4U 24-bay hot Swap chassis? Apparently ZhenLoong has an Amazon importer now... No more $400 S&H to the USA from AliExpress.

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I was doing my monthly "Try to find an AliExpress seller for those 2U 12-bay Inspur SAS/SATA hot-swap enclosures for a reasonable price", and as always, I stopped by the ZhenLoong Ali store page to drool at their reasonably priced 4U servers with outrageous shipping and handling fees.

Then I loaded up my Amazon search for 4U chassis to see what's out there...
...and saw a ZhenLoong chassis on the first page.

These have got to be the most attractive "Dollar Store" hot-swap enclosures out there now.

If you are buying new, these are about half the cost of competitors in 2024.
For a 24-bay SAS/SATA chassis you pay:
  • $428 with the SFF-8087 non-expander backplane
  • $485 with the SFF-8643 non-expander backplane
  • $578 with the SFF-8087 expander backplane
They also have some 4-in-3 and 5-in-3 cage modules that are ALMOST, but not quite, as cheap as the injection molded Rosewill ones at $70.
Except these ones are basically the same as their 24-bay ones.

These must be from an importer and not directly through ZhenLoong since they are all listed as "generic" branding for Amazon purposes.
But that's fine.
No store page, but This Search pulls up their stuff.

Free prime shipping for me (likely all US?)

I'm out of Lab budget for 2024.
I don't need more drive space JUST yet.
And my tentative plan is to upgrade to a top-loading setup eventually anyway.

But it's tempting...


Anyone have experience with these?
 

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No experience with ZhenLoong. Thanks for sharing your find. It looks like their products were only added to Amazon in early August of this year. I found that this Amazon link seems to find everything they're selling there:

I noticed a 2U server form factor and 8-bay desktop cases (up to matx form factor motherboards). They also are offering 5 x 3.5" hard drive modules that insert into 3 x 5-1/4" case bays.

I'm also interested if anyone else has any experience to share regarding their products.
 

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Very interesting.

I've ordered the cheapest one with the SFF-8087 (6 Gbps) non-expander backplane. The delivery window is December 26 to January 17th which strongly suggests it will ship from China. That makes me wonder how they are able to offer a significantly lower price on Amazon US than on Aliexpress.

It looks like these ZhenLoong units have affected the price of the extremely comparable 24 bay RROYJJ chassis which has been on Amazon for a couple years (in fact ZhenLoong's product photos are literally comparing against the chassis currently sold under the RROYJJ name). It is nice to see some more competition in this space.

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I have built storage servers before in:
* A variety of desktop PC cases.
* Rosewill RSV-L4500U (4U 15 bay non-hot-swap) - good price, but it is awful to swap HDDs or fans
* Rosewill RSV-L4412U (4U 12 bay hot swap) - good, quiet, but I feel it is overpriced for just 12 bays
* SilverStone RM43-320-RS (4U 20 bay hot swap) - good but significantly louder than Rosewill cases

Based on pictures and specs I am expecting the ZhenLoong to be very similar in features and performance to the SilverStone, but with the obvious advantage of being half the price and having 4 more drive bays in the same rack height. And it looks like I'll have to find sliding rails for it. So a bit more than half price.

ZhenLoong Chassis Review

I've had the case for about a week. It is the cheapest model with the SFF-8087 (6 Gbps) non-expander backplane.

It is not great but it gets the job done.

Quality Issues

Similar to what user randalldeflagg said about his in a post below, I had some issues with hot swappable components not aligning well.

One of the hot swap fans would not slot back in properly due to its power connector not quite lining up with the pins on the PCB it slots onto. Just mashing the fan down into its slot would cause at least one of the power or speed control pins to bend out of the way. I had to file down some of the plastic on the fan's power connector to make it fit better.

Here's the part I had to file off. This picture is from a generic stock photo I found online, but the fans in the case used the same connector.

