the internet has existed. Who cares? Let’s just pick the platform that works best for our needs at the time of build, and move on.
Is there any proof that these Chiphell forum posters are paid AMD operatives? I highly doubt that. Seems like a typical case of fanboy-ism to me. Fanboys have existed in every subject for as long as the internet has existed. Who cares? Let’s just pick the platform that works best for our needs at the time of build, and move on.
I find it very hard to believe that AMD, which is many times smaller than Intel, and did not have/probably still doesn’t have a PR department throwing a lot of money to influence the public perception, would hire random forum posters anywhere China or Western forums to influence the narrative. If anyone has actual proof I’m more than happy to change my mind on that.
I’m well aware that in China the fanboyism is quite strong. There may be various reasons for that, which I decline to go into in public to protect China-side people. This doesn’t change the fact that it’s still fanboyism and not constructive to the larger conversation. Fanboyism is characterized by overly passionate shouting down others who don’t agree, exaggerating good points, and downplaying or often ignoring bad points. It is not rational, nor does it help anyone including the posters understand the strengths and weaknesses of a particular platform.
I think those upset at architecture changes to be entirely missing the point.I don’t understand why anyone can expect HEDT platforms to have socket compatibility across multiple generations. These are professional systems that are often purpose built by either big integrators or white box by smaller integrators like me. Professional workstations for actual clients are designed for the needs of the lifetime of the use case, and specified accordingly. Sometimes “and then some” added for future proofing.
I understand that there are also enthusiast users of HEDT platforms, but to expect multi-generational support is going a bit too far, for either Intel or AMD. With HEDT CPUs costing $2,000-7,000 USD easily, what is the huge gripe at that point about upgrading a motherboard platform that costs much less? The HEDT market is incredibly small. Traditionally it’s been an afterthought market segment where server platforms are adapted to those who need high performance workstations.
It is usually in a company’s profit interest to have a platform retain some form of upgradeability, but that is only to capture sales from users who don’t want to upgrade their entire system to a new platform. Otherwise it’s obvious a company will rather have a user upgrade the entire platform. If someone can say AMD is a profit motivated entity, what does that say about Intel? They are both for profit entities.
A better, and more constructive way to do things is to architect a system for the use needed, with the available components. I believe, and have seen it happen over and over that companies respond to how users use their systems as long as there is profit to be made. For example, after the Pentium III era I was on Athlon XP/MP through Athlon/Opteron 64/X2. Then I was on Core derived platforms for over 10 years, until AMD forced Intel to increase core counts. Subsequently I’m on Zen derived platforms, but my upcoming NAS will probably be an Intel platform.
Opinions becomes real when there is proof. And there are really a lot of them.
Now let's prove my point, with my own experience. I don't really like to talk about it, it makes me tired just by looking at these proofs, but something has to be shown.
There are multiple ways to tell a fan from a payed story teller. Let's analyze these in several ways.
1. Are they aiming at silencing people
I'm not talking about using sharp words, I'm talking about "physically" silencing the opposing side, no matter who they are.
For example, these people manage to find almost all my posts and replies and negatively rate them. It's not just about hate, this forum will stop you from posting when your points are less than 100.
But I've posted several reviews before which earned me hundreds of thousands of views and a lot of points, so they failed.
But some others are not that lucky. Like this one.
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And if they can't do it this way? If their side is exposed to be biased? Lock the post then.
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And search their posts, do you see these people doing this when there are no certain brand involved? Perhaps never. Yeah just remove those people so nobody will talk bad.
Perhaps I'm not banned just because of my past contributions to this forum.
2. Do they use a same, organized set of pattern of doing things
Aside from the situation in the first point, here are other patterns I noticed.
①Making up misleading opinions that could convince the crowd, then spam them everywhere.
Things like "Intel will double the price if AMD didn't involve""Intel will forever stuck at 4 core(let's not look at its server lineup)""AMD's next flagship will have 5GHz, 16cores and a price of 2000CNY(before zen3 of course)""AMD has much lower power usage(without mentioning any other conditions)"
Even something like"Intel can't compete any more""Intel will bankrupt".
Of course someone with the most basic knowledges will know these are wrong, but these sounds pretty legit, tbh, expecially when combined with fake data.
②Personal attacks without a point.
Fans will usually state the reasons behind their opinion, before any kind of personal attack if there are. But these people always start with personal attacks,never talk about any real proof. For example, there are a lot of them in this post. They don't even have the knowledge to understand the technical detail I talked about, but they always manage to make thing up for personal attacks.
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BTW they're obviously violating almost every single forum rule there. So I told that mod in question.
Then about that mod I mentioned, he basically said"I don't understand either, but you're wrong. You have no logic, but I can't explain why"
There was also a fanboy there, but when I posted the whole study he agreed with me. You can compare between those people.
And people in NGA talked about this too, also coming with silencing.
Note that these are basically the only living computer hardware related forums in China that isn't as shallow as Tieba.
There are of course many other scenarios, including my friends who did the testing themselves. They all get their own share of reasonless internet violence, even by not using AMD cpus when testing SSDs.
③Picking sides, saying your side is ill-intentioned rather than reasoning
Can also be seen a lot in this post
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④They come in groups and agree with eachother's point, to create a momentum.
Usually start when the previous methods have failed. Don't think this needs an explaination, if you want one, look at the post I referenced above.
You can argue that each single point doesn't definately prove these are 100% payed activities, but together, they really forms a pattern that you can almost predict what they will do next.
3. Do they have past records of payed speech control
A lot. There is a period when Chiphell decided to ban anyone who talk about Yeston and Gigabyte before. They promotes ASUS like crazy. As mentioned before PCEVA and PC426 both have exposed them before. Excavating articles from several years ago is not easy, but I probably will do this, if this topic continues. Just say this is what every veteran PC player know here.
In fact, payed commenters and payed speech control is very common in China. These people was usually called"5-dime""sea navy" here, suggesting their cheap recruitment fee and the massive numbers of posts and replies they made. How cheap? Well even some food companies and mobile phone companies can afford some.
As for payed reviewers, 1500CNY can buy you a very good review article commission. I also happen to have a friend doing this kind of work(but he is not being biased as far as I know). And you can calculate how many well known reviewers they need to buy.
If Chiphell is doing payed speech control, who's paying them? Think you understand.
Just say that you don't know China. I hope I don't have to either.
I'm not saying that the entire Chiphell forum is bad, I'm just aiming at the mod in power who is doing this, as well as the collaborators. I take full responsibility for everything I said, and have everything backed up both in the format of photos and offline pages. If it comes to legal affairs, I'm happy to participate.
Think I've explained enough. If there are other questions about the posts I referenced, you can tell me. Just notice that, don't take what people are saying as is. My part is all started with a simple open box plus discussion post.
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