6TB Hitachi He6 HUS726060ALA640

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MiniKnight

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Those are good drives but if they're all 2014 then that's potentially 1.5-2yrs of use on them.
 

J--

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Weird that there's two sellers selling the same thing w/ the same pics.


edit: same location too, so maybe just a second account
 

Boddy

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He6 are 1st generation drives. Only 64Mb cache (if that means anything) and no 'advanced format' logo on packaging.

He8 are 2nd generation drives with 128 Mb cache. These 2nd generation HGST (according to the marketing material) which includes He8 & 6 TB Ultrastar 7K6000 incorporate RAID 'Rebuild Assist' ("In May 2012, with 3.5-inch hard drive capacities reaching 4TB, the T10 working group approved including Rebuild Assist in the SCSI SBC-3 specification. In August 2013, the SATA-IO committee adopted TPR-045 (Rebuild Assist) as part of the SATA 3.2 specification.") so with a Rebuild Assist supported RAID controller: can copy good data from a failing drive to a new drive and only need to rebuild the 'bad' portion, supposably resulting in quicker rebuild times: https://www.hgst.com/sites/default/...d-Assist-Mode-for-Faster-RAID-Recovery-WP.pdf
 

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Hey, i read that doc recently and the Rebuild Assist looks good. But then comes the issue of having "Rebuild Assist compliant" RAID controllers...i guess they are not cheap?
And for us mdraid (software RAID in Linux) users, i wonder if that helps at all (does anyone know)? :(
 
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Xamayon

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These are 'standard' drives (HUS), not the helium drives (HUH) if that matters to anyone. Not entirely sure what the difference is though, probably just higher temps/power usage. The standard drives seem to have the same helioseal laser welded case, so they are probably sealed from the environment with all the benefits associated with that, whether they are filled with air or helium or whatever else.
 

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These are 'standard' drives (HUS), not the helium drives (HUH) if that matters to anyone. Not entirely sure what the difference is though, probably just higher temps/power usage. The standard drives seem to have the same helioseal laser welded case, so they are probably sealed from the environment with all the benefits associated with that, whether they are filled with air or helium or whatever else.
As far as I know, the HUH prefix didn't pop up until the second generation of the He6, and these are still helium. Think about it from a manufacturer's standpoint, it does not make sense to use a more costly laser welded case when you already have a cheaper off the shelf part unless you need it for some reason (like being filled with helium).
 
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These are 'standard' drives (HUS), not the helium drives (HUH) if that matters to anyone. Not entirely sure what the difference is though, probably just higher temps/power usage. The standard drives seem to have the same helioseal laser welded case, so they are probably sealed from the environment with all the benefits associated with that, whether they are filled with air or helium or whatever else.
I thought all of the He drives were heliosealed and used helium inside. I think this is just the 1st generation of the drive with the 64MB cache. Here is an article about this exact model mentioning that it's helium filled.

HGST Ultrastar Helium 6TB Enterprise Hard Drive Review | StorageReview.com - Storage Reviews
 
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Here's the SMART data, I'm not too savvy on SMART data, any input? Looks like 2500-3700 hours, 300 or so spin ups.

Code:
smartctl 6.4 2014-10-07 r4002 [x86_64-linux-4.4.19-1-pve] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     HGST HUS726060ALA640
Serial Number:    AR1xxxxxxxxxxx
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 232c19c0a
Firmware Version: AHGNT1E2
User Capacity:    6,001,175,126,016 bytes [6.00 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Wed Oct 19 20:43:08 2016 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x84) Offline data collection activity
                                        was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (   57) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        No Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        ( 882) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   100   100   016    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005   131   131   054    Pre-fail  Offline      -       87
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   227   227   024    Pre-fail  Always       -       485 (Average 393)
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       278
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   005    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   067    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0005   100   100   020    Pre-fail  Offline      -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       3708
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   060    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       278
 22 Unknown_Attribute       0x0023   100   100   025    Pre-fail  Always       -       6579300
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       425
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       425
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   214   214   000    Old_age   Always       -       28 (Min/Max 18/75)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0


SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]
Code:
smartctl 6.4 2014-10-07 r4002 [x86_64-linux-4.4.19-1-pve] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     HGST HUS726060ALA640
Serial Number:    AR1xxxxxxxxxxx
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 232c0266d
Firmware Version: AHGNT1E2
User Capacity:    6,001,175,126,016 bytes [6.00 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Wed Oct 19 20:45:48 2016 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x80) Offline data collection activity
                                        was never started.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (   57) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        No Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        ( 882) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   100   100   016    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005   132   132   054    Pre-fail  Offline      -       86
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   189   189   024    Pre-fail  Always       -       529 (Average 529)
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       317
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   005    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   067    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0005   130   130   020    Pre-fail  Offline      -       12
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       2536
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   060    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       317
 22 Unknown_Attribute       0x0023   100   100   025    Pre-fail  Always       -       6579300
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1751
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1751
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   206   206   000    Old_age   Always       -       29 (Min/Max 11/39)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
 

keybored

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425 for load cycle count with 3700 power-on hours seems low... and 278 of those are due to power-on/off events. Could be that the drive was sitting idle all this time or it was under sustained load so it had no opportunity to "rest". I don't see any attributes for LBAs written/read, so can't tell.