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This seems to be a case of sloppy part selection on ZhenLoong's end. The socket on the PCB that this slotted into had a plastic fin sticking up that tried to occupy the same space as this plastic guide. I'm not really sure why this wasn't an issue on the other two fans. Anyway, it was fairly easy to fix.

The other issue was with the backplane alignment. The backplane is split into two independent and seemingly identical sections (each connecting 12 drives). The top backplane was fine. The bottom backplane was slightly misaligned making it very difficult to seat all the hard drives in properly. My fix was basically the same as randalldeflagg's fix; install some drives in the corners and then loosen all the screws of the backplane to allow it to align properly to the correct position, then tighten the screws again. It is tight working in there with the fan mounting bracket so you either need to remove that or use a very short phillips screwdriver. I ended up using a phillips bit with a socket wrench.

As a minor gripe, the lid of the chassis mounts with 4 screws. A toolless design this is not.

Fan Noise

The noise level is very low, easily drowned out by the SilverStone RM43-320-RS chassis I have below it. These seem to be very quiet fans and I have not heard them ramp up (but they do spin at least).

HDD Temperatures

Due to the dense packing of hard drives and quiet fans, the HDD temperatures are a little higher than I'm used to seeing. All 24 of my hard drives are WD Ultrastar DC HC530 14TB SATA 6G 3.5" 7200RPM Enterprise HDD - WUH721414ALE604. All installed so there are no empty bays. Running more or less idle in TrueNAS, and all spinning 24/7. The temperatures range from 41°C to 48°C, averaging 45.6°C. This is in a basement room at decently cool room temperature. 5°C to 60°C is the rated temperature range for these drives so I am not really worried and I am sure I could figure out a way to increase airflow if I was worried.

For comparison, another chassis in the same rack, a Rosewill RSV-L4412U (4U 12 bays, fully utilized with 6TB drives) also running TrueNAS with drives spinning 24/7, is averaging 36°C with similar low noise levels. That is nearly 10°C cooler. This is understandable as the Rosewill chassis only fits half as many drives in the same space, and the drives are also different with lower RPMs and lower capacity. I'd expect lower temperatures.

For another point of comparison, the SilverStone RM43-320-RS chassis also in the same rack (4U 20 bays, only half populated with a mix of 8-14 TB disks), is much louder and has an average disk temperature of 33.6C running unraid with the disks spinning.

HDD Trays

It came with 25 HDD trays (one spare) and none arrived broken. However they are all made of conductive metal. I really don't want any drives shorting out so when I install drives in metal trays I cover the drive's PCB with kapton tape. I did that here.

Rackmounting Rails

The seller was unable to advise about sliding rails, but the package included a set of non-sliding rails which I did not use. I had a Rosewill RSV-R28LX sliding rail kit (at least I think that was the model number; it was one of Rosewill's kits for sure) available and it fit well enough. It does not quite let the case extend completely out of my rack and there's about a 1cm gap keeping the case from sliding all the way into my rack, but it was the best I could do with this kit and it is "close enough". Since I don't have another chassis immediately above this one, I can still get the lid off and swap PCIe cards and whatnot.

Final Thoughts

It isn't a perfect case, but it is priced well and I would buy it again, at least until something better comes along.
 
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mattventura

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If you're going to spend that much on a 4U rackmount chassis, why not just get a Supermicro 846 off eBay? Quality will be quite a lot higher.
I most agree, but it's a lot easier to do a quiet build in these, due to having 120mm main fans and no 40mm PSU fans. You also have to find a power distributor with PCIe power connectors if you want to throw a GPU in.

I also checked the current ebay prices of 846s, they aren't that cheap anymore.
 

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alternatively you can always look for 4u supermicro on ebay.
There are plenty for decent enough prices

here's one of the most popular ones.
 

