18TB HGST Ultrastar 550 $328

zack$

Well-Known Member
Aug 16, 2018
613
253
63
Bought and returned some ssds from OWC.

The drives were packed very well. Their return policy was a breeze as well (a drive showed errors in the burn-in process).

I would buy again from them in a heart beat.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Samir and Almighty

josh

Active Member
Oct 21, 2013
561
164
43
Bought and returned some ssds from OWC.

The drives were packed very well. Their return policy was a breeze as well (a drive showed errors in the burn-in process).

I would buy again from them in a heart beat.
Would they survive being shipped to a forwarder?

It's a toss up between these or the Elements for $300
 
  • Like
Reactions: Samir

itronin

Well-Known Member
Nov 24, 2018
742
428
63
Denver, Colorado
Nice! may be in for a few. This price does not surprise me though since BB BF deal is 299 for the 18tb easystores. But I'll trade 27.00/drive for not having to shuck and a 5 year warranty on the bare drive!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Samir and Almighty

zack$

Well-Known Member
Aug 16, 2018
613
253
63
Would they survive being shipped to a forwarder?

It's a toss up between these or the Elements for $300
I believe they would. These guys, in my experience, pack really well with the double boxes, air bags and cut-out red foam so the drives are snug and safe.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Samir and josh

josh

Active Member
Oct 21, 2013
561
164
43
Nice! may be in for a few. This price does not surprise me though since BB BF deal is 299 for the 18tb easystores. But I'll trade 27.00/drive for not having to shuck and a 5 year warranty on the bare drive!
But the difference could buy you an entire cold spare. I think I'll grab 6 + 1 elements as cold spare.
 

josh

Active Member
Oct 21, 2013
561
164
43
I believe they would. These guys, in my experience, pack really well with the double boxes, air bags and cut-out red foam so the drives are snug and safe.
From your experience do they like to combine shipments or can I order 6 drives separately and expect each of them to be well foamed?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Samir

zack$

Well-Known Member
Aug 16, 2018
613
253
63
From your experience do they like to combine shipments or can I order 6 drives separately and expect each of them to be well foamed?
I bought one day apart and they did not consolidate. This leads me to think that they ship per invoice.

I would also expect the drives to be well foamed regardless of how you order them in quantity.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Samir

Samir

Well-Known Member
Jul 21, 2017
1,856
670
113
46
Ime, owc is a solid company--bought some ram from them quite a number of years ago, but they seem to be the same company as they were back then.
But the difference could buy you an entire cold spare. I think I'll grab 6 + 1 elements as cold spare.
But to get a true enterprise drive with the 5yr warranty is the real deal--I personally only get enterprise drives like this and this price is a steal for what you are getting. Makes me even wonder how they're able to do it.
 

josh

Active Member
Oct 21, 2013
561
164
43
Ime, owc is a solid company--bought some ram from them quite a number of years ago, but they seem to be the same company as they were back then.
But to get a true enterprise drive with the 5yr warranty is the real deal--I personally only get enterprise drives like this and this price is a steal for what you are getting. Makes me even wonder how they're able to do it.
Yep. I need a cold spare though. Not sure if it's worth paying for 5 years of warranty if it's going to be sitting in the cupboard for 2-3 of it. Any thoughts?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Samir

Samir

Well-Known Member
Jul 21, 2017
1,856
670
113
46
Yep. I need a cold spare though. Not sure if it's worth paying for 5 years of warranty if it's going to be sitting in the cupboard for 2-3 of it. Any thoughts?
I wouldn't let a drive sit that long--I would rotate one of the other drives out each year, but that would be a stress on the array if you're rebuilding that often. Personally, I stopped using raid in the 1990s and only work with 1 or 1+0 today--bit rot and rebuild issues with raid5/6 have me off raid until I can move to zfs to try it again.

Honestly, it's worth the extra for these enterprise drives as you're essentially getting 2x the guaranteed life via the warranty.
 

Stephan

Active Member
Apr 21, 2017
259
134
43
Germany
Unless you like nasty surprises, or it doesn't matter if your data are gone or not, do not let SSDs or HDDs sit in the cupboard for years. Instead, fully use all devices in a RAID and let the OS check SMART and checksums (e.g. ZFS or ext4 metadata) regularly. For example I run ZFS scrub on all zpools once a month. On Linux use smartd to get notified of suspicious health values right away.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Patrick and Samir

josh

Active Member
Oct 21, 2013
561
164
43
Unless you like nasty surprises, or it doesn't matter if your data are gone or not, do not let SSDs or HDDs sit in the cupboard for years. Instead, fully use all devices in a RAID and let the OS check SMART and checksums (e.g. ZFS or ext4 metadata) regularly. For example I run ZFS scrub on all zpools once a month. On Linux use smartd to get notified of suspicious health values right away.
I wouldn't let a drive sit that long--I would rotate one of the other drives out each year, but that would be a stress on the array if you're rebuilding that often. Personally, I stopped using raid in the 1990s and only work with 1 or 1+0 today--bit rot and rebuild issues with raid5/6 have me off raid until I can move to zfs to try it again.

Honestly, it's worth the extra for these enterprise drives as you're essentially getting 2x the guaranteed life via the warranty.
Is there some research on this? It's not fine to leave unused drives in cupboard until needed?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Samir

Sacrilego

Member
Jun 23, 2016
36
22
8
46
Is there some research on this? It's not fine to leave unused drives in cupboard until needed?
I usually do leave various spares on hand at work in case they're needed, but only after verifying the drives are healthy and never beyond their warrantied date. They usually get used before that happens though.

Personal unscientific experience for me at home though:
I have a moderate number of drives that sat undisturbed in a cabinet for about 6 or 7 years. I started recycling them and ran into several that no longer worked properly. Some SCSI drives needed a small nudge for them to start spinning, some outright just didn't spin while some SATA/IDE drives sounded very rough. Seems most of the issues encountered was related to the motor. All of these were in working condition when they were stored.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Samir

Samir

Well-Known Member
Jul 21, 2017
1,856
670
113
46
Is there some research on this? It's not fine to leave unused drives in cupboard until needed?
I don't know of a source of definitive research, but ime the drives I've had problems with were the ones I loaded up with stuff and didn't use frequently or stored. The ones that ran 24x7 have been less troublesome.
 

josh

Active Member
Oct 21, 2013
561
164
43
I don't know of a source of definitive research, but ime the drives I've had problems with were the ones I loaded up with stuff and didn't use frequently or stored. The ones that ran 24x7 have been less troublesome.
But does it matter if I don't really care about the data until I plug them in?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Samir