12gen N-series Nas motherboard (topton, cwwk, ... )
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I have today recived my BKHD N100 board with 16GB of ram but i have some big problems, i transplanted all my drives, power supply and unraid usb to this new board. On first boot all seeme work just fine but when drives want to spun down system freezes, i have try in bios disable under sata controller some agressive power meneagment setting but that did not help, i dont know if maybe power supply from 2008 is problem, but on my old amd system from same year all was ok and i did manage to use unraid just fine.
Power consumption with 10 dockers and 1 sata ssd and 4 hdds plus 2 120mm fans and one 80mm fan was 52W. I donk know how much system uses when drives dont spin since system like i say freez when drives want to spin down.
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So in my system i have 1 8TB parity, 2 4TB data and one additional 3TB data drive, and all drives exept that 3TB can spindown without unraid freezes, but when i try to spindown this 3TB then i have problems
Power consumption with 10 dockers and 1 sata ssd and 4 hdds plus 2 120mm fans and one 80mm fan was 52W. I donk know how much system uses when drives dont spin since system like i say freez when drives want to spin down.
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So in my system i have 1 8TB parity, 2 4TB data and one additional 3TB data drive, and all drives exept that 3TB can spindown without unraid freezes, but when i try to spindown this 3TB then i have problems
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Saw the DC version today and as this is the cheapest version of the n305 boards, am very interested in this. I also like the idea of 12VDC only for the board, as these power supplies often tend to be quite efficient. But I'm unsure about what power supply to use. I would like to use one by an known manufacturer like Meanwell. As the Board not only accepts barrel jacks but also a P4-Connector, has someone tried using this to power your system?
The board has multiple options for powering drives, there are two P4-Connectors and two 4 Pin Floppy Connectors as far as I have researched.
Also, has someone bought the DC-Version yet and can give us information about included adapter cables, if there are any included?
The board has multiple options for powering drives, there are two P4-Connectors and two 4 Pin Floppy Connectors as far as I have researched.
Also, has someone bought the DC-Version yet and can give us information about included adapter cables, if there are any included?
Hey everyone. I have am using one an N100 from toptron for my opnsense firewall. I now want to build a separate NAS and VM machine for my homelab.
Since the N100 worked out so well, I was reading this thread with interest building an N305 system that would use proxmox as the base OS. I plan to have 4 x SATA HDDs in a raidz1. On top of nas shares, I want to run HA OS, piped instance, jelly fin server, bittorrent and maybe a few more thing in the future.
But giving the price of $370CAD for the N305, I can get an MSI Tomahawk B550 mobo with 6 SATA and 2.5gbps ethernet with a Ryzen 5600G for the same price. I also buy them locally which is a major win over importing from china.
Obivously, I would lose the advantage of the ITX form factor and using an a compact case. The N305 is 8/8 CPU and the Ryzen would be 6/12. I am not sure how the power consumption on these two would compare. I am sure the N305 will be less, but it is also probably less powerful overall.
What advantages of these NAS based N305 mobos would I miss out on if I go the AM4 route?
Since the N100 worked out so well, I was reading this thread with interest building an N305 system that would use proxmox as the base OS. I plan to have 4 x SATA HDDs in a raidz1. On top of nas shares, I want to run HA OS, piped instance, jelly fin server, bittorrent and maybe a few more thing in the future.
But giving the price of $370CAD for the N305, I can get an MSI Tomahawk B550 mobo with 6 SATA and 2.5gbps ethernet with a Ryzen 5600G for the same price. I also buy them locally which is a major win over importing from china.
Obivously, I would lose the advantage of the ITX form factor and using an a compact case. The N305 is 8/8 CPU and the Ryzen would be 6/12. I am not sure how the power consumption on these two would compare. I am sure the N305 will be less, but it is also probably less powerful overall.
What advantages of these NAS based N305 mobos would I miss out on if I go the AM4 route?
Hi friend, I have thought long and hard about different NAS build scenarios including using this board for the past few weeks. I arrived to the same conclusion, an AM4 build is much cheaper for this purpose than ordering a topton/cwwk/bkhd board. AM4 also supports ECC, if you are interested in that.
Question for you all, does anyone know the difference between the CWWK N100 (CWWK N100/i3-N305 six-bay NAS monster board/4x 2.5G/6x SATA3.0/2x M.2 NVMe/115X radiator ITX board type motherboard) which has a black motherboard and not heatsink/fan and the Topton N100 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005347552418.html) which is green and has a heatsink+fan?
Zooming on the Topton picture you can see it's a BKHD-1264 (see BKHD-1264-NAS).The black motherboards seem to have the RAM and M.2 on the back of the motherboard. The black motherboard also seems to be more expensive: 180 USD for the black vs 137 USD for the green.
Looking to buy one of these, but not sure which one...
Thanks!
Zooming on the Topton picture you can see it's a BKHD-1264 (see BKHD-1264-NAS).
Looking to buy one of these, but not sure which one...
Thanks!
On my BKHD N100 board in bios i cant find anything about c-states (this is my first intel system), acording to powertop i only can go to C3, and i have found out that i cant get board to wake from sleep. I can send system to sleep using s3 unraid plugin and i can send wol signal and wake system but internal usb after that dont power on its led for activity and i cant access webui, sending wol when server is shut down works just fine
I'm in the same situation as you.