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alternatively you can always look for 4u supermicro on ebay.
There are plenty for decent enough prices

here's one of the most popular ones.
Serious question. Was that example ebay listing supposed to be satirical? High price, no HDD trays, 14 year old dual socket (power hog) of a server in it, 3 Gbps SAS-1 backplane that appears to operate off just one mini SAS connector. So if I am not mistaken that is 12 Gbps of theoretical bandwidth to split across 24 HDDs. Not to mention the screaming noises it would make until the fans and power supplies were replaced. Do people actually buy these things to put in their homes?
 

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Was that example ebay listing supposed to be satirical?
Its price is result for being one of the most sought for cases - as it has space for multiple full sized consumer grade gpu's - and if you are into it you can manage to put in normal psu as well (but will require a little bit of metal cutting - if not there are quiet psu versions, but you may need to get different power distribution board to support multiple dual 8pin gpu's.)
You would typically throw out or resell the mobo and parts including psu's and fans. (replace fans with noctua ones)

Here's one with sas3 backplane
 

mattventura

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Serious question. Was that example ebay listing supposed to be satirical? High price, no HDD trays, 14 year old dual socket (power hog) of a server in it, 3 Gbps SAS-1 backplane that appears to operate off just one mini SAS connector. So if I am not mistaken that is 12 Gbps of theoretical bandwidth to split across 24 HDDs. Not to mention the screaming noises it would make until the fans and power supplies were replaced. Do people actually buy these things to put in their homes?
The backplane actually has 3 6gb/s connectors (4-lanes each), same as the $578 option.

But yeah, not the best example of a listing, I'd at least go for something with DDR4 so that you can still use the memory in something relatively recent. The 847s are much cheaper and commonly available and are easier to get newer backplanes for (for the 12 rear drives as well as the two extra boot drives), but you can't use full-height expansion cards unfortunately. But that listing does come with 900W PSUs, which would cost at least something to add to a build from scratch.

I understand why 846s are popular, but my personal gripe with them is that SMC seems to have abandoned that style of 2x rear drive cage (so no U.2 option) and the U.2 backplanes for the front 24 bays are hard to find and expensive. If you want full-height GPUs + NVMe in a standard EATX chassis and are willing to sacrifice some drive bays, you can find the NVMe backplane for the 745 or 747 for reasonable prices.
 
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I have one of these sitting empty in my basement right now. Its the SFF-8643 non-expander version I got it before I found a 846 local for dirt cheap.

I have a couple of issues with the case:

  • No idea what rails fit this thing. Of the 4 generic sets I have, none lined up correctly. Could drill out new mount points.
  • The hot swap mid plane fans. I had to disassemble it completely and reassemble due to the original being assembled wrong it would have caused a short
  • The bays themselves for the drives. Some going smoothly, others do not. the right side I had to do a bit of percussive maintenance to get all the trays to insert after populating with drives. kinda odd.
  • The backplanes were out of alignment. They are split in two for the non expander version. So realigning was pretty simple. Took 4 dead drives, loaded them into the trays and then inserted them in the corner locations for each plane. Loosened the screws on the plane and then slid each drive fully in until I was able to square up. Locked them down, and repeated for the second one. If you are not paying attention and try to force in, could break off the connectors on the drives or backplane
Other than those issues, the case is very solid. Very little flex, more than enough standoffs for any configuration as well as screws. The toolless trays work perfectly. The label area on the tray handles looks about the same size as a HP LFF drive tray label. I didn't actually check this, I have found label generator that would probably work and look good. Lots of space to work with in. I did replace the stock 120mm fan wall with 140mm fans I printed a frame for. My final $.02? Get the expander version and run fewer cables.
 