There is a difference in money of $40-50.
I have been looking at the differences between the two motherboards. I think that the black cwwk has better quality, you can control both fans (cpu and sys fan) from the bios and you can play with the change of the cpu fan.
Any other difference? I don't know, I'm reading about it.
I dont know why if i plug in my lsi x8 hba into x1 pcie then i can power down all hdds but when i unplug hba then i cant power down one of my drives (3tb wd green) to be precise. And just to be clear drives are connect to board not to the hba when hba is plug in
There's even _two_ black N100 motherboard out there:
- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006499303088.html: Has a heat sink and fan, two SATA connection + SFF-8643 connector (requires an extra adapter cable to get 4 SATA connection). The memory slot is _underneath_ the board, as well as the two M.2 slots.
- https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006293974977.html: Has a copper block (no heat sink or fan: vendor has option for fans), six SATA connection. Has a USB type C connection near the ethernet connections.
Hello world,
I just registered to this forum, as I found this thread about the Intel n305 NAS Motherboards out there.
Last week my n305 NAS board arrived (I am in Germany), I did order the DC Version with the backside installed RAM and SSDs.
Some findings I can share here as of now:
- powertop shows me C10 state to a high percentage, besides that available states are C8, C6 and C1E.
- Loading one CPU it clocks up to 3.8Ghz as advertised, loading all 8 cores, they reach a max of 3Ghz.
- The small connector next to the SATA Ports, advertised as 2,5/3,5" power connector are no standard Floppy or SATA power connectors. The two 4pin ATX connectors though might be the same as here:
Will order one of them and test out.
- I am running my system with one stick of 48GB Crucial DDR5 and it works well so far.
- Have one Intel Optane with 118GB, currently holding my Proxmox installation and one more 1TB Viper SSD.
Idle power draw is 15W (powered by this DC adapter: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0B59519YG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details )
Honestly, I was hoping for less idle power consumption, more down to 10W.
- Running sysbench on all CPU cores, power consumption goes up to ~42W
- I want to test the same setup with a 150W ATX Power Supply I have still around using the internal 12V ATX connector that is located right behind the DC jack.
Let me know, if anyone is interested in getting more details from this board.
I just registered to this forum, as I found this thread about the Intel n305 NAS Motherboards out there.
Last week my n305 NAS board arrived (I am in Germany), I did order the DC Version with the backside installed RAM and SSDs.
Some findings I can share here as of now:
- powertop shows me C10 state to a high percentage, besides that available states are C8, C6 and C1E.
- Loading one CPU it clocks up to 3.8Ghz as advertised, loading all 8 cores, they reach a max of 3Ghz.
- The small connector next to the SATA Ports, advertised as 2,5/3,5" power connector are no standard Floppy or SATA power connectors. The two 4pin ATX connectors though might be the same as here:
Will order one of them and test out.
- I am running my system with one stick of 48GB Crucial DDR5 and it works well so far.
- Have one Intel Optane with 118GB, currently holding my Proxmox installation and one more 1TB Viper SSD.
Idle power draw is 15W (powered by this DC adapter: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0B59519YG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details )
Honestly, I was hoping for less idle power consumption, more down to 10W.
- Running sysbench on all CPU cores, power consumption goes up to ~42W
- I want to test the same setup with a 150W ATX Power Supply I have still around using the internal 12V ATX connector that is located right behind the DC jack.
Let me know, if anyone is interested in getting more details from this board.
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Yes please! Let us know how reliable the board is.There's a bunch of bad experiences floating around, but it's difficult to judge the reliability if only bad experiences get posted. I'm interested in stability and thermal information. What kind of case are you using? I'm surprised to see you get deep sleep (>C8) even with the JMB585 on that board. Did you connect any drive to the SATA connectors and checked the power usage?
On Unraid, PowerTop also shows about 80% C10 for the cores. But somehow I doubt that this value is correct, especially as package C-states seem to be completely disabled (0% for all).
CWWK has a new Ryzen based NAS board listed on Aliexpress and Taobao, but it's not on their own site yet. I'm thinking about ordering one of these but slightly hesitant based on the mixed experiences with the Intel boards here.
The package states are the important ones and all of those chinese N100/300 boards use an JMB585 which is why package state will be stuck at C3 at maximum
The AMD board is interesting as it uses both an ASM1164 and ASM1166 for the SATA ports. If it just wasn't for AMDs notoriously bad video encoder. Pretty soon, Intel's Meteor Lake platform is going to be available and it's coming for desktop too. There's a few mini PCs already announced and they might also be available on presoldered mainboards.
On the BKHD 1264 board does anyone know how to access the more detailed PCIE configuration bios settings? There doesn't seem to be any way to access them in the bios. I also tried the AMI hidden settings keys - alt-f1/shift-f1/ctrl-f1 but that didn't seem to do anything.
The issue I'm trying to address is the JMB58x chip is set to pcie 2 speeds - 5GT/s x 1 lane. 500MB/s shared between 5 SATA ports is pretty awful.
The issue I'm trying to address is the JMB58x chip is set to pcie 2 speeds - 5GT/s x 1 lane. 500MB/s shared between 5 SATA ports is pretty awful.