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Its price is result for being one of the most sought for cases - as it has space for multiple full sized consumer grade gpu's - and if you are into it you can manage to put in normal psu as well (but will require a little bit of metal cutting - if not there are quiet psu versions, but you may need to get different power distribution board to support multiple dual 8pin gpu's.)
You would typically throw out or resell the mobo and parts including psu's and fans. (replace fans with noctua ones)

Here's one with sas3 backplane
If your goal is to reduce noise with larger quieter fans, have plenty of room for multiple GPU’s and tall tower coolers why not build your server in the $130 Phantex Enthoo Pro 2 case (or server edition)? These cases have great air flow, accommodate SM extended ATX mobos, and provide lots of drive bays. What advantage does a 4u have other than rack mounting?
 

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Phantex Enthoo Pro 2
Where are those drive bays you speak off, are they hot swap? Or do i have to take front panel out to get to them?
As I see it not enough space for large amount of 3.5" disks, no potential to put in backplane, and not even 5.25" slots to put in standard backplanes. Cases as such are for kids trading looks for functionality, or people who are looking to have just single system in living space room - this isn't a case that is meant to do a lot of work - its a case that is meant to look good.

(it looks like the case only offers disk 12x bays for 3.5", and 3x 2.5" bays, its a lot but also not that much; Where as sc case can take 24x 3.5" (or 2.5"), comes with backplane (hotswap), you don't need to take it out from rack to replace or insert disks. Where as that phantex case you will either have it in living space - and open the side panel, unplug cables to the disk to take it out - or if you rack it ... you will need to disconnect all cables -power off- to just open the side window to replace, remove or insert a disk.)
 
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Where are those drive bays you speak off, are they hot swap? Or do i have to take front panel out to get to them?
As I see it not enough space for large amount of 3.5" disks, no potential to put in backplane, and not even 5.25" slots to put in standard backplanes. Cases as such are for kids trading looks for functionality, or people who are looking to have just single system in living space room - this isn't a case that is meant to do a lot of work - its a case that is meant to look good.

(it looks like the case only offers disk 12x bays for 3.5", and 3x 2.5" bays, its a lot but also not that much; Where as sc case can take 24x 3.5" (or 2.5"), comes with backplane (hotswap), you don't need to take it out from rack to replace or insert disks. Where as that phantex case you will either have it in living space - and open the side panel, unplug cables to the disk to take it out - or if you rack it ... you will need to disconnect all cables -power off- to just open the side window to replace, remove or insert a disk.)
I am using both the Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 and the Phantex Enthoo Pro 2 Server Edition (got a deal for several of these for $130). You can install 10 drives (2.5 or 3.5) in the case with 3 SSD slots in the back. This is more than enough storage for my use case especially considering I have multiple nodes in a cluster each with their own storage. There is an optional 5.25 inch bay that can be installed but that will take away 2 drive slots (I don't use this) and you can install 2 power supplies. No hot swap, which is not important for my use case that involves a small research cluster for scientific computing among a small group of researchers (taking a hit on uptime will not upset business operations or a large group of users). I can add or replace a drive in 15-30 minutes.

The keys for me with these Phanteks cases (I tested several) were that they allowed me to build powerful research cluster for scientific computing in my office while maintaining good temperatures and minimizing noise:
  1. I can fit large Notcua tower coolers (NH-U14S) that are very good at keeping CPU temperatures in check even with high TDP Epyc processors (e.g. 7f52) without loud server fans (happy to share testing details on this).
  2. I can install quiet Noctua 1500 rpm fans (server edition lets you get these closer to the board) providing aqequate airflow across the board for most Epyc Rome CPU's (my VRM temps are less than 70C with dual 7f52 at full load). Note dual 48+ core Rome CPU's may require some aditional features to keep VRM temperatures in check at max cpu load (lots of posts on this on STH).
  3. These Phantek cases have all of the right standoffs for dual socket extended H11DSi mobos.
  4. I can utilize all of the benifits high performance server technology (EPYC processors, ECC memory, lots of PCIe lanes, etc.) without spending what I think is too much per month on the cloud while actually learning how to work with and directly customize hardware for my use case.
  5. I can build multiple quiet compute nodes at $130-150 per case for each node. That is a big savings relative to $500-$1000 for a 4U-5U chassis if you need multiple nodes.
I don't think I could have reached my objective with $500 4U's (or more expensize 5U's). I don't do virtualization for my use case but if I did I think I still would use Phantex cases unless I absolutely needed more than 10 + 3 drives and/or hot swaping.

Finally, my son thinks the Phantex cases are ugly and refused to use one for hs gaming rig;)
 

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No hot swap, which is not important for my use case that involves a small research cluster for scientific computing among a small group of researchers (taking a hit on uptime will not upset business operations or a large group of users). I can add or replace a drive in 15-30 minutes.
To each their own.

I prefer not to unrack a system to just play with disks.
If you build it well with proper static pressure oriented fans pull push config - it will keep cool just about anything.
In my case i had dual e5-2690v4's with 4xV100 and 24x 8TB SAS HDD's (zfs) for 24x7x365 60-100% utilization - and kept it cool - right now after i scrapped the v4's, and v100's, it works as jbod for disks, and gpu backplane over 4x SFF-8654 (8 gpu's, and 24 disks).
 

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I have one of these sitting empty in my basement right now. Its the SFF-8643 non-expander version I got it before I found a 846 local for dirt cheap.
  • No idea what rails fit this thing. Of the 4 generic sets I have, none lined up correctly. Could drill out new mount points.
Get the 4U Supermicro rails. You can search for that part number on eBay for used, but I buy new...it's worth it to guarantee you get all the parts.
 

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I am using both the Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 and the Phantex Enthoo Pro 2 Server Edition (got a deal for several of these for $130). You can install 10 drives (2.5 or 3.5) in the case with 3 SSD slots in the back. This is more than enough storage for my use case especially considering I have multiple nodes in a cluster each with their own storage.
For me, it's worth the extra $100 for something like this Supermicro chassis. Having redundant hot swap power supplies (with cheap spares readily available), hot swap fans, and hot swap disks means I don't have to shut down for much of anything. I can also upgrade the backplane, power distributer, etc., since the basic design of the cases have been the same for nearly 15 years.

I have exactly that case for each of my 3x ESXi hosts, with 12x 8TB drives, plus 2x 400GB SATA in the rear hotswap (about $50 extra, but easy to find separately). I can easily add 2-6 NVMe drives on PCIe cards.

One difference is I bought mine before you could find them used everywhere...I paid about $800 each (chassis only) over 10 years ago. At less than $300 today, they are a steal.
 

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For me, it's worth the extra $100 for something like this Supermicro chassis. Having redundant hot swap power supplies (with cheap spares readily available), hot swap fans, and hot swap disks means I don't have to shut down for much of anything. I can also upgrade the backplane, power distributer, etc., since the basic design of the cases have been the same for nearly 15 years.

I have exactly that case for each of my 3x ESXi hosts, with 12x 8TB drives, plus 2x 400GB SATA in the rear hotswap (about $50 extra, but easy to find separately). I can easily add 2-6 NVMe drives on PCIe cards.

One difference is I bought mine before you could find them used everywhere...I paid about $800 each (chassis only) over 10 years ago. At less than $300 today, they are a steal.
I would love to do hot swapping and/or use a rackable chassis. A 4U chassis with H11dsi and 7f52 epycs (or 48+ core Epyc CPUs) would require fans that are too loud for me (let me know if I am off here). I require 8 to 10 nodes for distributed MPI calculations so enclosure cost is important. My wish is to find a good 5U chassis under $200 so I can use tall tower coolers. I have had no luck with this chassis hunt.
 

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You can always do water cooling; and as mentioned one can replace fans, and do plenty of mods to this chassis to keep it quiet.
 
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5U chassis are rare and are usually for custom MB.

any chassis larger than 4U is extremly expensive. you might rey ebay to see if there are any deals...

Chris
 
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